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So I was talking to my roommate about Star Trek and the logistics of it all and I stumbled upon the most confounding mystery of Star Trek. To us, at least. So, the Federation is a post-scarcity, money free economy. Nobody really has to work and people go into starfleet and build spaceships and stuff because if they didn't, they'd get really bored or just gently caress holograms all day. Food, clothing and the like can be made with replicators, so money isn't needed. Okay, I can buy that. They have almost unlimited energy and resources. But... then there's Sisko's dad. His dad has this Cajun restaurant in New Orleans. And this got me thinking. What about real estate? Sure, people colonize other planets, but who determines where you get to live on Earth? Sisko's dad has this restaurant with cooks and waiters who work for free. Did the Federation just give him the land to have a restaurant? How do they determine who gets to set up a restaurant in this location or a house somewhere else? You can replicate food and clothes, but you can't replicate land. Likewise, I was watching an episode of Voyager and Barclay has this big, swanky apartment on earth. So basically we decided that the greatest mystery of Star Trek is how real estate works in an economy with no money. Met posted:
Wish she showed up in more episodes. They were actually thinking of doing a romance between her and Worf which would have been... different.
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So I've been watching Voyager because I ran out of good Star Trek. I haven't been watching every episode and just doing the higher rated ones and those significant for continuity. A friend of mine was interested in watching some Trek so I made a google doc of the "must watch" episodes. I stole the ones for Voyager and Enterprise from reddit as I'm not super familiar with those. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E-94j3l56UtoTVtc8sRW5vlqsXciDfcFlfvfJVsAW80/edit?usp=sharing There's a few good ones here and there. I like the one where the Doctor goes to the USS Prometheus and meets Andy Dick. And the Equinox was good. I just watched the one where Ensign Kim's girlfriend comes back from the dead as a Kobali. I kinda liked that one because she was kinda cute when they gave her some hair, even though she's still a living corpse. As per usual, one of Voyager's guest stars is more interesting and likable than the actual cast and I was just wishing she was a main character.  WickedHate posted:This was talked about a lot before in the last thread. For my money, basic janitorial stuff is handled by robots and/or other advanced tech, and land is granted on a meritocratic basis. Sisko's dad makes good cajun food so who ever runs that area of the planet gives him a license to run a restaurant in that area on the basis of being culturally significant. I wish we saw more robots in Star Trek.
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Astroman posted:I hate that episode with the fury of a thousand suns. Well... the whole point of the episode is that she wasn't really Ensign Ballard anymore. She had some of her memories, and was recycled from her remains, but wasn't really the same person. She couldn't remember her father and thought in Kobali. Ultimately, she decided to go back to the Kobali. Janeway and Kim were more than willing to blow up the Kobali ships with her new family on them. The real problem with that episode is if you can't reproduce normally... why resurrect corpses of other species to reproduce? Why not use the dead of your own species? And while you're at it, why not just make clones? MikeJF posted:I'd love it if Trek 2017 visits Earth and the entire moon is enclosed in a bubble and the surface is a verdant paradise. It would be cool if Star Trek had a bunch of Gundam-esque orbital space colonies around Earth. Mostly because they look cool. It's a neat image to look up and instead of seeing the sky, you see more ground with some upside-down people on it. It's kind of surreal but still physically possible. Star Trek wouldn't have to make rotating habitats like these because they have artificial gravity technology, but they just look cool.   A few days ago I was thinking about what a future Enterprise should be like, and I got a cool idea that's kinda similar. You know how the Enterprise-D was supposed to be a "city in space" but really doesn't come across as that? Well, take that concept and take it a few steps further. Okay, so starfleet ships have a saucer section. Now imagine literal cities and forests on the top and bottom of that saucer section. They're covered by a dome made out of a futuristic material that is normally transparent, but can become opaque when the need arises, giving the ship a more "traditional" look. During day cycles the saucer is opaque and a holographic sky is projected on the dome. At "night", it becomes transparent and you see space around you. Sandwiched in between the two cities on top and the bottom of the saucer is a middle section that always remains opaque and has more typical starship places like laboratories, sickbay, cargo bays, etc. Maybe the bridge is in this middle portion, or its atop a column in the middle of the dome. The rest of the ship has no real "windows" - walls just become transparent when someone wants them to be.
