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Lima
Jun 17, 2012

A Buttery Pastry posted:

So what you're saying is, everything else about my post is 100% correct? :v:

Close enough. Kartoffel kartoffel.

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Lima
Jun 17, 2012

lilljonas posted:

It is true for Sweden the last two, two and a half decades, at least.

Same for Denmark except that most parties, SocDem included, would very much like a Libertarian Thunderdome.

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

SplitSoul posted:

Inger Støjberg knowingly issued an illegal instruction against the recommandations of her officials. The issue was separating couples in asylum centers based on age disparity. Previously, each case had been evaluated individually as the law required, and anyone underage was of course separated outright. Støjberg forced the separation of anyone under 18 without review. She was told by her subordinates that this was illegal, in breach of international conventions and existing Danish law, but proceeded regardless. The Ombudsman has strongly criticised the move and experts in administrative law are calling it a very serious, impeachable offense, comparing it to the Tamil-case of yore. This would rest on her immunity being revoked by parliament, so of course it's not going to happen, because the Danish People's Party is fine with literally anything, as long as it somehow hurts refugees (such as a lot of couples aged 17 to 19). The Liberal spokesman on immigration, Marcus Knuth, has said that the opposition must just like child brides and that it's okay for a Minister to "follow her own moral compass", even if it goes against the law, roundly ignoring the fact that these couples were already being separated as required based on individual evaluation, that the issue is her knowingly instructing subordinates to break the law.

V's attempt to spin any opposition to this as "OH YOU MUST BE PRO CHILD BRIDES HUUUUH?" is so transparent and should be ripped to shreds.

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Another month, another new anti-immigration party.
This time a lefty one - http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/forfatter-stifter-indvandrerkritisk-venstrefloejsparti

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Neeksy posted:

Man Danes have a lot of different flavor of right wing parties but only one left. That sounds like hell, like USA-level hell.

Everyone wants a slice of DF's pie, including the social democrats.

Nye Borgerlige exists solely because ~10% of the electorate wants a more strict immigration policy than what DF offers. The founder had never mentioned immigrants or refugess before but she really really really wants to be in the parliement.

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

SplitSoul posted:

Also, they seem to have a bit of an issue with neo-nazis and Holocaust deniers and violent criminals and people defending molotov attacks on children constantly joining their ranks, but oh well, that's Danish politics for ya. :shrug:

Allow anyone with a pulse to join and weed out the village idiots later seems to be how you manage a party in tyool 2017. I'm not sure NB will ever get to the latter part though :v:

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Cerebral Bore posted:

Build lifesize lego statues of said scumbags and put those in the vacated seats, then see how long it takes before anybody notices.

If you attach a loudspeaker that bleets "deport everyone integrate noone" on repeat - never.

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Zudgemud posted:

A decent portion of the upper echelons of Iraqi Kurdistan speak Swedish, I think that is as far as Sweden will ever influence that region.

So how long until Sweden opens an embassy Ikea there?

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

SplitSoul posted:

We don't even pretend it isn't about foreigners, even though the two-week minimum jail sentence for first offenses technically applies to nationals as well. Of course the Social Democrats were also in favour of criminalising being poor in public, as their last stint in office caused an explosion in homelessness.

The sooner the current "left wing" parties dies out the better :cripes:

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Revelation 2-13 posted:

In glorious racism-capital of Scandinavia, beards on doctors is probably the next thing to be banned. Before all you beard-growing medicine studying hipsters get your perfectly styled tighty-whities in a bunch, don't worry - it's not a health thing. It's obviously the religiousosity of the the beard which is the problem. No really, modern beards grown for fashion is fine, but when brown people have them when they are "religious" they are a menace. I assume this means, like with border control, that the police will eventually have to enforce this, despite the complete ridiculousness of it.

https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/df-ledelse-bakker-op-om-forbud-mod-skaeg-paa-hospitaler

That one didn't last long at least.

https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/kovending-df-spidskandidat-traekker-skaegforbud-tilbage

Venstre or Soc Dem will probably pick it up again at some point.

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

SplitSoul posted:

Støjberg probably got the idea from the former Social Democratic Social Affairs Minister turned Liberal Welfare Minister turned state-funded neo-fascist hate blogger, Karen Jespersen. Evidently she reads her blog. Also, Karen Jespersen was still Social Affairs Minister when she proposed the deserted islands in 2001. The other thing she's known for is ensuring that homeless foreigners freeze to death.

