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Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

For forty years, you have been asking: Who is John Bull? This is John Bull speaking. I am the man who loves his life. I am the man who does not specify his love or his values. I am the man who has deprived you of Europe and thus has destroyed your world, and if you wish to know why you are perishing�you who dread brexits�I am the man who will now tell you.

Welcome to the UK Marxism Thread, where we discuss dialectical materialism and high voltage pulse generators. And Oberleutnant writes us a reading list. And hope dies.
(Also UK Mega Thread, UK Manga Thread, UK Michaelgove Thread)

What Happened Last Month?
No, seriously, what happened last month? Anyone? :geno:

SpaceDrake posted:

What you have to understand is that this whole thing is literally the plot of The Producers.

Cameron promised the referendum because he was confident it wouldn't succeed - that he'd barely even need to campaign for it. It was a ploy to get people to vote for the Conservatives instead of other parties (remember that Britain has more than two parties and the PM is just a member of Parliament selected by the party in power to lead).

He never meant for the vote to actually succeed. He never meant for it to even be a contest.

A dumb political stunt has kicked off the probable end of the United Kingdom, possibly the European Union, and possibly the first pebble of the end of the world as we have known it.

Mel Brooks wouldn't have written it this way for being too unbelievable.

Even with my skeptical view of the EU I find little joy in this. I didn't vote Leave, because voting Leave with no plan on a mandate of "�350m a week, 75m Turkmen, Take Back Control!" is a bad idea.

So What Actually Happened?
52% of the participants decided to vote Leave with no plan on a mandate of "�350m a week, 75m Turkmen, Take Back Control!", it was a bad idea.

Not all of them voted for that reason. There was Lexit and protest votes and a general anti-establishment feeling. But that's the mandate that the campaign ended up running on.

It's like the country decided to vote with Verwoerd because at least he's opposed to the worst group of liberal imperialist bastards on the planet. (This also worked out well. With 52% too.)

I guess the saving grace is that we don't have anyone as competent as Verwoerd actually backing it. Yet. :geert:

The world financial sector was shown an important lesson about what happens when you ask for a direct vote from people who have been crushed by austerity under media demagogues. It's a shame that they won't learn anything and it's the poorest who will suffer most from this.

Every thread someone mentions that there's going to be another crash ~someday~, probably from China or Trump, and we won't be able to do anything because we pissed away our chances to recover from 2008 by using austerity instead of investment. At least we took the initiative to do it on our own terms! :woop:

What are the immediate consequences?
The market got spooked, triggering an immediate drop in the value of sterling and 5-10% drops in markets across the world.

Pound sterling value, early last Friday morning.

Senior Leave campaigners stood around like a dog who has finally caught the car it was chasing, admitting that most of what they campaigned on was bullshit.

The EU directly ruled out joining the EEA on the same standing as Norway or Switzerland.

Scotland, which voted Remain by a significant majority, has discussed a second IndyRef.

Northern Ireland, which also voted Remain, has openly discussed Irish reunification outside of a Sinn F�in barroom for the first time in quite a while, although the Unionist parties are closing ranks to shoot it down. Hopefully not literally.

Spain has proposed joint sovereignty over Gibraltar and looks to be planning more border dickery.

Even London has started speculating about Free City/FEZ/SEZ/Interzone status to preserve their sole industry of moving numbers and risk around on computers.

Cameron has realized he hosed up bad and has announced his retirement effective as of October, leaving a ~~poisoned chalice~~Peppa Pig mug full of feces for his successor.

The president of the European parliament has pushed for Article 50 to be expedited to before October to call Cameron's bluff.

Nigel Farage made a tit out of himself in front of them all, helping smooth negotiations.

Corbyn was blamed for the result by the PLP. Of course.

Racist and anti-immigrant attacks are reportedly up 57% after the declaration of the result.

Boris Johnson has claimed that he does not believe those who voted for the UK to leave the EU were mainly driven by anxieties about immigration. And hid from Parliament.