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apophenium posted:Got to chat with Grand Magus Zek at a socialist conference this past weekend. He's cool and definitely not a fan of Ferengi economic policies. I call bull. Rom was the pinko socialist Grand Nagus, not Zek. Rom even tried to start a union once! Sometimes I really want to see a series set after DS9 and VOY because I'd like to see how Ferengi and Cardassian society changes afterwards. It very much seems like Rom reforms the Ferengi and they probably join the Federation later. Instant Sunrise posted:That's up there with the fact that Armin Shimerman was on the board of the Screen Actors Guild while he was filming the DS9 episode Bar Association (the one where Rom unionizes Quark's bar). Armin Shimerman also showed up in Atlas Shrugged... yikes.
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Finally. It's been my head-canon for years anyway. Man, "head-canon" is really a dumb term. MikeJF posted:Apparently he has a daughter in Beyond, too - I assume she'll be named Demora. Yeah. The thread kinda jumped at me because I assumed Sulu was "canonically straight" because they showed his daughter in Generations, but that doesn't actually mean anything because while they showed a daughter, they never actually said he had a wife...
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I guess you guys are right. On one hand, in TOS, the characters that weren't Kirk\Spock\Bones\Scotty didn't get a lot of characterization. I kinda felt like making Sulu gay would make him a little more unique. He well... didn't really have much of a personality. He had fantasies about swashbuckling and liked botany, I guess? I think because of this, I would often transplant the personality of George Takei into Sulu in my head. Because the real person that is George Takei is an interesting individual, whereas the fictional person that is Sulu kind of... isn't. Zoe Saldana Uhura is extremely different from Nichelle Nichols Uhura, but I was okay with this because well... Uhura was kind of a blank slate. She basically sat there and answered the phone. Star Trek XI gave her a personality. On the other hand, it's weird to make Sulu gay when someone other than George Takei is playing the character. Especially when George Takei himself doesn't really want that. You aren't really honoring George Takei with this if you're going against his wishes and he literally told you not to. Sure, the actors who played these characters down "own" them but acting like you're doing it for George when he said no feels kinda... wrong. But people are also absolutely right that adding a new cast member from out of nowhere into the TOS crew would also be pretty weird and bad. It's like a Poochy or Scrappy Doo kind of thing. You could always bring back Yeoman Rand and make her a lesbian. Talk about a character with zero personality. It would be hilarious to see a gay\bisexual Captain Kirk because if they did that, I bet Bill Shatner's head would explode. I'm okay with pissing Shatner off.
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The_Doctor posted:It would be totally in character for Kirk too, honestly. It would. Captain Kirk is also totally turned on by mountains. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkBVDh7my9Q
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You know, they have transporter tech, so you would think that a full on complete, functional sex change might be possible in Star Trek. As in, actually change chromosomes, fully functional genitalia, wombs, etc. On the other hand, the Federation really hates any genetic modification of any kind because of Khan and the Eugenics wars. They're not terribly fond of cybernetics, either, although they will give people artificial parts if they need them - i.e. Picard's heart and Geordi's eyes. But they really, really frown upon giving you something like super strong robot arms if you already have have two working arms. I'm sure the Borg helped that attitude. The Federation has an almost irrational aversion towards modifying the human body. Bashir's parents were literally thrown in prison because they genetically altered their son. You can replace lost parts or ones that don't work properly, but if you try to improve on the natural human form, you get in serious trouble. Going off on a total tangent here, if you were to do a future Star Trek series, Ghost in the Shell style cyborgs and blurring the line between what is human and what is artificial would make sense, from a tech standpoint. After all, they have created extremely advanced artificial beings such as Data and the EMH. But Federation ideology is explicitly against transhumanism unless attitudes change over time.
