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| Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce |
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44 | 21.36% |
| ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress |
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19 | 9.22% |
| Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin |
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9 | 4.37% |
| Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit |
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8 | 3.88% |
| Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died |
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24 | 11.65% |
| Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread |
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17 | 8.25% |
| ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter |
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15 | 7.28% |
| ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming |
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2 | 0.97% |
| Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy |
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10 | 4.85% |
| ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union |
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| ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die |
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 Well here we are again, not even a full two years in and we are already pissed off beyond measure. All thanks to these Fanny Bawbags.    We are looking at a massive, massive loving mess made by racists, idiots and right-wingers who had no idea what the gently caress they were doing. Now as a result right-wing nationalism in the rest of the UK is on the rise and they are showing their discontent towards anything pro-european which is really worrying for many in the Island. Markets are having a seizure and no one is interested in investing in the UK as of right now at this moment in time. Places which relyed heavily on EU Subsidies voted Leave and are now paying the price of their actions as they realise they just lost all that money that they were sent for a reason. People are regreting their decision and even went and signed a petition to have another EU referendum in the UK parliament website. But alas it won't count for much now that the damage has started and won't be stopping for sometime. So where does Scotland stand in all of this? Well... Polls indicate that thanks to the result. People are pissed and that Pro-EU No Voters are quickly changing their stance to Yes as a result and it's not hard to see why. https://twitter.com/UK_Together/status/506899714923843584 Amongst other things that convinced no Voters was the Currency question which the pound is now taking the biggest pounding of it's lifetime. The Economy was another thing and now this result has pretty much made the Economy most likely fall back into the shitter. Three major questions that have convinced no voters have now been crushed into dust in the wake of this mess. Not only that but we are also possibly going to be dealing with a major brain-drain which Scotland really dosen't need at this moment in time. Polls coming around favour Scottish Indepedence between 52% at the lowest to 65% at the highest. It might increase depending on party stances regarding this issue. Emotions are high at the moment and things are very uncertain for the UK as a whole. Another issue is that devolved parliaments have the right to veto the exit of the EU which would put many leave supporters into most likely causing riots and while it's still needs to be clairfied, that Westminister can disregard what the Parliaments think (Which is most likely going to lead to The Troubles levels of poo poo again.) and still go ahead with Brexit. The Scottish Sectuary has comfirmed that Scotland is entitled to another Referendum and Nicola Sturgeon has already made claim that it's very likely. This will possibly be the last choice it will make regarding the UK and the EU for a long, long time. Current Scottish Parliament party stances Scottish National Party's Current Mood  I don't think we need an in-depth description on what's going on for them. The SNP are pretty much at a point where they are the most justified and reasonable of the UK parties which is really ironic to the point that people are just bewildered on how a Party that is now going to get a second indepedence referendum in breaking up the union is the most reasonable of the lot. Tories have pretty much shat the bed and Labour are having their shitfest as well so it's pretty much the SNP who are coming out as reasonable towards Pro-EU Brits and EU nationals. And all they had to do was do nothing. Scottish Labour's Current Mood  Right now I say they are still deciding on what they are doing. The Scottish Labour’s executive committee opened up the prospect of eventually endorsing independence after agreeing to check and consider the available options with Scotland in the UK. Kezia Dugdale has no doubt has stuff in her mind. She did say she would support another Indyref and possibly indepedence a while ago if Scotland were forced out of the EU by the rest of the UK which has just happened. No idea where she and Slabour stand at the moment so keep an eye out for this one as it depends on the unions, parliamentarians and members. Scottish Lib Dems Current Mood  Are in talks alongside the SNP in trying to keep Scotland in the EU but without resorting to Indepedence but it appears to be a moot point as the EU have stated they won't allow a country part of the UK to join the EU. Right now it's up in the air where they are going but it's expected for them to switch towards Yes for Indepedence if Scotland does join the EU without major problems as their voters and members base appears to be more for keeping the EU rather then the UK. This isn't entirely surprising considering Liberial Democrats are the most europhile of the parties right next to the SNP. The Scottish Lib Dems