What happens next?
:shrug:

Presumably nothing will happen with advancing Article 50 until October, when we may well be under such luminaries as PM Fox or Gove. Osborne will be hosed because of his 'punishment budget'. He's been keeping to himself a lot lately :cocaine:

There is no plan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95I29rCaFjA

One of Gavrilo Princip's friends on Facebook posted:

'Twas Brexit, and the slithy Gove
Did lie and grumble in the Mail:
All Menschy were the Boris droves,
And Nigel Farage is a fascist..

'Beware the immigrant, my son!
The language they speak, the jobs they snatch!
Beware the experts' views, and shun
Endorsements from that Cumberbatch!'

He took his warped worldview in hand:
Long time the old empire he sought-
So read the Sun, he, on his old settee
And ignored all rational thought.

And, as in the polling booth he stood,
The pencil replaced with biro-pen,
Crossed 'Leave the EU', thinking he'd done good,
As he burbled and left then.

One, two! One, two! And through and through
The leave votes came in, snicker-snack!
Cameron resigned, and with the pound dead
Boris came gallumphing back.

'And hath we left the European Union?
Thrash a Pole for me my beamish boy!
O' frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
The economy collapsed with joy.

'Twas Brexit, and the slithy Gove
Did lie and grumble in the Mail:
All Menschy were the Boris droves,
And Nigel Farage is a fascist.

What Else Is Happening?
� Austin Reed and British Home Stores failed, setting the theme for the month.
� Richard Huckle is sentenced to prison forever for practising the British national pastime in Malaysia, and for not being rich enough to use bribes and private yachts instead of bitcoins.
� Labour MP and refugee activist Jo Cox is assassinated by a ~~far right terrorist~~mild-mannered gardener using an improvised pistol and a knife. Referendum campaigns by both sides are suspended for the day, but few press outlets question what may have driven him to do it. It was probably the Muslims.
� Corbyn has started firing cabinet members who have been openly trying to sabotage him. This is obviously bad for Corbyn.
� And is probably nothing to do with the Chilcot report being published in a couple of weeks.
� The entire Shadow Cabinet resigned including people who were never members.
� The Twitterverse decided that facts were fully optional when discussing this, even when corrected by the people that they were discussing.
� Wrexham is the latest 'sundown town' to use pisspos to criminalize being homeless during the hours of darkness.
� Zero Gravitas got a towel thing with an octopus on it and it's the only thing that wasn't trash to happen last month. (Anecdotal)

A Contrivance of Horror:

A Rake's Progress
UKRIP June 2016 Brextravaganza!
UKMT May 2016
UKMT April 2016
UKMT March 2016
UKMT February 2016

A Ripple from the Storm
Brexit Financial Crisis Thread

A History of the Borders
Scotpol Thread

A View to a Kill
EDL/Fash Thread

A Partir de Maintenant
Europol Thread

A Very British Institution
Paedogeddon/Press Corruption Thread

A Bridge Too Far
Trainchat Thread

A Line in the Sand
Political Cartoons Thread

A Brief History of Telecommunications
#ukgoons on synIRC. It's mostly active during Question Time, but there's always some people around (thanks crispix).

Finally, keep the following in mind

quote:

1. It's not a person's fault if they are poor;
2. It's not their fault if they are disabled;
3. Neo-liberalism doesn't work;
4. The Daily Mail lies (maybe even about Pig Dave and charity);
5. Neo-liberalism has never worked;
6. The British Empire was not a force for good;
6a. And neither is the European Union;
6b. But lol at this mess;
7. Neo-liberalism will never work;
8. Trans people are not "men in dresses";
9. Gendered insults are not okay;
10. If something is "so gay" it had better be something that is really happy;
11. Trains are awesome;
12. The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.
13. Hope is a lie.

Bonus rule for our EuroPol guests

quote:

1. I have no idea if your thread is as racist/fascist/anti-refugee as people say, but don't do that poo poo here thanks.

Please rise for our international anthem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI-IIDtoxDE

Dehumanize Yourself And Face To Brexit! :black101:

Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Jul 1, 2016

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:00

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# ? May 3, 2024 07:11

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Also this is a good post and you should read it so I'm putting it as a separate post.

