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A Buttery Pastry posted:*Gets independence* the norwegian localisation of olsenbanden is actually pretty good, weirdly enough
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I'm sure it is. The paucity of wholly homegrown culture produced by Norway is still a shame. Why did Norway decide to merely copy, rather than tell its own stories? yeah it's mostly wannabe hollywood or BBC stuff these days, sad state of affairs
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Nidhg00670000 posted:So I was strejkvakt at Tesla the other day. Very very uneventful, except for one guy in a Tesla stopping and chatting with us, expressing his full support for the strike? stand tall, comrade
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Anders posted:Jokke (Joachim Nilsen) said it wisely iirc jokke got "sober" (kom tilbake til Kong Alkohol) and had a relapse, taking the same dose that he'd been taking while actively using without the tolerance and that's probably what killed him
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sp has to step away from kunnskapsdepartementet. it is clearly not good for them. sandra borch, the second of two ministers clearly uninterested in the field, has now resigned over a complete bush league plagiarism scandal where she, like a loving moron copied whole paragraphs of text from other master's theses verbatim.
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Anders posted:Ingrid Kjerkol (Ap), head of the Health Department, has also come under scrutiny for her Master thesis after Borch was exposed it's that she was using the same method as someone else and so they were doing it properly by citing the original sources for methods rather than the previous thesis which had used the method which would be imo bad but not unacceptable (i'm sure that a lot of my methods sections look suspiciously similar to previous work) except that she has also cribbed at least some interpretation of results from the previous thesis my guess is that they've just copy-pasted the previous thesis and edited as appropriate. this is not a completely uncommon way of working, but it's formally not good. e. i don't understand what in the world she would've wanted this master's for. she's a grown woman with a parliamentary seat and prominent positions in the labour party apparatus. she literally doesn't need a master's.
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Alhazred posted:Better to have no education at all. That way you can't be caught plagiarizing. yeah if you don't have the time to do it properly you can just be a senior politician with limited or even no higher education. the labour party leadership used to be full of people with no higher education and was a much more well-functioning institution when it was
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the earlier citations of kjerkol's thesis looked like she was just using a previous thesis as a template and had left in some stuff, which isn't great but is also a fairly common way to make sure your thesis has an acceptable format, and i've never heard of anyone getting disqualified over it. i also have no problem imagining that i have sentences in my texts from that stage of my education which look very much like something i've read somewhere, as well, without those things being attributed to the direct source (so if i were to explain the pythagorean theorem i might subconsciously steal someone else's wording that i read somewhere and cite pythagoras, e.g.). however, there's more emerging which makes me increasingly skeptical of her academic work here - apparently there are whole small fragments which are highly similar to sintef reports and suchlike. looking awfully much like a liability there, ingvil! Woebin posted:Unionen is probably the shittiest union around here, they frequently take the employer's side and have never been helpful to me when I've been a member. there's a local in bergen called unionen (it organises construction workers) which has a pretty good reputation and for a moment i was bewildered
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Anders posted:Also, being the one of the most influential politician in Norway is a completely different thing than being Ola Dunk who works in middle-managment of a medium sized B2B company yeah generally something seems to have really shifted sometime in the 2000s in the mentality of norwegian elected politicians - while people getting drunk and partying too hard has always been a problem (hello giske) i don't think we've ever had a state of affairs where people have been doing this kind of cynical structuring of benefits at this scale before. in labour in particular, party discipline seems completely gone as well,. it's really, really strange
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Alhazred posted:Speaking of, I'm watching Makta and it's really good. i quite like this einar førde interpretation in general but they should've written this guy's lines in nynorsk imo, that was a big part of førde's ~*brand*~ and he's the only major character to have an important part of his background changed so drastically Anders posted:Between the massive privatization of state owned companies ("part" privatization and "passive ownership") and her "Typisk Norsk å være god" brand of complacent nationalism I'd argue that she has been the worst PM since Jens Hundseid (became a nazi collaborator). Jagland is close, considering he was the main proponent of New Public Management i have a bit of sympathy for jagland, he really did try to bring labour dirigisme into the new millenium before getting shelved completely by stoltenberg. NPM was so omnipresent in the time that the only way to resist it would've been an armed takeover of power by a revolutionary faction, every single NOU written between ~1995 and ~2010 just accepts NPM as pure gospel and scientific truth Anders posted:It's not strange, by the 70s Ap became the party to be in if you wanted to get a head. "Å ha partiboka i orden" was political lingo as late as the 90s with regards to being a party member to get into the circles of power. It not longer mattered what politics you had anymore, just who