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Jadzia Dax is almost definitely bisexual. People always mention that TOS having the first interracial kiss (which it didn't, but was one of the first), DS9 had one of the very first lesbian kisses on TV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lZayNvimSU
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Jul 8, 2016 19:28
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:The TNG movies are all terrible in a number of spectacular ways and are a large part of why the IP took a nosedive that only recovered in 2009. Picard for example forgets his entire characterization arc from the series in First Contact, in hilarious fashion. This is generally agreed to be the "good" TNG movie. I wouldn't say Star Trek is "recovered". ST09 did okay in the box office, but general audiences have kind of forgotten it by now. The only people who really remember it are Trekkies. STID didn't do so hot. Both of them are kind of disposable Hollywood blockbusters and aren't that big in the cultural zestiest. They didn't really bring in a bunch of new fans. In fact, barely any of my friends like Star Trek. I grew up with it in the 90s and I'm one year away from being 30. Almost nobody under 30 likes Star Trek, mainly because the height of the franchise was in the 90s and it slowly declined into obscurity by the end of the decade. The last Star Trek show that was big was TNG. Right now, the "hot" "geeky" things are Star Wars, Game of Thrones, Marvel and Dr. Who. Star Trek is relatively unpopular, mainly because it hasn't been on air for a decade and its last few years on TV sucked. I doubt the new show will really "bring it back" because it's on CBS all access. The only people who will watch it are existing fans, it won't get new ones. So JJTrek hasn't really "revitalized" the franchise, if anything it just kept it running on life support. When the movie came out I was pretty hopeful that it would spawn a new TV series, but it's been 7 years. They waited a long time between movies and finally making a show. ST09 and STID are the only Star Trek things we've gotten since Enterprise was cancelled in 2004. It's been well over a decade since Trek has been on TV. The JJ movies are better than nothing, but for the most part, things feel pretty quiet on the Star Trek front.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Into Darkness was the highest-grossing Star Trek movie yet. It was only a failure in the critical sense. Oh, it was? I thought I heard that it under-performed. Guess I was wrong. Cojawfee posted:Star wars came out. A sci-fi movie can make lots of money so they brought back star trek. They continued with TNG because they still had sets and costumes and people still went to star trek movies. Yeah, if anything brings back Star Trek, it will be Star Wars. I mean, Star Wars is literally why the TOS movies and TNG were even made. And a lot of Trekkies still hate Star Wars. If anything, they should be thankful. bull3964 posted:I think that's the biggest thing. The two recent haven't really brought anything new to the table. Certain things about Star Trek are imbedded in culture. Kirk is a womanizer, you can take out a 7 foot tall lizard with a homemade cannon, there's only one good piece of fighting music, Picard makes it so and does the perfect embodiment of a face palm, resistance is futile... the list goes on. Yeah. I just feel like they haven't really made much of a lasting impression, you know? For one, they probably waited too long between movies and waiting too long for a TV show that will be airing on a subscription service no one will buy to really leave a mark. The amount of actual Star Trek content we've gotten over the past decade has been super, super sparse. All we've really gotten is 2 movies and a mediocre MMO no one plays. GET IN THE ROBOT fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Jul 11, 2016 |
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Timby posted:DS9 was hardly "successful." It's the best Trek television show, by far, but no one watched it. It was a little ahead of its time in that it was a serialized TV show in the age before Netflix. In fact, I'm pretty sure that nobody realized DS9 was good until Netflix became a thing. That said, I'm pretty sure I've read that it has better ratings than Voyager, though.
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Jul 11, 2016 19:35
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Timby posted:The only people who could legitimately think this must have been born in, like, 1997. I was born in '87 but didn't really see DS9 a lot when it aired. Instead I mostly saw the TOS movies, reruns of TNG and a friend of mine really liked Voyager. In my defense, I was like 10 years old when DS9 ended so you can't blame me for being a stupid kid with bad taste. It was only after the show went off the air that I watched it and went "yeah, this is really good!" after being told it was actually very good. I watched it when Netflix had just become a thing and they literally mailed you DVDs instead of having a streaming service, so it was probably around 2007 or so. In fact, it might have been SA that made me watch DS9 because I got an account around then. Edit: also Jesus gently caress, I've been on this dang forum for almost 10 years GET IN THE ROBOT fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Jul 11, 2016 |
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Timby posted:That's what I meant by "no one watched it." The viewership was so low in the early goings that the syndicates just bounced it around its timeslots. I remember one of the season premieres aired in Chicago at midnight on WGN. I didn't even really know when it was on or what channel. I would tune in to random episodes of TNG, VOY and TOS but almost never saw DS9 aired. I didn't really schedule times like "oh, there's a new Star Trek episode at 7pm on X day!" moreso that I would just channel surf and watch random Trek episodes sometimes. I'm pretty sure I mostly used to watch Star Trek on UPN and Sci-Fi when those channels were actually things. I guess SyFy still technically exists.