Oberleutnant posted:

Those of you pontificating about a new PM ignoring the referendum result and refusing to get the ball rolling: you know that'd lead us straight into full fascism, right?

We got where we are now because Farage was prepared to tell the biggest and most brazen lie imaginable to undermine the neoliberal tories (he did this not because he's an ideological racist, but because he's a petty, bitter, selfish arsehole who wanted power and has no sense of shame). The neoliberal lie that its policy of privatisation and deregulation would lead to prosperity for all of us has been running out of steam after a few decades of nobody's life getting better, and Farage has come straight out and said "it's the muzzies and the EU!" This lie is genius because the neoliberal "centre" can't dare refute it. If they reject it entirely they'll have to confront the other (left wing) side of the argument - that it was them all along. That it was their sale of social housing stock that lead to housing shortages, and their underfunding of the NHS that lead to crowded and understaffed hospitals, and so on, and so on. Honestly I think they're secretly grateful for this huge, disgusting lie, because it probably gave them another few years of power through half-arsed (but still disgraceful) pandering.

They know his scapegoating of migrants and the EU is a lie, but by pandering to his base and promising to implement some controls on immigration, and to play hardball with the EU, they guaranteed themselves another 5 years in control. But they know (and Farage knows) that the "cure" being applied is basically snake-oil - it's not going to fix the problem, because the EU and the immigrants were never really the cause of the specific problem that people were complaining about.

The EU referendum itself is almost incidental to this historical process (that is, it would keep going the way it's going even without the referendum), but we've had it now, and people have voted out. If the Tories turn around and say "yeah actually gently caress this we're not going out" all they do is strengthen Farage's position and add credence to the lie. Meanwhile people's lives will continue to get worse as long as neoliberalism is the order of the day, and now people think they've been promised the solution they will go loving berserk if it's denied to them undemocratically. At best UKIP win in a landslide at the next election. At absolute worst we get race riots and more murders and poo poo I don't even want to think about.

All of this is also why you absolutely need, need, need a genuine left wing voice in national politics. Every time Labour panders and promises controls on immigration as the solution to ensuring jobs and homes and hospitals for British people they strengthen the cause of fascism and repression, because they're promising the wrong cure to the problem, and when it inevitably doesn't work? There's Mr Farage again, saying thay if only they had been harder on the migrants and the EU it would have worked, and a few more votes go his way.
We need a socialist left wing voice on the national stage to tell people that actually it's the bastards in government and their mates in media and industry that are ruining your life, and that the solution is raising tax revenues to build houses and fund the NHS.

But right now I don't see any stopping this train. We're heading towards a dirty, grey, ugly little English fascism, and the only solace I can find is the knowledge that the fascist lie is just as empty as the neoliberals', and is doomed to be exposed in its turn.
But a lot of people might suffer along the way, because if Farage (or somebody prepared to lie even harder than he is) gets into power off the back of bashing minorities their only option once in power is to get nastier and nastier and nastier to the most vulnerable because he doesn't have the real answer either.

Thanks for reading Britain's Road to Fascism

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:00

Baloogan: Dec 5, 2004; Fun Shoe

Alas, poor Boris!

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:03

TheRat: Aug 30, 2006

Someone tell me how this is bad for Corbyn please:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/748649078456782849

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:03

I Killed GBS: Jun 2, 2011; by Lowtax

RIP UK.

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:03

Angepain: Jul 13, 2012; what keeps happening to my clothes

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.

The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:03

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

quote:

Heydon Prowse, who fronts the BBC programme The Revolution Will Be Televised played the trick on the former Home Secretary, who has been blind since birth.

The BBC today refused to condemn the stunt and refused to answer whether or not Prowse was working for them at the time.

Prowse sidled up to the Labour grandee, walking with an aide and his guide dog, after he had given an interview to a broadcaster near the Houses of Parliament on the crisis in the Labour leadership.

Prowse approached Lord Blunkett pretending to be a party insider.