your political allies were. Arbeiderpartiet, like Senterpartiet and Høyre are "maktparti" where personal alliances and personal favors are more important than anything else rune slagstad calls the post-war period of politics the "one-party state" for a reason - it was very clear for a long time that labour was where you went if you were an ambitious striver, but until brundtland and her lot they mostly recruited from the broader labour movement with a smattering of sympathetic intellectuals (hello halfdan koht! hello jens christian hauge!). this seems to have really broken down by the eighties, possibly because the generation which were kids during the war had seen most of the "ambitious striver type" cohort go through higher education rather than the movement's own schooling? it's not clear to me also lol at makta-reiulf steen using the generational experience of the occupation to explain the labour leadership's attitude to NATO and having it accepted when SV was right there V. Illych L. fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Jan 25, 2024 |
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while i get the impulse to try and steer the thread away from becoming thread number three on the red sea issue the scandinavian countries do exist in the world and have foreign policies which are involved in world events. splitsoul clearly thinks that it's bad that denmark participates in the military action against the houthis, whereas rust martialis seems to think that it's good because the houthis are breaking international law and firing at random ships. hashing this stuff out seems pertinent for evaluating a pretty major investment of danish military force - if they are not firing at random ships it seems to defeat rust martialis' apparent position and so if one accepts rust martialis' premises it's pertinent to the deployment of danish military assets in the theater.
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Rust Martialis posted:Kindly forbear from ascribing to me positions I do not hold and have not advocated. i wrote "seems" because you hadn't explicitly advocated that position, but i didn't (and to be honest don't) understand where else you would be headed with this line of reasoning which is pertinent to the thread and was trying to give your post a charitable reading
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Rust Martialis posted:Currently, I'm interested in the truth or falsity of the claim they only attacked Israeli ships. It seems to be established as false by the evidence in hand. ok but, like, why though
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two norwegian-owned vessels have been hit by the houthis which didn't have any obvious actual connection to israel, but both of those ships had registrations which made it possible to infer through certain methods that they did. clearly the houthis are not exclusively hitting israeli or israel-affiliated ships (and now US/UK-affiliated ships), but i don't think it's been demonstrated that they aren't trying to be discriminate in their attacks, i.e. that they have a more or less open political agenda which can be negotiated as i see it, there are three cases to be made for deploying warships to suppress, eliminate or contain the houthis rather than aqcuiescing to their stated (imo quite reasonable) demands of a stable ceasefire in and aid to palestine: 1) the houthis are attacking ships more or less at random without any real relation to the ongoing crisis in palestine, contrary to their public messaging on the matter and so the houthis are doing simple piracy - a sub-variant of this is the more general worry about legitimising naval blockades as a method of exerting political pressure, but we rarely see that in the wild and imo the houthis' official reasoning about the obligation to prevent genocide adequately addresses this concern 2) it is harmful to western prestige to be seen to be pressured by a bunch of, basically, reactionary warbands and should be suppressed irrespective of what's going on in palestine 3) one supports the israeli side in the present crisis the only obvious (to me, at least) reason to be arguing about houthi targetting patterns is that one is claiming 1) above. proposing 2) and 3) are not really comme il faut on SA these days as far as i can tell, so if one were predisposed towards 2) or 3) one might find 1) a more comfortable thing to argue, and so we generally find ourselves litigating 1). the most intuitive reason that one would be interested in attacking the (in my view) too broad claim that the houthis are "only" attacking israeli ships, outside of posting grudges or other such grubby motives, would be to build a case for scenario 1), but i don't think it's sufficient. it's good to know where people are going with their lines of argument and not have to infer it to said people's potential umbrage. splitsoul's goal is imo pretty clear - he both supports the palestinians and thinks that the houthis are doing what they claim to be doing, which is attempt to exert pressure on israel and friends to force a ceasefire on terms acceptable to the palestinians, having a not-totally-accurate stated position on houthi targetting procedures is not fatal to this. the substantive argument to be had here is whether we should be handling this situation by sending in warships, or if there's a better way. in my opinion, there is a better way
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Rust Martialis posted:I actually care about facts and evidence so I looked into it. I wanted to know if they really were only targeting Israeli ships, in which case I'm not sure I'd actually object. They're not. but that is not the precise claim being made in that post. the precise claim being made in that post is that the houthis started out "going after ships headed to or owned by israel(...)", and should charitably allow for some inaccuracies in their targetting procedures - collateral damage, if you will. also you're discussing this in the context of a major military deployment by a scandinavian country in the thread about scandinavian politics, so it cannot be a surprise to you that it's read as an entry into the debate about that deployment.