And to think that both Jespersen and hubby were venstresocialister in their youth.

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

DF klar med nyt krav: Udgangsforbud i alle muslimske lande

When satire feels less wacky than reality :stonklol:

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

SplitSoul posted:

They rolled in an army of PET guards and police to hold a press conference in Mjølnerparken. Not even the residents of this prospective "double penalty zone" were allowed at the venue, and protesters outside demanding equality before the law were described by Inger Støjberg as adherents of sharia who hate the Constitution.

And as usual, S attempts to double down :frogbon:

e: Guide to danish politics:

DF/K/V/RV/LA/S: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn."
SF: "We think what S thinks oh and also the enviroment. Fhtagn."
EL: [long winded speech about issues that only a few copenhageners would care about]
Alt: "Uuuhm... Uh, we don't like to identify as people having opinions... We think?"

Lima fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Mar 1, 2018

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Yeah the gubmint got their negotiate-through-legislation plan lined up, just like with the teachers. The poor public sector employees are going to get suckerpunched :(

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Alan Smithee posted:

American.

I loathe getting into it with people on fb but someone posted that Sweden gives people handguns when they are 21. Is this a misunderstanding of an existing law or complete and utter horseshit as I suspect

It's "inhaling chemtrails allows you to communicate with the spirit of Elvis"-level of horseshit.

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Yeah well, Soc Dem have been hovering between DF and NB for a while, and SF have been following them blindly since the kiddie gang blew the party up.

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Ah yes, democracy gulags what could go wrong.

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Randarkman posted:

I've heard about this quite often, but I know little about Danish politics. What are the details on the Social Democrats' swing to the right? I'm kind of interested.

The right wing populists poached a lot of SD's voters. In response SD tried to catch up in "dey dook ah jerbs" arguments and are at times doubling down.

Boatswain posted:

What is the electoral split between Cph/countryside in Denmark?

Biggest party per electorate zone from the last election (2015):

Red: Social Democrats - Won 26,3% of the votes
Blue: Liberals - 21,1%
Yellow: Danish People's Party - 19,5%
Orange: Redgreens - 7,8%

Lima fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Aug 4, 2018

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Zulily Zoetrope posted:

I'm not sure what happened internally at that point, since a lot of prominent politicians in the party (including Mette Frederiksen, who is probably gonna be our next Prime Minister) turned out to be extremely comfortable with open, unconstitutional, ECHR-defying racism, but that's definitely what happened from the outside.


Huh, what's district 13 on there? Østerbro? I guess the votes hadn't been fully tallied when I last checked the electoral map, because I remember the Redgreens (the leftmost major party) having a bigger presence.

Østerbro is district 1. I think 13 is Hellerup/Gentofte/Charlottenlund.

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Cardiac posted:

Cool map, I haven’t seen how the parties are distributed over Denmark.
The circle of DPP over in south Själland is kinda interesting, since it kinda resembles the pattern around Malmö.

A big part of DPP's huge gain (+8,8%) at the election was that Venstre pissed off a lot of their traditional voters - the farmers, who then voted for DPP in protest. Most of the yellow zones is farmland.

So there's a bit more to the "yellow plague" than it just being racist yahoos/a reaction to the immigration crisis.

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Zulily Zoetrope posted:

DPP is also ostensibly the conservative welfare party, and a lot of old people claim to vote for them because they promise to keep the hospitals and libraries open while not fighting the construction on windmills and putting falaffel in school lunches and whatever weird things old people care about. That they only ever appear in right-wing coalitions and always "compromise" with the liberals to gut the public sector in return for increasingly restrictive immigration and citizenship regulations doesn't seem to phase their voters.

That social democrats have floated the idea of inviting them into a red coaltion, which would be... a first. Of the socialist parties, the The Red-Greens have explicitly stated that they'd refuse to be part of such a coalition, but the Socialist People's Party are probably mercenary enough to go along with it.

Yeah it's a mystery to me that DPP never gets called out on their welfare promises that leads to brutal budget cuts :iiam:

SD may want to form a coalition with DPP (and of course SF will follow suit as they haven't had an independent thought in 20 years) but I doubt DPP will because Pia never forgets.

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Fox gonna Fox.