The funnyman made a number of inflammatory comments to the peer, trying to trick him into saying something unguarded.

He suggested Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn should be thrown under a "small taxi", and said he'd "had a word with Mandy [New Labour architect Peter Mandelson]. We're trying to get the old crew back together again."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bbc-refuses-condemn-comedian-who-8313436

sounds like a bit of a poo poo, this unsuccessful comedian

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:04

Ratjaculation: Aug 3, 2007

Ratjac makes a first page bid to become the next thread leader

I'll be on GMTV tomorrow

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:04

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

TheRat posted:

Someone tell me how this is bad for Corbyn please:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/748649078456782849

Less than 99%, clearly a failure of the Corbyn administration.

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:05

Jaminjami: Jan 26, 2015

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/748652708912046080

Gain over Conservatives

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:06

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

Cruel to play that trick on a blind man, but Blunket has eyes on the inside.

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:09

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

TheRat posted:

Someone tell me how this is bad for Corbyn please:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/748649078456782849

probably would have been better if they had won

Jaminjami posted:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/748652708912046080

Gain over Conservatives

every libdem left in the country has moved to leathrerhead

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:10

Ratjaculation: Aug 3, 2007

Why can't we bring back Blair? Was he that evil?

I mean, sure his opening of the portal to the Hellscape was a blip but we can move past

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:10

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Yougov poll of Labour members: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/eprogs4gmc/TimesResults_160630_LabourMembers.pdf

quote:

Do you think Jeremy Corbyn should or should not continue as leader of the Labour party and fight the next general election?
Should lead the Labour party into the next general election: 41%
Should continue to lead the Labour party for the time being but step down before the next general election: 10%
Should step down now as leader of the Labour party: 44%

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:11

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

Ratjaculation posted:

Why can't we bring back Blair? Was he that evil?

I mean, sure his opening of the portal to the Hellscape was a blip but we can move past

It'll be hard for him to do his duties while he's hanging in the Hague.

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:12

sean10mm: Jun 29, 2005; It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

Hate crimes actually up from 63 to over 300 per week.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/30/police-report-fivefold-increase-race-hate-crimes-since-brexit-result

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:12

kustomkarkommando: Oct 22, 2012

Jaminjami posted:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/748652708912046080

Gain over Conservatives

They haven't gone away you know

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:13

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

LemonDrizzle posted:

Yougov poll of Labour members: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/eprogs4gmc/TimesResults_160630_LabourMembers.pdf

A rousing success for the coup!

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:13

Noxville: Dec 7, 2003

Guavanaut posted:

Presumably nothing will happen with advancing Article 50 until October, when we may well be under such luminaries as PM Johnson or Gove.

A lot can change, even in just a day.

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:13

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Noxville posted:

A lot can change, even in just a day.

haha I just edited that to Fox instead. Gove probably the next one to fail, because Gove.

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:15

The Insect Court: Nov 22, 2012; by FactsAreUseless

Corbyn loses support among Labour party membership

quote:

Since Jeremy Corbyn's victory last September YouGov research has consistently shown that Labour party members have stuck by their leader. In fact, it has been conventional wisdom in Westminster that Corbyn's support amongst the Labour membership is rock solid.

However our most recent poll for the Times, carried out entirely after the Brexit vote last Thursday, shows that opinions are shifting fast - his net job approval is reduced to +3, down from +45 just last month.

This is bad for Jeremy :britain:

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:16

vodkat: Jun 30, 2012; cannot legally be sold as vodka

I'm looking forward to this months tread breaking all-time posting records

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:17

vodkat: Jun 30, 2012; cannot legally be sold as vodka

The Insect Court posted:

Corbyn loses support among Labour party membership

This is bad for Jeremy

Until there is someone else for the disaffected to rally around against Corbyn these numbers are useless

and lol at the idea that that person will be Angela Eagle

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:19

Angepain: Jul 13, 2012; what keeps happening to my clothes

vodkat posted:

I'm looking forward to this months tread breaking all-time posting records

Don't be silly, last month so many terrible things happened for us to freak out about, how could things possibly get any wors-oh god of course they will, we will find a way, I know it

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:19

LemonyTang: Nov 29, 2009; Ask me about holding 4gate!