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i've been weirdly positively surprised by espen barth eide as norwegian foreign minister this time around. possibly because the points of comparison are huitfelt and søreide, who both deeply and passionately love the US and UK, respectively
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Alhazred posted:Dude is the living embodiment of the color grey. yeah but he (or labour in general? it's not transparent to me, i suspect that huitfeldt in particular has a very strong pro-US bent) have placed us closer to my own position on this pretty important question than any almost other european country so i'll take it
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it must be emphasised that under a solberg government we would've been much closer to the US line on the ongoing crisis in the middle east. this really is a very real, tangible difference between the big mainstream parties.
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ulvir posted:doesn’t the current line have a pretty strong bipartisan support though? the only exceptions I can think of are Liathaug being very vocally pro israel and rødt/SV (possibly MDG) wanting more export control from the american factories, and recognition of Palestine as a state in a word: no what has broad support is moving ever closer to the US in geopolitical space. that most obviously means being officially "neutral", in practice voting with the US in the UN and suchlike. it would normally mean joining the defunding UNRWA bonanza or at least shutting up about it. eide has done neither. it's difficult to be actively pro-israel in norway (not that our press didn't try hard immediately post-oct 7th), so probably the americans wouldn't expect loud support, but the present government has been actively criticising israel - and so, by extension, the americans. this carries with it real costs, which they've been willing to bear because the labour movement is still important to the labour party and also quite staunchly pro-palestinian. the conservatives have no such ties and would almost certainly be taking a position more similar to the danes were they in government. there's no loud conservative opposition to the government's policy, but that doesn't mean that the conservatives would have the same policy were they in office - it just means that they don't want to tie themselves too closely to israel for no gain. V. Illych L. fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Feb 11, 2024 |
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Baudolino posted:A firm pro Israel line would not be very popular among the broader populace either. So this is one policy where the goverment haven`t shot itself in the foot, yet. the Conservative approach would've been to vote with the US and say vague stuff about the european community etc and basically tone the whole thing down. there's absolutely no way we get a policy this pro-palestinian as a NATO country with strong bilateral ties to the US with the conservatives in charge.
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Anders posted:How about that class traitor Stein Lier-Hansen that went from high positions in Arbeiderpartiet straight to leadership roles for NHO (Norges Handelsorganisasjon) and are now under scrutiny for embezzling and unethical practices this stuff is all normal elite behaviour and literally impossible to avoid if we are to have the basic political economy that we've got. going from labour to NHO has become fairly normal. i find it difficult to get worked up about this in particular, since we know that it's absolutely endemic to our governing class as a whole.