would do anything to resurge and this appears to be a great opportunity. Ruth Davidson Party's Current Mood  Ruth Davidson is not happy and she has every right to be. Things were going well for her and now the UK Tories have made such a mess that she is likely to split the Scottish Tory Party from the Main UK one if Boris is elected as UK Leader. She's for staying at the UK at this moment but that's because her core party is full of traditional rural people and stentch unionists. Though who knows what the opinion of farmers are going to feel when their EU subsidies are hosed as they are struggling already. Don't expect them to go Indy. Scottish Greens Current Mood  Pretty much in the same boat as the SNP in terms of supporting another Indy Ref and being Pro-EU. Not much to write up other then they are more reasonable then the SNP are in terms of supporting indepedence but right now I think they are just as pissed as everyone is. Parties not in Parliament that have made their stance RISE: Supporting a Indyref and Indepedence due to increasing anti-migrant racism and xenophobia as well as wanting to keep in Europe to try along with others to make it more democratic and anti-austerity. Important Figures that changed their stance - Feel free to mention anyone that's changed their mind. No to Yes
Yes to No Important Figures outside of Scotland Supportive
Too many to list at this moment in time FAQ 1. What the gently caress is going on?! Hell if I know. You're watching a Ex-Empire set itself alight with a ballot and pen. Pretty impressive I have to say so myself. 2. Would I be able to get Scottish Citizenship if it goes Indy? If you are living in Scotland as of right now till the end of the referendum (assuming it's a yes), you will automatically get Scottish citizenship as we are all UK citizens at this current moment in time. This was mentioned in the first Indyref in the White Paper and I don't see why it would change now. EU nationals I imagine would be the same if Scotland is joining the EU as they would still be considered UK citizens. We have no idea what it's going to be like for those outside the UK & EU though so keep an eye out for that. 3. Won't Spain Veto a Indy Scotland because of Catalonia? Ehh...maybe, they did mention that if it wasn't a legitmate referendum they would veto it but the last one was. But now I don't think it's going to happen. Spain are underway in a election in the 26th of June which is right now and it's likely possible that the Podemos could lead a majority coalition of the Left in Spain and kick the People's Party out who are conservative and were the ones to threaten veto (Update: Another loving deadlock; another loving election would soon come too). There is also the problem with the fishing that Spain does in the northern waters which would also be used against them. They have also said they want to have co-op soverignty with Gibraltar (And god knows what will happen if the UK refuses.) Podemos & the other parties would most likely be supportive from the looks of it. Honestly who knows at this point with Spain. Spain's trying to keep it's states together but I doubt they be stupid enough to burn a bridge if Scotland does go the independence way. I think it's mostly bluff talk to keep things as it is and Spain is no way going to give Catalonia a legit referendum. Plus if it's accuarte. Spain's sole veto is not enough to stop us from joining in the Article 50 Libson Treaty if they really felt they wanted to spite us for little reason. 4. Would the Referendum be stopped if Britain stop the progress with Brexit and the EU keeps them? God knows at this point and he's loving Kingsley  The damage has been done and will only increase from here as the EU and UK are still experincing the effect that this referendum has had. The general feeling is that Jean-Claude Juncker has stated they want the UK to activate Article 50 and the EU may be pissed enough that they won't have informal brexit talks with them until they activate Article 50 which is a one-way ticket out and no going back. Along with the infighting of the Tory and Labour party at this current time and the rising increase of xenophobia and racism. It will take a miracle to some how stop all this. (Update: All Tory candiates are behind Brexit so it's certain) Important Threads related to this nightmare. ScotPol - Previous Thread for Scottish Politics between the First and Second Referendum. The First Referendum Another Referendum thread after the first one was locked - Threads for the First Referendum. June UKMT - Less united then the Scotpol Thread. The EU Referendum reactions and responces UK-wide are here. RESERVED - For possible Northern Ireland Unification Referendum What not to do Don't link Wings over Scotland Articles - The man who writes them is toxic and disgusting. Look at the previous threads to see why. Don't start up No True Scotsman nonsense poo poo when referring to Posters - It's getting old and right now we don't need it. .P.S. You got two days to choose a thread title in the poll above.  The Calm before the Storm has ended and we are now in the Eye of the Cyclone. Extreme0 fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Nov 4, 2016 |
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Pissflaps posted:What poll? That poll.
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Jun 26, 2016 23:25
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Acaila posted:Was the other poll not 59/41? Other poll was 65 Y/35 N if we aren't including don't knows.
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Jun 27, 2016 00:09
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Tildryn posted:We're actually infiltrated by fishmen a la Innsmouth. Sounds Scottish enough to be true.
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Jun 27, 2016 02:20
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Coohoolin posted:You missed a trick by not calling it Scotpoll. I wrote this post for over 4-6 hours checking information and poo poo. I just wanted it done.