TheRat posted:

Someone tell me how this is bad for Corbyn please:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/748649078456782849

Look, I love JC, but come on.

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/748647555769171968

Not every election went well.

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:19

Fans: Jun 27, 2013; A reptile dysfunction

Tesseraction posted:

A rousing success for the coup!

It's actually not. While more people want him to resign than stay, he's currently winning every matchup, has the confidence of the membership to win an election and is the favorite in pretty much anything you can name. Why they want him to resign anyway is not explained except possibly that they feel the party will simply refuse to work unless he does.

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:20

PiCroft: Jun 11, 2010; I'm sorry, did I break all your shit? I didn't know it was yours

Where are these election results coming from? Has there been by-elections or something?

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:20

qhat: Jul 6, 2015

Ground floor

Get hosed gove

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:20

LemonyTang: Nov 29, 2009; Ask me about holding 4gate!

PiCroft posted:

Where are these election results coming from? Has there been by-elections or something?

Yes

E.g. http://www.luton.gov.uk/news/Pages/Candidates-confirmed-for-High-Town-by-election.aspx

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:22

Fans: Jun 27, 2013; A reptile dysfunction

LemonyTang posted:

Look, I love JC, but come on.

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/748647555769171968

Not every election went well.

Only 3 parties stood in this seat last time it was up for a vote. Council elections are a bad indicator of anything at all.

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:22

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Fans posted:

It's actually not. While more people want him to resign than stay, he's currently winning every matchup, has the confidence of the membership to win an election and is the favorite in pretty much anything you can name. Why they want him to resign anyway is not explained except possibly that they feel the party will simply refuse to work unless he does.

Fans, c'mon m8, I was being sarcastic!

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:23

qhat: Jul 6, 2015

Fans posted:

It's actually not. While more people want him to resign than stay, he's currently winning every matchup, has the confidence of the membership to win an election and is the favorite in pretty much anything you can name. Why they want him to resign anyway is not explained except possibly that they feel the party will simply refuse to work unless he does.

It's true though that just because labour members vote him as leader doesn't necessarily mean that labour voters will vote him in as PM. Those are two different demographics.

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:24

Fans: Jun 27, 2013; A reptile dysfunction

Tesseraction posted:

Fans, c'mon m8, I was being sarcastic!

IT WAS JUST BANTZ?!?!? OKAY MATE LEGEND!

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:24

kustomkarkommando: Oct 22, 2012

PiCroft posted:

Where are these election results coming from? Has there been by-elections or something?

council by elections with dizzyingly high turnouts of 30%

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:24

vodkat: Jun 30, 2012; cannot legally be sold as vodka

LemonyTang posted:

Look, I love JC, but come on.

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/748647555769171968

Not every election went well.

on the bright side the greens came in second :unsmith:

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:24

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

LemonyTang posted:

Look, I love JC, but come on.

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/748647555769171968

Not every election went well.

'Moderates' shedded and Labour still double next highest result.

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:25

Fans: Jun 27, 2013; A reptile dysfunction

qhat posted:

It's true though that just because labour members vote him as leader doesn't necessarily mean that labour voters will vote him in as PM. Those are two different demographics.

He's done fine in every electoral test set so far. "Unelectable" is the refuge of people who don't have an actual reason he can't be PM.

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:25

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Fans posted:

IT WAS JUST BANTZ?!?!? OKAY MATE LEGEND!

*writes "Bozzzzza!!" on sticky label and puts it on u*

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:26

PiCroft: Jun 11, 2010; I'm sorry, did I break all your shit? I didn't know it was yours

oh i see. things are so loving mental at the moment for all I know an actual GE had taken place, or another referendum without me knowing

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:27

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# ? May 3, 2024 07:11

TomViolence: Feb 19, 2013; PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

My reaction when no Govation in the OP.

# ? Jul 1, 2016 00:27

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