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Anders posted:
the labour party represents the left wing of the existing social order. that order has been careening wildly to the right for the past ~40 years, so the labour party has also been moving strongly to the right. breaking with this order requires breaking with the common-sense on some unexpected arenas, such as security policy (because the present orthodoxy on security policy necessitates a strong economic integration with the US and EU), which is never popular. and so it goes
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generally there's a very broad consensus on liberal values including property, identity rights and commercial organisation as well as some large-L liberal commitments to the generally US-centric world order, "independent" central banking and financialisation. breaking with any part of this incurs immediate sanction in the form of capital flight, as we can see with the present government attempting to introduce an obviously reasonable ground rent tax and getting shot down, leading to a more hasty confrontation with capital and a bunch of rich people moving their money to switzerland (which is a real penalty they can impose because we've deliberately increased capital mobility as much as possible for many years) there is some formal opposition to some parts of this platform and some real opposition to other parts (e.g. rødt remains nominally opposed to NATO, and there's a large contingent of formally euroskeptic parties in parliament, and social conservativism remains influential in KrF and on the fringes of Frp and H), but the present government really did try to govern as centre-left and ran smack dab into this massive interconnected structure which sharply limited their ability to act and have reoriented in a strongly centrist, right-wing direction to placate the rich people who really do have a lot of direct power. V. Illych L. fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Feb 16, 2024 |
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THE BAR posted:
one thing which i noticed and am taking as a symptom of my rapid progression into grumpy old man is the tendency towards "dagblad"ification of NRK the other day they had an illustrated listicle named something like "seven reasons masturbation is good for you" and they have videos where the thumbnail is youtube-style people making weird facial expressions you're the taxpayer-funded public broadcaster for heaven's sake have some dignity
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i think there is a substantial public interest in getting to the bottom of the largest act of industrial sabotage in recent history and: Anders posted:... that is their mandate though. They are by law both expected to create content for everyone, and expected to deliver similar media as commercial actors while i'm in principle in favour of an honest-to-god broadcasting monopoly like ye olde days i recognise that advances in technology have made that an impossible vision. granted this, i can live with nrk having content which i find annoying if that content is gated to channels with which i do not have to interact. what's happening to nrk.no is just the public broadcaster capitulating to the structural race to the bottom of contemporary media sphere, somehow being more vulgar than the mean and chasing the profile of a newspaper which is not even trusted as a news source by its own readers it's bad op
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Anders posted:You also shout at clouds? This was what older people said about youth tv too i think it's telling that you're defending this on formal terms instead of actually arguing that this stuff is good content which has value independent of "nrk has in its charter that it's supposed to be all bad because a fair amount of people like bad stuff"
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p2 has ok music coverage but it's gotten much worse at almost everything else. the most substantive current affairs programme they run these days is norsken svensken og dansken which is basically a mediocre politics podcast for ageing liberals. no part of nrk could make e.g. https://tv.nrk.no/serie/om-poesi/1975 or anything like it today. i watched old episodes of åpen post and it was incomparably better (in the sense that i felt more enlightened about the issues under discussion) than any contemporary programming on any nrk channel. even dagsrevyen is now majority braindead feel-good feature stuff. a public broadcaster is supposed to entertain, but also educate and inform. if it's just another garbage channel we can just close the whole thing down,
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Baudolino posted:How can you inform if no one is watching? you just have to accept that your viewership will trend a little older and more educated instead of sacrificing everything to maximise technical engagement metrics it dagsrevyen has 300,000 viewers and functions as a useful current affairs programme it's more valuable than it if has 500,000 viewers and is mostly a human interest magazine. we have norge rundt for that. the problem is that "quality" is increasingly a frowned-upon concept, as we can see in e.g. the Litterære Arbeidsstipend-keruffle. if you cannot straightforwardly quantify something it will tend to lose out to things which can be easily quantified.
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Anders posted:If NRK hadn't changed its policies to actively try to engage younger audiences almost no millennials would watch it today - and that includes you. If they don't get 12-18 year olds to watch/read NRK today, they won't suddenly start at 35 when they've matured to "real" news like what you prefer on the one hand you're making insane and completely unfounded assumptions here. on the other, i can find almost nothing on nrk that caters to my interests, which are by and large incredibly boring and mainstream. they're just not puddle-deep.
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Baudolino posted:Its not NRKs fault that our attention span is poo poo these days. They have to play the game so to speak. NRK could at least produce and offer more hearty fare than the nonsense they think is popular. they could keep it all on nrk2 and p2 and i'd be perfectly happy
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Nice piece of fish posted:Make your own. No, I'm not joking this is literally true. for some reason commercial meaderies are extremely inconsistent
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you really can never trust a swede out of all the scandinavians they are somehow the most smug. this is a genuine achievement
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Rappaport posted:So hey, just wondering, did Sweden release and or return the skulls, actual human skulls, that their race science gently caress faces stole from Finnish grave yards, and which Sweden is now saying no take backsies, we need them for our race science purposes? sweden has a very long and illustrious history of skull measuring. they were once at the very forefront of race science and craniometrics. it makes sense that they're trying to maintain their lead in these critical fields
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Alhazred posted:Let''s not pretend that we are any better. Thor Heyerdahl himself took skulls with him and they were only returned a couple of years ago. Not to mention how the medical institute in Oslo fought against letting Julia Pastrana get a decent burial. we are but apprentices to the swedish masters in this field
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Anders posted:Been the same issue since the 80s. Høyre actively makes things worse, Ap passively makes things worse the present government actually did take a tack to the left and got nothing for it, so now they're back to trying to placate the opposition. it seems to be working, at least insofar as their base not deserting them and the broader centre-left remaining viable in at least some polls the labour party is sort of objectively non-viable atm for several reasons, but it's imo kept from collapsing completely by the LO connection.