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Jun 27, 2016 03:31
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Blurred posted:Wtf? How can someone be for national self-determination and independence from a larger union in one case and then oppose it in another? Like, what reasons do they have for believing that Scotland should remain in the UK that don't conflict with their reasons for the UK leaving the EU? Apart from them just being vicious, self-interested dumb cunts of course? Because Irony is dead https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/747026741588332544?lang=en-gb https://twitter.com/DavidCoburnUKip/status/747018692349702144?lang=en-gb Sion posted:Preety sure that Pretty is spelled with two t's and one E, OP  fixed and updated.Baron Corbyn posted:My suggestion is currently leading the polling for thread title. Is that enough to get me Scottish citizenship should you go independent? You're smart so yes. ReagaNOMNOMicks posted:Don't they think meeting with representatives of a constituent nation of a larger sovereign country who hosed off to all hells is a dumb move politically? Not really. The SNP are fully justified in what's happened and the EU having talks with us is far more progress then Britain has done with the EU. tithin posted:I like this one Kind of late to the party I'm afraid.  they must be trying to keep things steady but the ship is already sinking and the lifeboats are appealing every minute.Coohoolin posted:Farage got all pissy and started bitching about how terrible and nasty and violent Scottish nationalism was and how we would all be fascists if we voted Yes and then someone threw an egg at Jim Murphy and it was just the worst thing to ever happen and the SNP should be ashamed of itself and never ever campaign for independence again. Nigy Farage is a wanted man in Scotland right now. Extreme0 fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Jun 27, 2016 |
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Jun 27, 2016 15:44
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 chuggo is BACK posted:it's also "undecided" op 
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Jun 27, 2016 17:12
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Gonzo McFee posted:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36639770?SThisFB& Is Gibraltar a nice place to go for a hoilday?
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Jun 27, 2016 18:13
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A Buttery Pastry posted:It has monkeys. Scottish Nationalism showing it's true racism. Shameful.
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Jun 27, 2016 18:19
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www posted:I thought David Cameron said something interesting today He's wrong. The EU have stated that isn't going to happen. It's either Scotland-EU or Scotland-UK.
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Jun 27, 2016 18:30
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I shall put the motion that Scotland should replace it's flag with a saltire made up of two middle fingers. You can even use your own middle fingers to make the flag. It's perfect.
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Jun 27, 2016 20:57
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Pissflaps posted:I don't think there's any chance Scotland would retain the UK's opt outs and rebate. To be honest what is there to opt-out and rebate now? The Pound? Pretty much hosed and may get hosed again. Schengen? It isn't the worst option on the table if the rest of the UK is refusing to go into a single trade market and help the movement of people. Already got people around Europe saying that they are pissed off about this as their friends, lovers and relatives are going to be a lot harder to get too. And we don't know if the UK would also have to take Schengen just to join the single market too. I mean that's the only two I can think of and I know there is a lot more but there is going to be a lot of things that I think are worth sacrificing just to keep in the EU.
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Jun 28, 2016 14:03
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Pissflaps posted:The rebate is the mechanism that sees the UK's financial contribution to the EU budget reduced by roughly 66%. Yea this is going to be another point too. I wonder if it's going to up by a few percentages or is outright just gone. This loving island has gone to poo poo. I did want Indepedence but I didn't want it to end up that we may need it like this 
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Jun 28, 2016 14:11
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baronvonsabre posted:Unfortunately, we're just going to have to wait and see what happens to the Pound. I suppose we could make our own currency and peg it to the Euro or Dollar. If you were to tell me in 2014 that we would peg our own currency to the euro or dollar then the pound I'd call you a moron. How times change.
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Jun 28, 2016 14:25
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Direct Democracy is a good thing...IF information wasn't beaten to death, that we have excellent education, that the media and the press doesn't lie and is punished for endorsing anything that is biased spun or made up and that our society is a equal. Naturally we don't have any of that and hence the result happended Pretty much proving direct Democracy isn't a good idea for now
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Jun 28, 2016 19:15
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Coohoolin posted:Ooh can we chat about what to call our new currency? Nvm independence is a bad idea.
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Jun 28, 2016 19:16
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Pissflaps posted:Your new currency still says sterling. Yea that's why I'm against it. No way we are going to have representation of a poo poo footballer and his team owned by Iceland.
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Jun 28, 2016 21:20
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Xerxes17 posted:Thread title suggestion: "It's just like one of my Scottish Sci-Fi's!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6zcir-IFdM
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Jun 28, 2016 23:30
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Niric posted:loving hell, Chewin' the Fat is even worse than I remembered. It's why I prefer Still Game.
