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Snow Cone Capone posted:Also, I would guess that just like today, if you went into a restaurant from a culture/alien race you weren't intimately familiar with, you'd expect to find at least a few things on the menu you've never even heard of. I assume you could go "computer, list and describe popular Ethiopian dinner entrees" and have the replicator make one that sounded good, but it wouldn't really be the same. Eddington actually just suffered from choice overload whenever he ordered from a replicator, and so just ordered exactly the same meal every time until he was stuck on a colony where he had to eat whatever was available.
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Brawnfire posted:Mirror Georgiou angrily trying to work around the intelligent species meat lockouts on the replicator "what if it was a really stupid Andorian?!"
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Seeing as how the replicators serve a lot of people, with different needs and preferences, yet will also complain about nutrition when somebody gets too clever with it, I think we can assume that replicator recipes are generally made to appeal to the common denominator, while being good for you. A "cheeseburger" will give you something akin to a McDonald's cheeseburger made out of high-tech health-conscious faux-meat etc. Simply spending time with the replicator to make something not standardized to appeal across the galaxy is going to be a big improvement for many, which is why we see it as a common date activity. Likewise, tracking down real food will give you those life-shortening but yummy fats and sugars that starfleet ideology cannot make our lizard brain stop craving. thotsky fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Jun 11, 2021 |
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Lizard Combatant posted:My take on replicated food is that it's indistinguishable from the real deal except that that it's always the same. Ordering a cheeseburger or a loaf of bread is always the same recipe unless someone programs their own take. A tomato is always the same tomato over and over. There's a difference between replicating the raw ingredients and making it yourself and even more so when you grow the food. It's not that it tastes worse, just that after decades of eating it you can tell the difference. That Picard scene would have been fine too if they just had a throw away line about running on reduced power or something due to all the extra ship production going on in a hurry, or something. Instead it was just a baffling 20th century coded thing from lazy writers.
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I have to think there's a large prestige thing too. Like you can replicate any clothes you want but Garak still does business. In the same way people today will spend more for the skilled labour of a handcrafted item even if it's not strictly better.
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FlamingLiberal posted:He's still doing that poo poo? I thought Paramount C&D'd him? The lawsuit was settled a few years ago. As part of the settlement, Peters said that he would no longer try to do any crowdfunding for Axanar (something that he backtracked on before the ink was dry). He's a colossal shithead.
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Timby posted:The lawsuit was settled a few years ago. As part of the settlement, Peters said that he would no longer try to do any crowdfunding for Axanar (something that he backtracked on before the ink was dry).
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Paramount actually keeps trying to take a hit out on him but all the bounty hunters they hire think he's too pathetic to kill "This guy's life is an amateur Star Trek production? To the point he's tried to defend it in court, lost, and kept on trying? That's... Nah, not me. Find someone more coldblooded."
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I just saw the TNG 2-parter 'Gambit' and I thought it was fantastic. I'm almost done with this TNG rewatch, so far I had a wonderful time.
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Lizard Combatant posted:My take on replicated food is that it's indistinguishable from the real deal except that that it's always the same. Ordering a cheeseburger or a loaf of bread is always the same recipe unless someone programs their own take. A tomato is always the same tomato over and over. There's a difference between replicating the raw ingredients and making it yourself and even more so when you grow the food. It's not that it tastes worse, just that after decades of eating it you can tell the difference. There's no reason to make replicators worse than perfect. There's something to be said about the nostalgia and homesickness felt or alleviated through food, you can certainly psyche yourself into enjoying food less, the enjoyment of any given meal is more than just the taste alone. But the taste part is perfect, down to the molecular level. It wouldn't be the same every time, it would be trivial to replicate a variety of the same ingredients so that not every meal is atomically identical, they can program in a wilted tomato and lettuce sometimes if you love that gamble. They could also choose to make perfectly identical copies every time, I reckon there are plenty of folks for one reason or other prefer to eat the same predictable things forever, provides a comfort to them in another way. It's a magic box that can make anything and also deconstruct anything. I can't pretend to know what contrivances could explain that mars slop in-universe, but given the technology of replicators, it was someone's choice to make the food that particular way. Having amazing food would be a top priority on starships and remote research bases and camps. SmarterEveryDay dude did a series of vids in a nuclear submarine and there was a lot of resources, time, energy, thought, put into the meals since it was a huge component of morale and keeping folks working optimally with weird schedules and being trapped in relatively tight quarters. Have seen similar vids about Antarctic facilities where even with very limited resupply and stuff they put a lot of energy into making even endless leftovers recycling into something folks enjoy and look forward to.