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Powered Descent posted:My favorite subspecies of that type are the ones who think for some reason that Star Trek is hard science fiction, and look down on all that space fantasy stuff in Star Wars. Yeah... because you know, in real life, aliens would look just like boring white people with funny foreheads glued on sometimes. And we'd totally be able to breed with aliens from other planets and make viable offspring. Oh, and there are multiple planets that are exactly like Earth, except history was slightly different. Like Earth, but the Roman Empire never fell. Or Earth, but with cavemen who were once Americans and Chinese complete with their flags. Or Earth, but with Gangsters. Or Earth, but with Nazis. Oh, and computers explode in peoples' faces all the time and we can just reverse the polarity of the tachyon beams to invert the shield frequency remodulator. Oh, also faster than light travel is totally possible. But watch out and make sure you don't go too fast, or you'll become a lizard. Also you know, there's a lot of people who are under the impression that Star Trek has some rich adherence to consistency and continuity when in reality it contradicts itself all the goddamn time. Especially in TOS. Astroman was going on a rant about this but really, Star Trek has always played very fast and loose with continuity so Enterprise and JJ Trek contradicting things is nothing new at all.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:You mean... Earth? Well, an Earth that still has Nazis. So in other words, this Earth.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:I think people were just happy enough to have a new Star Trek movie that wasn't a total disappointment, despite its weaknesses. Yeah, ST09 was a pretty decent start. Too bad they botched everything they did after it, though. Into Darkness is so bad. The movie seriously has no coherent plot, it's just a bunch of scenes strung together because they had a list of things they wanted in the movie. If they cut out Khan entirely and just focused on Admiral Robocop trying to start a war with the Klingons, it could have been a decent movie. Instead, it's a nonsensical mess. We have Khan smuggling guys in torpedoes and the most cringe-worthy scene in a Trek movie since Star Trek V.
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Asmodai_00 posted:It says something to how loving bad STID was that I don't know exactly which cringe scene you're talking about. You know the one. It's the one. KHAAAAAANNNNNN I think I might unironically like Star Trek V and Generations more than Into Darkness. Insurrection and Nemesis, I dunno, but maybe.
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Timby posted:V and large parts of Generations are far, far superior to most of the Trek movies thus far. Is it opposite day today? Did I wander into CineD by mistake? Star Trek V and Generations loving suck, but there are at least parts of those movies I like. There is nothing I liked about Into Darkness at all. I like Kirk, Spock and Bones going camping. And as a kid, I liked Data going nuts and saying "poo poo". And Picard meeting Kirk in the Nexus was a neat scene. That's about it. They say that "even Trek movies are good, odd ones are bad", but honest I think I like all of them except for Star Trek V, Generations, Insurrection, Nemesis and Into Darkness. By now that rule doesn't really apply. Yes, I actually like Star Trek: the Motionless Picture.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Generations is a great movie that goons regularly slam for little reason. The cinematography alone is an epiphany after 7 years of overlit sets and boring TV camera angles. Data's emotional rollercoaster, McDowell devouring the props and sets in every scene, etc etc. I even love that they finally put the crew on an honest to god schooner in full naval regalia. Stewart and Whoopi nail those Nexus scenes. It's fantastic. The only downside to the whole thing is that the Duras' take down the D instead of a Romulan Warbird, something that was teased for 7 seasons. I can't even fault Kirk's death, the character dies helping to save an entire world. What more could you want? It's definitely the 2nd best TNG movie after First Contact. What really stinks about it is that there's actually glimmers of greatness in there, but the whole thing just winds up so underwhelming. You're probably right, if it had Romulans instead of the Duras sisters, it would almost definitely be more well-liked. Plus, the climax of the film is kind of a wet fart. Picard and Kirk are fighting to save a pre-warp civilization on a planet we haven't ever seen. Why do we as an audience care? Hasn't Picard also let pre-warp civilizations die because of the Prime Directive? Malcom McDowell is good, Data is good and it's nice to see Kirk and Picard share a screen. But Generations just feels very... low-rent. It isn't a satisfying end to either Kirk or the Enterprise-D. Why cookie Rocket posted:That's the thing that makes Into Darkness truly terrible-- at it's core it's an incredible return to form as far as Trek's best and highest purpose: skewering American sociopolitical issues via cowboy scifi. But then they said "nah gently caress that" and buried the best thing about it under layers of focus group approved fan pandering nonsense. Nemesis is god awful but at least it doesn't make me sad to think about how it could've been awesome. Yeah, I can really kind of respect them trying. I thought the movie was trying to say something about the ethics of drone attacks. They really, really botched the execution, though.