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Jun 28, 2016 23:41
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https://twitter.com/Ross_Greer/status/747902570706907138?lang=en-gb https://twitter.com/GlasgowMurphy/status/747887748728623104 I am never dissapointed with Ross Greer.
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hookerbot 5000 posted:I know that's not going to happen but the thought of another 6 months of people screaming Liar! and Fearmongerer! at each other fills me with dread. I don't even know what both campaigns are going to be like. The No campaign right now are at a disadvantage thanks to this gently caress up and we don't even know who the hell is going to represent it again as Scottish Labour & Lib Dems are thinking and pondering where to go. UKIP will try and take a turn at but they are eejits and will just bulldoze support for it as an showing example by David Coburn himself. Oh god David Coburn being a part of the no campaign  I'm not sure I'm ready for such comedy.
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Jun 29, 2016 19:37
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Regarde Aduck posted:What's your agenda here Pissflaps? You agree that Brexit is a bad idea. Why are you now opposed to Scotland getting to remain in the EU? Do you truly believe they'd be better in this sinking ship? You seem keen that Scotland doesn't get away. This is much different that before when the UK was a strong working entity and it made little sense to break it up. Now it's broken anyway. We're going to lose our banks, our few industries and our service sector. We're done. What has Scotland got to lose by jumping ship? To make sure his Fanfiction isn't blown to pieces. LORD OF BOOTY posted:Some clarification is needed here, due to the subject matter: do you mean the logical fallacy, or has this thread had a problem with people accusing others of being fake Scotsmen? The latter. A user called Coohoolin has been called "Not scottish" because he wasn't born in Scotland and has moved here and identify himself as Scottish. It lead to nonstop circlejerking over accents/heritage and all sorts that went nowhere. EDIT: I'm going to have to make another GIF of pissflaps being thrown overboard by Scotpol if it goes at this rate.
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Jun 29, 2016 20:09
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Has anyone else come out and say their stance on the matter or is it likely they are not saying anything till article 50 is done?
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Jun 29, 2016 20:15
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https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/748153405089132544 Don't knows included would be Agree 61%, Disagree 39% Seems fairly right enough as it matches the results Scotland gave a few days ago. http://tvthek.orf.at/program/ZIB-2/1211/ZIB-2/13117502/Gespraech-mit-dem-schottischen-Politiker-Robertson/13117577 Apparently Germans are actually surprised in how Angus sounds more german then the presenter
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Jun 29, 2016 21:15
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jre posted:Wtf, Did he live in Germany ? He's remarkably fluent His mother is German so I Imagine that helped.
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Jun 29, 2016 21:37
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I really wish polling companies would ask why people poll the way they do. It loving help tons.dex_sda posted:Secessionism is not nationalism Don't bother trying to explain it to him. It never ends well. Extreme0 fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Jun 29, 2016 |
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Jun 29, 2016 21:52
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Coohoolin posted:Woah he speaks better German than me and I grew up speaking the language. Wait till Jedit comes out and tells us he was right about the SNP being Nazis.
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Jun 29, 2016 22:41
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Can't believe you are mocking the Scottish vocabulary Pissflaps. Should be ashamed of yourself.
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Jun 29, 2016 23:07
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Urgh. Why has there been no news so far on Important figures and the Scottish parties stances. I want juicy details. Most likely after Article 50 is triggered. Also juicy polling done with voting intention. quote:Changes from May vote: Lol Labour getting hosed again and the Greens taking a wave of support. Extreme0 fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Jun 30, 2016 |
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Jun 30, 2016 04:36
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PiCroft posted:Boris ain't running for PM. One bright spot in the dark. Yea and we get Theresa May instead. Maggie 2.0
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Jun 30, 2016 13:37
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Pissflaps posted:Unless an independent Scotland chose to mirror Brexit UK's immigration policy rather than have a hard border between the two. Which depends if the UK joins the EEA or not. Jedit posted:You've not been down the beach, then, where "POLES OUT" is scrawled on the walls faster than it can be scrubbed off. I didn't realise that Aberdeen and Aberdeenshire were home to more Nazi scum then I thought.
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Jun 30, 2016 22:18
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If all of Pages 6, 7, 8 , 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 is just laughing and making a mockery of Boris Johnson then I might have to buy the Daily Record for the first time.