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Potrzebie posted:

not sure what the Danes are selling

Surveillance gadgets, though I think it was primarily the recently closed danish BAE division that did so.

e: Please take the dicksucking discussion to the official SA dicksucking thread the SAL scandinavian thread :xd:

Lima fucked around with this message at 11:00 on Aug 21, 2018

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Party Plane Jones posted:

hello scandinavians please tell me which liquor from your home country i should drink while reading the reports from this thread

Some lukewarm carlsberg should get you in the probin' mood!

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

SplitSoul posted:

Just something to keep in mind the next time you read about them neglecting hate crimes, immigrants being 65-70% more likely to be charged with a crime they didn't commit, or when the police chief insists the squad leader on camera yelling the Danish equivalent of "sandnigger" at a Palestinian is, in fact, saying "pearl" (they don't rhyme in Danish, either).

Seeing even the racist tabloids calling the police chief for "mother of pearls" afterwards was hilarious though :v:

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Collateral Damage posted:

Well we managed to keep this thread civil for a surprisingly long time.

All it took was a swedish election :v:

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

KozmoNaut posted:

They also promised a lot of money and resources for elderly care, pension improvements, that sort of thing.

The rural areas that voted heavily for DF have a lot of elderly people and people rapidly approaching the pension age.

Obviously DF were unable to deliver on their promises, instead they actively worsened conditions for the elderly, and spent a lot of energy on mandatory pork in kindergartens.

Also I remember Venstre (read: Løkke) pissing off a lot of their traditional voters, the farmers, shortly before the last election who then voted DF in protest.

https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/regionale/trekanten/venstre-byraadsmedlem-om-stoejbergs-forslag-om-haandtryk-et-skridt-paa

"The best thing about the forced handshake is that the same hand then can't be raised in an even more vile salute" :iceburn:

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Replace the scandinavian militaries with a phone number that says "we surrender" in russian when you call it.

:glistrup:

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Olsen Banden stole the crown jewels.

Lima
Jun 17, 2012



The danish Dúnadan.

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Don't cast Wish if you don't have the Wis to word it properly :eng101:

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

SplitSoul posted:

That seems like a seriously lowballed estimate. But not to worry, the Minister of Social Affairs who unironically asked why poor people don't just save up, she's "concerned" and definitely going to act on it.

It increased by a fifth under Thorning, IIRC. They were the ones who cut billions from student allowance specifically to lower corporate taxes, that might have been a factor as well. You know, those taxes that only about a third of all businesses even pay in the first place?

My conservative buddy was at first happy with Thorning's goverment as a lot of what they did was way more "borgerligt" that what V or K could've gotten away with if they were in power.
But he grew as disgusted as any of us in the end.

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Eh, he has very little in common with Dreadjudge Pape, loving Naser and Multi Brian (his nicknames).

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

SplitSoul posted:

Africa and the Middle East are most responsible for carbon emissions, because they heat their homes with little stoves that billow soot and stuff! This woman is fast on her way to parliament.

https://www.information.dk/debat/leder/2018/11/pernille-vermunds-paastand-co2-udledning-dummeste-nogensinde-sagt-klimadebatten

Hopefully she'll poach DF votes but fail to get above the minimum voter threshold :pray:

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

And Lithuanian blacksite prisons :yikes:

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Post more about your [KEETS] Avs.

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

SplitSoul posted:

Venstre admits there were "slip ups" (fodfejl) during Iraq.

Once you reach a certain pay grade or had enough media exposure1, you become immune to legal consequences.

1Lykkehjulet excluded

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Rust Martialis posted:

Ask me after Brexit. I frankly despise the Danish government, even if I have a friend who is a Social Democratic local politician, he hates the federal party even more than I do. But I suspect my lily-white IT nerd skin will magically be allowed to stay, as I am considered the "good" kind of foreigner. I fervently hope I never end up meeting Støjberg in person as I seriously might start screaming at her.

My mental state is linked to how often I see old friends; either I go see them (trip to Berlin last month) or they come to CPH (a friend's band played Vega this past week and we hung out).

Work just did a massive re-org and I almost got put under a VP that colleagues reported to HR last year. I went to HR and pointed this out, and I was re-reorged with alacrity.

My GF is paying for a weekend in Århus with a trip to Legoland when it gets warmer. I like Århus. More than Ørestad, lol.

I am Not Very Danish, it seems.

You are more danish than you know :q:

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Thinking about banks/bankers lately has given me extreme argony.

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Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Ugggh hopefully Paludaneren will steal just enough votes from NB that neither of them gets voted in :cripes:

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