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Tighclops posted:That's awesome. Star Trek should have more of that and less "we have to fight the space terrorists to protect Our Way of Life" Just because people live in a pastoral garden in northern California in some cases and have pet leopards doesn't mean they wouldn't have problems, and I agree having people "not have problems" sucks, but I think that's one of the unique Trek "brand points" if we wanna get all markety. The future may suck, but it sucks in new, different ways, which derive from situations which were better than our own. Like I remember there was that Native American colony planet. That's kind of ridiculous and could easily be rendered as "reservation planet," but at the same time, Holy poo poo, the Federation gave Native Americans an entire loving planet. Hopefully in addition to retaining their own territories on Earth! Hell, they could do with more weird colony planets. It'd be a way to have monocultures and save on budget (because they would probably not have a poo poo ton of people, even after a few hundred years). They'll have to do this anyway if it's in the Kelvin timeline, if they intend to have any Vulcan story content.
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Nessus posted:Just because people live in a pastoral garden in northern California in some cases and have pet leopards doesn't mean they wouldn't have problems, and I agree having people "not have problems" sucks, but I think that's one of the unique Trek "brand points" if we wanna get all markety. The future may suck, but it sucks in new, different ways, which derive from situations which were better than our own. The future sucks for other people, because Star Trek is not about the Federation.
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Don't know if this has been mentioned, but for UK goons, Netflix now has TNG, DS9 and Voyager. TNG is the HD remaster. I watched a few first season episodes and I've never heard anyone talk about Patrick Stewart's comedy chops in The Naked Now. Discuss.
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Got to chat with Grand Magus Zek at a socialist conference this past weekend. He's cool and definitely not a fan of Ferengi economic policies.
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apophenium posted:Got to chat with Grand Magus Zek at a socialist conference this past weekend. He's cool and definitely not a fan of Ferengi economic policies. That's up there with the fact that Armin Shimerman was on the board of the Screen Actors Guild while he was filming the DS9 episode Bar Association (the one where Rom unionizes Quark's bar).
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I personally support painting Kirk as a war criminal. After all, his friend Montgomery Scott is a rapist and murderer.
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apophenium posted:Got to chat with Grand Magus Zek at a socialist conference this past weekend. He's cool and definitely not a fan of Ferengi economic policies. I call bull. Rom was the pinko socialist Grand Nagus, not Zek. Rom even tried to start a union once! Sometimes I really want to see a series set after DS9 and VOY because I'd like to see how Ferengi and Cardassian society changes afterwards. It very much seems like Rom reforms the Ferengi and they probably join the Federation later. Instant Sunrise posted:That's up there with the fact that Armin Shimerman was on the board of the Screen Actors Guild while he was filming the DS9 episode Bar Association (the one where Rom unionizes Quark's bar). Armin Shimerman also showed up in Atlas Shrugged... yikes.
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apophenium posted:Got to chat with Grand Magus Zek at a socialist conference this past weekend. He's cool and definitely not a fan of Ferengi economic policies. That's hilarious, and I really wish he would have gone to a socialist conference in makeup and refused to break character.
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I stumbled upon my GIF album on Google Photos and found some Star Trek ones. Enjoy!    
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counterfeitsaint posted:That's hilarious, and I really wish he would have gone to a socialist conference in makeup and refused to break character. One time when filming an episode of DS9 there was an earthquake of small to medium size for California. Filming was put on hold while everyone tried to find out if their homes and loved ones were okay. Armin rushed home to check for damage, and gave a lift to two Cardassian characters who lived nearby. They were all in full makeup and costume, and Armin drove a convertible. No reports of an Orson Wells style invasion hysteria though, sadly. Baka-nin fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Jul 6, 2016 |
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I can't even imagine convertible breeze while wearing gigantic Ferengi ears.
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Baka-nin posted:One time when filming an episode of DS9 there was an earthquake of small to medium size for California. Filming was put on hold while everyone tried to find out if their homes and loved ones were okay. Armin rushed home to check for damage, and gave a lift to two Cardassian characters who lived nearby. They were all in full makeup and costume, and Armin drove a convertible. No reports of an Orson Wells style invasion hysteria though, sadly. Was that the Northridge earthquake? Edit: It was, and it happened during the filming of "Profit and Loss." Instant Sunrise fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Jul 6, 2016 |
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:While I generally hate Roddenberry's insistence on making Star Trek a completely boring utopia and note that the movies where he is least involved are the best Roddenberry had literally zero involvement in the movies after The Motion Picture.
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Timby posted:Roddenberry had literally zero involvement in the movies after The Motion Picture. Isn't that what he said? 
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He did get copied on script drafts... and proceeded to leak details from them to the fans.
