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Anyone who tells you comics sucked in the 90s is full of poo poo*. I loving loved Milestone Comics and nothing sums that line up better than the first linewide crossover they did, Long Hot Summer. The villain wasn't some huge godmoding rear end in a top hat, or a space alien landing to unite everyone, or whatever the hell. It was gentrification, racial tension, and a lot of powerless people. Someone greenlit, wrote, drew, inked, and published what was basically Do The Right Thing with superheroes in the middle of 1995.  The city of Dakota had a hosed up road to get there. When you take all the gangbangers in the city, hit 'em all with mutagen, and the survivors come out superpowered, turf wars escalate to some new heights. So when a corporation came in and decided to pitch to the city that some of those wrecked lots and empty space were gonna be a theme park, and "restore" the area around it, the results were mixed. You get new characters, old cast, and the stories of a lot of the businesses and places that were just background in other books.  And it wasn't just black and white. Sure, some small businesses and local color was gonna eat it, but running a whole theme park meant jobs. It meant construction work. It meant security, which actually allowed some villains and more colorful characters to collect a check for the first time, because why the hell would you not hire someone who can handle a metahuman threat in the town that birthed them? And above all, the story was never going "YEP THIS IS WRONG". There was nuance. There was hope. There was hurt.  And then there was a motherfucking riot when the people who lived there, worked there, built and demolished the place realized not everyone got in.  I love Long Hot Summer, because as I grew up, I was a huge Milestone fan. I loved Static, but this was a story about his world, his people, his folks, and all these other characters that I realized I could be looking at too. This is where I started trying the other books, and eventually went back to collect some back issues.  And the best thing is, it was three issues, some fallout in the other books... and that was it. It was an organic event that didn't derail books forever, or delay beyond its welcome, or anything. To me, this is one of those Perfect Crossovers: you use a set of characters in a story and when it's done, it still happened, but it didn't try to REDEFINE EVERYTHING, or CREATE AN ALL NEW STATUS QUO or whatever the gently caress. Some things changed, but life went on. Dakota was still there, even if Paris Island was just a new kind of trashed at the end.   I grew up in Southern California. When I was a kid, the LA riots happened. So to see a story that went "Yeah, poo poo's still tense" as I could drive for a little and see the scars, maybe if we took a trip to Disneyland? Realest drat thing I ever saw in comics. 2016 is hosed up, but drat it doesn't feel quite so hot anymore**. * Or a huge racist. I knew one dude who only referred to Milestone as "the dudes with [racial slur] Spidey" ** Metaphorically, before someone brings up global warming
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 That is a god drat good OP.
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Jul 1, 2016 08:02
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Where is the new thread? Who is doing it? Edit: good op Mr Hootington fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Jul 1, 2016 |
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Jul 1, 2016 08:58
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It's actually pretty cold for July up here due to climate change. I saw that Al Gore movie and when poo poo finally goes wrong, I'm gonna be one of the first to freeze to death.
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Jul 1, 2016 09:31
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I have made a terrible mistake tonight lol
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Jul 1, 2016 10:43
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The hell'd you do? I'm trying to decide if I want to impulse buy some poo poo on Steam before sale's over.
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Jul 1, 2016 10:46
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Lol if you think the 90s is anything but the decade between the 80s and the 00s.
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Jul 1, 2016 10:52
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Was Milestone's stuff collected in trades? I'm assuming if so they're out of print. The OP post has me sold and wanting to check out their stuff now.
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Jul 1, 2016 12:31
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Ghostlight posted:Lol if you think the 90s is anything but the decade between the 80s and the 00s. The 90s is better than the 80s and I can prove it. Fact 1: It's not the 80s. Theory proven.
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Jul 1, 2016 13:35
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If it were somehow possible, I would live in the 90s forever.
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Jul 1, 2016 13:37
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the 80s and the 90s both ruled, though.WickedHate posted:If it were somehow possible, I would live in the 90s forever. Dan DiDio has some pamphlets for you.
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Jul 1, 2016 13:39
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90s Sega advertising is my aesthetic
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Jul 1, 2016 13:42
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Travis343 posted:the 80s and the 90s both ruled, though. No. Some pop culture in the 80s was great, but living through them was awful.
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Jul 1, 2016 13:50
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Lurdiak posted:No. Some pop culture in the 80s was great, but living through them was awful. I was seven years old at the end of the decade so as far as I was concerned everything ruled. Good thing I've grown up enough to realize how severely the opposite of that is true for every decade of human existence 
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Jul 1, 2016 14:03
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My problem with the 80s is that people who grew up during that time are middle aged now so media is geared toward them, as though "being a kid" is synonymous with that decade.