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My fantasy Trek movie that would never happen would basically be First Contact... but as a TNG\DS9 crossover. Sisko resents Picard for Wolf 359 and the death of Jennifer. You have a movie where Picard and Sisko are rivals and dislike each other, but have to work together to stop the Borg. In the end, they learn to respect one another and shake hands. A crossover of TNG & DS9 where they fight the Borg would be less continuity heavy and easier for audiences less familiar with DS9 to follow than a Dominion movie because the only episodes audiences would have to know about are "Best of Both Worlds" and "Emissary." That said, I really wish Picard and the Enterprise-E had shown up in the Dominion War sometime in the last season of DS9. bull3964 posted:Another thing about ID that confuses me is these are supposed to be long range torpedoes, but they have their fuel compartment filled with fleshy meat bags. So, if they don't have the fuel to be long range torpedoes, how are they supposed to perform that first strike on the Klingons? I thought Khan was trying to smuggle them in the torpedoes? That said, it's a really, really bizarre plot twist and I'm pretty sure it's like that in the script because they tried to tie different scenes that they wanted together rather than have a plot that flows organically. Also they're like "don't kill Khan, Spock! We need his superman healing blood to make Kirk not dead anymore!" when they have 72 other guys in cold storage. And why does Spock even care about Kirk so much? The Wrath of Khan scene is powerful because Kirk and Spock have been friends for years and have become very close. In STID it makes no sense because in ST09 and STID Kirk and Spock pretty much hate each other and are at each other's throats all the time. It's like how Obi-Wan and Anakin are "supposed" to be good friends when all we see is them bickering constantly. GET IN THE ROBOT fucked around with this message at 13:58 on Jul 12, 2016 |
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McSpanky posted:The problem is the way the script just springs the fact that the planet's inhabited on us practically right before it's about to blow up, like as they were writing it someone literally went "hey I don't think the stakes are high enough, let's put an indigenous population on the planet!", inserted that single line right there and called it a day. The film doesn't put in any work to make us sympathetic towards people we don't know and have never seen, so big surprise, we don't really care about them or feel their loss when the planet goes kaboom. It wouldn't even take that much, like mention in the stellar cartography scene that the Enterprise recently conducted an ethnographic survey in the Veridian system and give Picard some dialog about how rich and fascinating their culture is, something to establish the setting a little. That, or you could just say he's going to blow up a planet that we already know about and\or care about. Maybe not Earth, but something like Vulcan, Betazed, even Qo'noS. Something. Or something like "if this planet blows up, it will destabilize the region and maybe start a galactic war or some other very bad thing." The movie has pretty much no stakes whatsoever. As a member of the audience, I have to say "what are they even fighting for?" That, plus the Enterprise-D getting blown up by an ancient Bird of Prey from Kirk's era is pretty drat underwhelming for a feature film. And Kirk getting killed by a bridge.
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I really like V'Ger and the Whale Probe because they're very mysterious and huge alien vessels. You look at them and immediately get that they're something beyond our understanding. You don't really get very many aliens that are truly, well... alien in Star Trek.
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MikeJF posted:So pyjamas, right? You are scaredy pants. You wear pyjamas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTLHy7kwHnU
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Yeah, that episode is majorly hosed up. I mean, I would probably be mad if someone cloned me without my consent, but I wouldn't go ahead and MURDER my drat clone afterwards.
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If you hosed your clone, would that count as masturbation?
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Rhyno posted:Man I love DS9 but these Ferenghi centric episodes are pretty dire. Look at this wrong guy, here. The Ferengi own. Just as long as we try to forget the one where Quark had a sex change operation, that one was actually pretty terrible.
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True story: When I first saw profit and lace, I was eating Velveeta mac and cheese and I threw up. I gave the rest to the dog.
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Worf is amazing, what are you talking about? He's like the most hilarious character in all of Star Trek, because he is a giant humorless, inept goon with a giant stick up his rear end. He's basically Sam the Eagle. "I am not a merry man."