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John F Bennett posted:I just saw the TNG 2-parter 'Gambit' and I thought it was fantastic. It's a fun change of pace, in large part because they finally got a violate a Roddenberry Rule and do space pirates. The Gol Stone is a little underwhelming as a weapon, though. It can kill one person at a time, at close range, and then only if the target is in an aggressive mood. I mean, a bog standard phaser would do the same job better and more reliably. Still, it does make for a nice little piece of symbolism about peace overcoming violence, so hey, I'll take it.
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Powered Descent posted:It's a fun change of pace, in large part because they finally got a violate a Roddenberry Rule and do space pirates. I've always assumed it's way more impressive when you're fighting an entire army. Just thousands of people charging over a hill and then the Gol Stone uses all of the aggression and releases a big psychic kill wave.
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Khanstant posted:Plus if everyone was like "oh boy this replicator perfect food is so great, not looking forward to having to eat dirty ol' ground food some folks put their hands and skin cells into" then Neelix would be out of a job nobody gave him. I'm not sure if I'm missing some sarcasm, but the Voyager crew's constantly complaining about Neelix's cooking, and replicator rations are viewed as a treat. Granted the complaint is less that someone manually cooked it and more that Neelix is bad at cooking (or is limited by the available ingredients). Powered Descent posted:It's a fun change of pace, in large part because they finally got a violate a Roddenberry Rule and do space pirates. I've read the anecdote where they got Berman to grudgingly grant dispensation to break the rule, but honestly it had already been broken with Rascals (and Samaritan Snare, arguably).
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In my head canon the computer remembers your preferences and people who serve on starships and eat replicated food every day spend a bunch of free time tweaking the recipes. This conflicts with Picard always having to specify Earl Grey and the temperature though. The computer should know which tea he wants if he doesn't specify. Maybe he's just weird and never bothered to program the thing, like people who don't use bookmarks and just Google for their email every day. They don't taste "right" though because like people are saying even with crazy future technology you can't make a hamburger, fries and milkshake that perfectly fits your nutrition needs and also tastes like the version with 800% of your recommended daily fat.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I'm not sure if I'm missing some sarcasm, but the Voyager crew's constantly complaining about Neelix's cooking, and replicator rations are viewed as a treat. Yeah I was just taking a swipe at Neelix. Mr. Prokosch posted:They don't taste "right" though because like people are saying even with crazy future technology you can't make a hamburger, fries and milkshake that perfectly fits your nutrition needs and also tastes like the version with 800% of your recommended daily fat. That's the one area where my idea of perfect replication breaks down. It's hard for me to imagine something that is supposed to taste like fat and sugar exactly, to the molecular level, which would mean it is atomically what you'd expect including the nutritional value of the og food material. Even though it's scifi and you work backwards from the conclusion that they somehow made unhealthy food healthy. If I were in charge you'd eat the unhealthy food and they just beam the food out of your intestines and beam in the good nutrients in their place. Then again that'd be a mindfuck to eat something and then either get no expected burps or burps of different food. You know what, I bet farting a burping is eliminated a bunch by the scifi nutrition. Maybe in Trek farts aren't funny anymore, they're worrying, an open sign of illness.
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Khanstant posted:Yeah I was just taking a swipe at Neelix. I think they haven't cured farts, but that's because of Bolian lobbying
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Powered Descent posted:It's a fun change of pace, in large part because they finally got a violate a Roddenberry Rule and do space pirates. WANT.
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nine-gear crow posted:Where will YOU be when the inertial dampeners fail? Depends how far away (and how strong) the wall behind me is.