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http://m.heraldscotland.com/news/14591154.Ex_Nasdaq_traders_bid_to_launch_new_stock_exchange_in_Scotland_by_2017/ Ex-Nasdaq traders bid to launch new stock exchange in Scotland by 2017 quote:Scotland could have its own stock exchange again by 2017, more than 40 years after the Glasgow stock exchange ceased trading
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Going to update the list again. Got some new entries like MEP David Martin, Former MSP Malcolm Chisholm and Kevin McKenna. But right now...the News! http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/video/commission-says-scotlands-eu-future-is-up-to-uk/ quote:An independent Scotland could be part of the EU after Brexit without re-applying for membership if London and Edinburgh were to agree, EU officials have said. https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/8725/barry-graham-peculiar-movement-yess-nos I don't seem to understand this mindset. If you voted Yes the last time when Scotland was going to have an issue with EU membership then why the gently caress are you voting No now unless you really hate the EU more then anything else. I mean I can understand why people don't like the EU but why did they vote Yes the last time when a majority of Scots would of wanted Scotland in the EU anyways? Is there hatred so far for the EU that they were willing to burn a bridge with the UK just to spite the EU? Makes no sense...  Also is this accuate? https://twitter.com/GrayInGlasgow/status/748800981844975618 Sion posted:I worked on GTA 4 and there are so many dumb, wee Scottish jokes in it. There's a Greek take out joint on one of the islands called Gyro Day. It's why I love the GTA Series. There is so many scottish references to things that I can get instantly that others have to look up. Acaila posted:Whiteness doesn't seem to stop it tbh. A friend of mine got told to gently caress off back to Poland, he presumes for the crime of glancing too long at the Polish section in Tesco. (and this was in Leith, not England) Agreed. My friend before the Referendum was asked if he was Polish or not and said no. The guy asked if he was Scottish which he was and then he just went in a gleeful laugh and smile while shakeing his hand. I didn't think much of it as the guy did seem drunk but now after the referendum. I'm actually worried this is going to be a mindset that needs to be sorted soon enough if it continues. I'm wondering if it's associated more with stench unionists or stench zoomers. It doesn't make much sense for the latter considering like everyone says the main target is Westminister and Tories which is very easy for everyone regardless of ethnic origin to agree on but I'm willing to believe there are nationalists who are both anti-EU and anti-UK that for some reason hate the polish? I don't know just dosen't sound right. I can understand it more from the likes of some rear end in a top hat Ranger fans and loyalists as they tend to target anyone I've noticed that isn't up to their standard plus kippers as well but Scottish separatists? I mean it's true in some regard that there will be a bunch of racists on both sides but i don't think they would be a big number in the Yes side let alone any side. Then again Racists don't tend to need reason to hate someone Jedit posted:Some good news as Martin Kitts-Hayes, the defector who handed Aberdeenshire Council to the SNP in exchange for the deputy leadership, is being sent before the Ethics tribunal after walking out on a conference in Denmark and using taxpayers money to fly home because he didn't like the hotel. Whether or not they do anything is to be seen, but at least the SNP voted to get rid of their useful idiot. 
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Jedit posted:Do you mean "staunch"? Not that the other word doesn't fit both parties, but still. I always thought it was stench for some reason. I never even questioned it till now.
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https://twitter.com/mjkeatings/status/748558601124450304 Anyways I can't find the article from that newspaper so take with a hint of salt. baronvonsabre posted:Slovak leader (Robert Fico, next EU president) promises help with velvet divorce Yea I think this is the narrative that many were expecting and it's preety much comfirmed. Also wasn't Slovkia in the EU chamber supportive of us just recently? At this rate Scotland is going to win the Eurovision contest no problem and the UK is going to be last place. If that happens I'm going to get a bottle of lube and a live viewing of social media having a meltdown  keep punching joe posted:Lets be independent and stay in the EU, my partner's career depends on it and she can make so much more than I ever will. This is also going to be another sticking point that this stupid referendum has done. People that rely on moving freely and the implications of business and careers on the EU is going to get hosed and I'm honestly pissed off that some of my friends from Europe are going to be affected by this poo poo because they can't move freely now nor is it going to be easy to do postage for them when I send them stuff.
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Jul 1, 2016 13:48
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forkboy84 posted:I'm trying to imagine how comically bad a Scottish Eurovision song would be. Do what Finland did and pull a lordi. It should be Alestorm.
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forkboy84 posted:I'm sure I've said this before, but oh my god Alestorm are one of the very worst bands I've ever seen live. Horrible. And all their goofy fans dressed as loving pirates. Heavy metal is serious business, stop having fun! Right. So why is this bad for a eurovision entry?
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Coohoolin posted:Also OP pretty sure Kevin McKenna's been Yes for a while now, he's just milking the brexit a bit. keep punching joe posted:Yeah McKenna was a very late convert to Yes in 2014. Ah I'll amend it.
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