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Okay, so I wrote up a Star Trek episode guide for myself and others, cutting down ones that aren't needed. So I'm leaving good episodes, ones needed for continuity, or ones that are just noteworthy or imfamous like Spock's Brain or Threshhold. I'm less familiar with VOY and ENT, so I shamelessly stole them from guides on reddit and cut out the ones that weren't deemed required or at all good. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E-94j3l56UtoTVtc8sRW5vlqsXciDfcFlfvfJVsAW80/edit Because I don't want to watch every episode of Voyager, I'm using this to determine which to watch. Life is too short to watch every episode of Voyager. You know who told me I should watch all of Voyager? Aatrek did. He raped children. So I'm almost done with Voyager, and God, this show is a slog. Even a lot of the episodes they consider "good" just loving blow. I'm like 3/4 through Workforce and I'm not even gonna finish this one because I just don't freaking care. Maybe I should just watch Neelix get the gently caress off the boat, then watch Endgame and call it a day. Then watch Enterprise. I'm going to be moving in with a new roommate who is interested in checked out Star Trek, so I plan on showing him some choice TOS episodes, TNG and eventually DS9. It'll be nice to watch some good Star Trek again.
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Mind you, I extrapolated this list from a reddit user who actually liked Voyager, so I'd imagine he's slightly retarded, especially going off his episode descriptions. If you see anything that can be stricken off my list, please say so because I want to trim some of the fat off.
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Met posted:I'm on a Voyager watchthrough right now. Here's a guide up to where I'm at. Good poo poo. Unfortunately I'm almost done but when you finish, this'll be useful in the future.
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Jul 15, 2016 21:49
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Wee Bairns posted:Looks like folks around the world will be able to watch the new Trek series on Netflix, while Canada will watch it on Bell's Space network. So it appears they really want to get it out to everyone. Oh good, maybe the show isn't doomed to fail now.
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Baronjutter posted:I've always been most curious about the Dominion post-war. Did odo some how drastically change their culture over time and convince them that maybe solids are not lesser lifeforms that need to be oppressed/genocided? Did the dominion change at all post-war or was the treaty just "get out of alpha quadrant bye" ? Did they have to release planets or reform their empire in any way? Disarm in any way? What happens when the Dominion and Borg run into each other? I would really like to see what becomes of the Ferengi and Cardassians post DS9. Grand Nagus Zek and later Rom enact a lot of reforms making the Ferengi more progressive and egalitarian - I think it would make sense that a reformed Ferenginar would join the Federation sometime. I'd also love to see a newly democratic, postwar Cardassia. They could take inspiration from postwar Germany, even. It sounds like the books make Garak President of Cardassia, which is rad. Speaking of that, in one of the books, Sulu becomes President of the Federation.
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Baronjutter posted:Oh yeah post-war ferrengi alliance now that they're apparently switching from sexist libertarian capitalists to feminist marxists because their fairly weak head of state has been changed. Okay, so that's the realistic way to look at it, but Star Trek hasn't ever really been known for its gritty realism. It wouldn't hurt my suspension of disbelief because the Ferengi are already very cartoonish.
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Nice, Rick Berman being a raging homophobe gives me another good reason to dislike him. It makes sense, really. Gay characters were really the thing Trek was missing. Paradoxish posted:Yeah, the Ferengi's weird system of ideology-based ultra-capitalism is so strange and nonsensical to begin with that I can't really complain about the sudden changes that were obviously happening at the end of DS9. Yeah. The Ferengi, Klingons and the Federation itself are all examples of societies that could never actually exist in real life. GET IN THE ROBOT fucked around with this message at 13:52 on Jul 20, 2016 |
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Apollodorus posted:That's why it's science fiction and not, despite what various Trekspergs might wish, a history of the future. Yeah. I've said it a million times before, but it's kind of hilarious when sperglords act like Star Trek is hard science fiction. Or remotely realistic. Or even consistent. Like, people complain about ENT being inconsistent and having continuity errors and retcons and the like, but TOS isn't even consistent with itself, let alone other series. A lot of people don't seem to realize that Star Trek continuity is honestly really very loose.
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It's pretty hilarious that one time Keiko got possessed by a Pah'Wraith and O'Brien didn't notice any difference. "There's a demon possessing my wife's body? Oh. She's usually this much of a bitch anyway so I didn't notice."
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Holy cow, that Spock cosplayer. I did a google search and apparently he's called Spock Vegas and he looks and sounds uncannily like Leonard Nimoy. Wow.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:He's also a huge rear end in a top hat. If you're taking pictures at a con and he thinks he was in it at all, he'll demand that you either pay him or delete the pic. He also sells traced and stolen artwork that a conman friend of his grabs off the internet. Well, that sucks. 
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