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Was G-Rod the one who leaked that Spock was going to die in TWOK? I do know that that leak forced Meyer to rewrite TWOK a fair bit, moving Spock's actual death to the end of the movie and adding a fakeout death to the Kobayashi Maru scene in the beginning. Instant Sunrise fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Jul 7, 2016 |
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So gene was a complete rear end in a top hat.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I can't even imagine convertible breeze while wearing gigantic Ferengi ears. probably felt great on the lobes
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Instant Sunrise posted:Was G-Rod the one who leaked that Spock was going to die in TWOK? I think so. I'm pretty sure he leaked the Enterprise getting blown up in TSFS.
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Cojawfee posted:So gene was a complete rear end in a top hat. Oh yeah. Douchbag supreme. Star Wars fans can take solace in knowing George Lucas will never be as much of a dick, unless any Jimmy Sevile-esque secrets get revealed.
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WickedHate posted:Oh yeah. Douchbag supreme. Star Wars fans can take solace in knowing George Lucas will never be as much of a dick, unless any Jimmy Sevile-esque secrets get revealed. I mean, George Lucas never wrote lyrics for the Star Wars theme song that were never intended to be used just so he could take half of John Williams' royalties.
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Sash! posted:probably felt great on the lobes Oomoks!
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Timby posted:Roddenberry had literally zero involvement in the movies after The Motion Picture. I did misspeak--generally what I meant to say was "Star Trek II and VI both owned and Roddenberry hated them," because as a somewhat bizarre utopian thinker, Roddenberry quite simply didn't believe that human conflict could exist in his concept of the future, which managed to somehow be both boring and borderline insane. Roddenberry was basically walled out of contractual creative control over the movies, and yet was a constant presence that had to either be appeased or ignored.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Roddenberry was basically walled out of contractual creative control over the movies, and yet was a constant presence that had to either be appeased or ignored. Did he need to be appeased as far as the movies went? IIRC he was pissed off throughout the entire ordeal, hence his multiple attempts at sabotage via leaks. He definitely had a tighter hold over TNG, though.
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Contractually, he had to be given the scripts to read and he could give notes, but the producers/writers and directors were under no obligation to follow those notes. i.e. if Gene read the script for Wrath of Khan and came back the note that said "Saavik should have huge tits and hate clothes." Meyer and Bennett were not under any legal or contractual requirement to do that. Instant Sunrise fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Jul 7, 2016 |
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WickedHate posted:Did he need to be appeased as far as the movies went? IIRC he was pissed off throughout the entire ordeal, hence his multiple attempts at sabotage via leaks. He definitely had a tighter hold over TNG, though. By then Roddenberry was well-known as the godfather of the franchise, and while he didn't have creative control, things like meetups between Nicholas Meyer and Gene Roddenberry and their associated "people" happened, at which they more or less argued viciously. There was hesitation at the idea of upsetting Gene. On TNG, Roddenberry had the reins until he became ill, and because of Roddenberry's influence, the first season is just not very good and the writing team was constantly in a state of civil war.
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Chaos on the bridge is a good watch to see how much Gene really hosed up early TNG.
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And his lawyer.
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I have a feeling that the list of things that Gene did that weren't awful is fewer than the number of fingers I have on one hand.
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How many other shows had a letter writing campaign to save a character who hadn't even appeared on the show at the time?
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If you really wanna destroy auteur theory, you could write a thesis on Gene. Pretty much everything besides the initial concept came from other people. He's somewhere between Bob Kane and Stan Lee.
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Instant Sunrise posted:How many other shows had a letter writing campaign to save a character who hadn't even appeared on the show at the time? wait what
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Star Man posted:wait what The actor who played the chief engineer in like three episodes of TNG season one started a letter writing campaign with his friends and family to try and get his role made permanent... before any of the episodes he was in had aired.
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Which is what subsequently got him fired.
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Star Man posted:wait what Remember Chief Engineer Argyle? One of the chief engineers during TNG season 1? One of ideas they had for season 1 was that the Ent-D was too large and complex for one chief engineer to handle, so they had like 4 that they'd rotate through on the show. For the guy who played Argyle, he very much wanted to be the only engineer on the enterprise, so his agent started a "save Chief Argyle" campaign. Only they jumped the gun and started sending "save chief argyle postcards" before any of the episodes with him in it even aired.
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How could you accuse such an innocent-looking guy of something so nefarious??
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sunday at work posted:The actor who played the chief engineer in like three episodes of TNG season one started a letter writing campaign with his friends and family to try and get his role made permanent... before any of the episodes he was in had aired. Weird. Instead, we got that one lady to play the role in "The Naked Now" and she was never seen again. And Gene liked Frakes's beard that he grew between seasons one and two and told him to keep it because it made him look more nautical. I'm okay with that decision.
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Man early TNG was so drat ugly before they figured out a good looking color scheme for the Okudagrams.
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Star Man posted:And Gene liked Frakes's beard that he grew between seasons one and two and told him to keep it because it made him look more nautical. I'm okay with that decision. He also made sure there was a scene in the pilot set in Engineering so they'd have to build a set for it, or else the entire show would have mostly just used the bridge.
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