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Timby posted:The lawsuit was settled a few years ago. As part of the settlement, Peters said that he would no longer try to do any crowdfunding for Axanar (something that he backtracked on before the ink was dry). Hard to tell if he's still funding the studios, but he is now selling multiple brands of 'Axanar swag' that ranges from $8-14 pins to $90 resin kits and models of his imaginary StarFleet ships along with a gaggle of T-shirts to $300 'pretend my ship is canon' USS Ares plaques. He even has the gall to sell 'Mystery Boxes' which might contain his toupee from Axanar or torn up fragments of utility bills his studio runs up. Particularly slimy is that he's selling 8 * 10 glossies of Richard Hatch dressed as Kharn, the Klingon war leader from his weird little film. Hatch is dead, but Peters somehow hornswoggled him into signing a stack of those glosses at some point before he died. He's selling Tony Todd ones for $50.. Most of his merchandise appears to have been created to steadfastly avoid copyrighted material but drat some of it is so close.. Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Jun 12, 2021 |
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You can make a replicator make something that is bad for you if you specifically request it, such as non-synthahol booze, but most standard recipes appear to be created with nutrition in mind, so much so that if you simply ask for a chocolate cake you will get something that is good for you. That's got to affect flavor. Even if we set aside this compromise, the lack of variation and presumably bland standardization, replicator recipes are only as good as the person programming them, with examples of characters claiming recipes sometime come close but miss essential elements, presumably because of ignorance or insufficient skill.
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Awesome. Wanna replace that screen with OLED, though, LCD backlighting doesn't work great with the LCARS look. Needs perfect black.
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LividLiquid posted:Roddenberry didn't want space pirates? He hated the idea, he thought it was a cheap and played-out trope. Berman kept a bust of Roddenberry on his desk, and (the story goes) he put a blindfold on it when they were writing Gambit.
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Powered Descent posted:He hated the idea, he thought it was a cheap and played-out trope. I'm amused by the notion that Rick Berman had both the sense of shame and self awareness to even do that.
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nine-gear crow posted:Where will YOU be when the inertial dampeners fail? Don't run across the bridge when the captain says, "Brace for impact." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qKs5MnrFl0 Also on replicator chat, how does programming it work? Does some pointdexter have to code in a mass of molecular diagrams, or can you just slam your mom's famous chilli into the replicator and say, "Computer, decompile and save as pattern 'Chilli'."?
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Shyrka posted:Don't run across the bridge when the captain says, "Brace for impact." Don't see why the latter wouldn't work. Probably the early models had to be manually programmed. That would have been fun to see in Enterprise, like so many other things that were not in Enterprise.
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Shyrka posted:Also on replicator chat, how does programming it work? Does some pointdexter have to code in a mass of molecular diagrams, or can you just slam your mom's famous chilli into the replicator and say, "Computer, decompile and save as pattern 'Chilli'."? I can see it doing that easily. On a related note, I reason that there’s a bunch of minute variation in meals. For example, I can imagine there’s about 20 different cheeseburgers programmed into the replicator, all the same bun, meat, cheese combo recipe, but with minor variations on salt, fat, seasoning, etc, so you’re not getting exactly the same cheeseburger every time.
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Everyone is a programmer on star trek.
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John F Bennett posted:Everyone is a programmer on star trek. The dream of my high school counselor, realized at last.
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John F Bennett posted:Everyone is a programmer on star trek. My personal head-canon is that Starfleet is held together by an extensive black market of people programming and trading replicator recipes. Probably with incredibly long preambles "ohh I learnt this recipe on a trip to an Andorian spice-freighter, it was given to me by a yadda yadda yadda"
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Strom Cuzewon posted:My personal head-canon is that Starfleet is held together by an extensive black market of people programming and trading replicator recipes. Probably with incredibly long preambles "ohh I learnt this recipe on a trip to an Andorian spice-freighter, it was given to me by a yadda yadda yadda" It's the real reason that they transfer crew around. Gotta swap recipies.
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Shyrka posted:can you just slam your mom's famous chilli into the replicator and say, "Computer, decompile and save as pattern 'Chilli'."? This is half of how the transporter works, so one can only assume they can make a copy of some chili.
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