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Jul 1, 2016 14:03
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The 80s was a really weak decade for movies outside of action blockbusters. There are still a bunch of classics, but it compares poorly to the 70s or 90s. Also the idea of a warm July is weird.
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Jul 1, 2016 14:07
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Good OP, OP. I've never read a Milestone comic, and honestly, I probably never will, but that was a quality write-up. I grew up in the 80s (born in Oh-79) but the 90s is where all the best pop cultures come from, in all forms. redbackground fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Jul 1, 2016 |
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Jul 1, 2016 14:21
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I was born in '91. I cannot remember anything specific about the 90s other than they were pretty good.
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Jul 1, 2016 14:40
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DrProsek posted:I was born in '91. I cannot remember anything specific about the 90s other than they were pretty good. Rap music and creative soft drinks were involved.
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Jul 1, 2016 14:42
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The late 80s and early 90s had some pretty culturally significant hip hop. Of course the type of people who idolize the 80s probably consider that a bad thing.
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Jul 1, 2016 14:51
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Hip hop only got good in the 90s. There are a few exceptions but most rap before that decade is pretty terrible.
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Jul 1, 2016 15:02
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WickedHate posted:Hip hop only got good in the 90s. There are a few exceptions but most rap before that decade is pretty terrible. Grandmaster Flash exists, you terrible infant.
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Jul 1, 2016 15:08
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I didn't say rappers back then weren't influential or essential to the development of the art form, but as anything other foundation, to listen to in this day and age, it's just kind of silly.
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Jul 1, 2016 15:12
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OP's OP reminds me that the bulk of the original Static series was never collected in trade and some of those final issues sell for $25+ each due to the low print run.
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Jul 1, 2016 15:38
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redbackground posted:
You were born in 1079?
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Jul 1, 2016 16:09
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Wildstorm was pretty neat, but the 90s outside of the best rap there ever was until the mid-late 2000s when KanYe/etc hit the scene and made people stop the faux gangsta rap bullshit that poisoned the early 2000s were pretty much a cultural wasteland. Television, video games, comics, music outside of rap, all just...a deep, deep embarrassment.
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Jul 1, 2016 16:12
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JoshTheStampede posted:You were born in 1079?
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Jul 1, 2016 16:13
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WickedHate posted:I didn't say rappers back then weren't influential or essential to the development of the art form, but as anything other foundation, to listen to in this day and age, it's just kind of silly. The is ridiculous to say. It holds up on its own, and it is still amazing to listen to. That is like saying that old comics/movies are not good as they are only the foundation.
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Jul 1, 2016 16:26
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bobkatt013 posted:The is ridiculous to say. It holds up on its own, and it is still amazing to listen to. That is like saying that old comics/movies are not good as they are only the foundation. I wouldn't go so far as to say they aren't good but this is basically true for me. I respect what teh Silver Age did for the medium and we wouldn't be here without it but I can't stand to read that stuff now. Anything before like the mid-80s is pulling teeth for me. Same with listening to Rapper's Delight as anything but a joke.
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Jul 1, 2016 16:36
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JoshTheStampede posted:with listening to Rapper's Delight as anything but a joke. gently caress you say?
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Jul 1, 2016 16:39
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I hate young people.
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Jul 1, 2016 16:45
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Why the gently caress are my tax dollars funding public schools if every kid is still not learning a loving thing
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Jul 1, 2016 16:53
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Flava Flav was wrong, it's you drat kids that are a joke.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:00
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WickedHate posted:I didn't say rappers back then weren't influential or essential to the development of the art form, but as anything other foundation, to listen to in this day and age, it's just kind of silly. have you ever like, actually listened to any of it you loving drooling lobotomy patient
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Jul 1, 2016 17:01
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WickedHate posted:Hip hop only got good in the 90s. There are a few exceptions but most rap before that decade is pretty terrible. Your favorite band is Hollywood Undead. Edit: 80's thrash and death metal was the poo poo. Lencho fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Jul 1, 2016 |
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Jul 1, 2016 17:23
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Lencho posted:Your favorite band is Hollywood Undead. That sounds like some monster high tie in band
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Jul 1, 2016 17:26
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Also it's Canada Day, so let us take some time to think about my beloved squad of incompetents, Alpha Flight. 
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Jul 1, 2016 17:27
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End Me Scoob, your username/avatar/text combo has been haunting me. It is genuinely disturbing and I think now is finally the time to ask: Where is all that from, why is Velma desperately begging for death from Scooby Doo?
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Jul 1, 2016 17:49
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Know what is cool? 70s rap. Wanna know what else is cool? 80s rap. Another thing that is cool? 90s rap. Yet another thing? 00s rap. And finally? 10s rap. What I'm saying is that rap is good and cool and like most forms of music changes and shifts with the times and that's a good thing.
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It's not like I'm poo poo-talking Lupe Fiasco over here.
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