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Anders posted:I disagree a lot with Venstre - but they do actually have some intellectual honesty and is willing to stand up for unpopular policies like legalization of THC products and probably some more idk. They're too small for me to really pay attention to. Yeah, they joined the last government eventually, but SV joined Stoltenberg and that turned out to be a poo poo decision too. Kirsti Halvorsen was nice and all, but she was on the right side of the party along with that fuckhead Erik Solheim if snorre valen consistently says what he thinks he's not very bright imo
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Anders posted:I've toyed with an idea for a political party based on Kristelig Folkeparti called Humanetisk Folkeparti whenever I get annoyed by Sosialistisk Venstreparti - usually over their opposition to nuclear energy and GMO instead of trying to nationalize it this is basically just MDG, you realise
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for every socialist party in our day there are a bunch of internal issues that need to be navigated, including some quite intractable ideological ones which everyone has sort of tacitly agreed to stop talking about. one of the big ones is the division between the meta-political and the practical-political inclinations. for the practical-political types, they see that they can acheive better election results by not saying anything too controversial and focussing on narrow, popular issues (in rødt in norway, for instance, energy policy is a big winner for the party) while de-emphasising the big, radical positions like NATO membership and nominal commitment to socialism. for the meta-political types, the other stuff is a means to the end of building a broader socialist movement which can hopefully - at some point, at some time - change society in a fundamental way. a modern political party is almost necessarily going to be dominated by practical-political types, but a lot of the activist core is made up of people who don't really care whether the party makes 6 or 7% in the polls but who do want very much to explain to everybody why socialism is necessary/why imperialism is bad/why our government is not morally superior to [insert unpleasant regime here]. as a middle-class guy, the things that the party can do for me don't make that big an immediate impact in my life, and so that small electoral edge matters much less than whether i can tell people how much the EU sucks, for instance. the measure of a competent leadership of such a party is the extent to which they can keep a lid on these contradictions. as the full-time parliamentary politicians increase their influence within a party (as they inevitably do for very natural reasons), the meta-politically inclined activist types start getting seriously anxious quite quickly. that tends to culminate in a specific legislative agenda, typically something to do with foreign policy. palestine's a possible such issue, for SV it was the libya bombing campaign, for rødt now we saw the policy of arming ukraine as this sort of issue. the party typically survives if the practical-political types win out, but it will tend to lose a lot of its radicalism very quickly. this leads to a gradual replacement of the party cadres, and a "normalisation" of the party along with an ever-deeper contempt for the "true believers". as we saw with corbyn, this contempt can manifest in outright sabotage of the party itself for factional reasons, but because the meta-political types by definition have controversial opinions this is generally tolerated or even celebrated by polite society. and so it goes. at the moment both EL and Rødt are completely dominated by the "practical" faction and they seem to be quite keen on distancing themselves as far as possible from radicalism - the stance on palestine has generally been decent with Rødt, but the "common sense" on palestine in norway is actually abnormally pro-palestinian for historical reasons
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Party In My Diapee posted:Wont't the most successful outcome of continually distancing yourself from radicalism to chase voters be to replace the social democratic party, but in the process have commited yourself to largely the same policies? yes, the logical endpoint is a syriza-style situation where you're left with some of the radical baggage and a programme largely indistinguishable from whichever social-democratic or social-liberal party you replaced. avoiding this takes a genuine social movement, as happened when the labour movement seized hegemony from the social-liberals in the twentieth century and formed several honestly quite successful governments.
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