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Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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Robutt posted:

Idris Elba was good and while I felt like the villain's background and motivation were really, really interesting, they were revealed way too late for there to be any real meaningful exploration of the moral conflict between him and the crew. If they'd not held onto those details for a third act reveal and instead had it all be known much earlier in the film, we could have got a great deal more debate and character work which I thought Beyond kinda needed.

Wow, yes, I thought so as well. I suspect Pegg just somehow missed that angle, wanting to frontload action since he was already doing a good number of character moments already. Kinda good to do one for your antagonist, though...

Robutt posted:

Also, the new warp effect is really cool and the 'field' jackets that Kirk and Chekov get to wear are so snazzy! :swoon:

Yes! I loved them.

Also the whole thing with Uhura's necklace cracked me the gently caress up.

Hell, I even liked the dumb motorcycle, which turned out to be kind of cool. And Sabotage, and even Kirk's callback to it in the first movie. Just fun stuff.

Go see Beyond. It's really great.

Also, obviously the Kelvin timeline is a mirror...

So the odd numbered movies are good now :v:

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Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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I liked Jayla too. Also thank goodness no shoehorned love interest. She's just her own person, though she bonds most with Scotty due to their shared mechanical bent. And the "offer to join Starfleet, if you want it" sounds like a pretty clear "if the fans will it" to me. Personally, I'd be quite fine with it.

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Drone posted:

The only special lady in Scotty's life should be the Enterprise. I have a really hard time picturing otherwise.

ample nacelles, if you'll pardon the, uh, engineering parlance

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Blazing Ownager posted:

With the unfortunate death of Anton (I will say I just saw the movie and it bummed me out every time he was on screen no matter how much I tried to avoid being bummed about it) I suspect her introducing is real good timing, and that she may very well take his spot on the bridge in the next film. I am also totally OK with that as she was a good well-defined character and like you said, they didn't see the need to saddle her with relationship stuff.

That said, it was a lot of fun and the worst parts of the trailer were some of the best parts of the movie. Nice surprise.

Whoever cut the trailer together should be demoted to the guy who cleans the trailer editor's desk. It was loving awful on nearly every level; the only sin it didn't do is giving a step-by-step of the whole movie. Those are the worst trailers.

I agree with all of the above, in detail, especially being loving bummed about Anton, because he was so good in this. Jayla seems to be emerging as a very well-timed fan favorite, so I think chances are good. She's a whiz kid, out-engineering Scotty on occasion, and she's got a warrior aspect to her that the shows usually filled with Klingons for obvious reasons, but she's free to have other dimensions since she doesn't have the cultural and canon baggage of a known race. I like it. Also probably some naivete? The closest comparison I can think of for her is probably Chiana from Farscape, who was also a great character.

Gnome de plume posted:

her traps and how they played their parts later on.

I though this was worth calling out. I really liked this. I feel like Hollywood blockbusters don't even bother to put Chekhov's gun on the mantelpiece anymore, they just summon it from thin air and fire when needed. Pegg did a good job of attacking this not like a movie writer, but like a, well, science fiction writer. Mind fuckin' blown, right?

armoredgorilla posted:

Just got back from Beyond.

Loved it, top to bottom. And I hate Into Darkness.

Every character has something to do. Everyone plays their characters really well. The music takes a ton of cues from 60's Trek. They paid tribute to Nimoy, Anton, and the original crew many times.

The opening scene is one of my favorite bits. "I tore my shirt again. : /" killed me.

I thought Idris Elba was wasted under the makeup at the start of the movie, but that worked itself out towards the end and I think he was great.

The Yorktown is amazing, one of the most creative Trek sets in generations.

It's still the very actiony New Trek, but I think the plot is great and its overall well-written.

The climax was the stupidest, loudest, most audacious, amazing perfect thing.

Put Jaylah in a Starfleet uniform and never take her away from me, she's basically Trek's Drax the Destroyer and I am cool with that.

Yes.

the real blah posted:

As corny as hell as it was, I really dug the Sabotage scene and the "Classical music" line.

I was going to hate that so much, and then the setup was perfect and the payoff was glorious, and it felt totally earned.

Also, the bit where Kirk goes "Good choice." and you just get that clicking sense that this crew is a team, that they don't just work well but fit perfectly together. They're pointed like the Starfleet arrowhead they all wear: a little warped, but boldly so, and sharp where it counts, and focused on the right direction - upward. As symbols go, I think it's one of the best in history. Certainly one of the most personally meaningful to me.

...So yeah. I'm still a little emotional about this movie.

What time do we get new TV series details, anyone know?

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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Thom12255 posted:

Literally the ugliest ship.


And the teaser was quite odd. It looked worse than the CGI that Fan projects pump out. Not really the best introduction to the series for anyone. I'm actually a bit worried about it now.

It has a solidity and seriousness that I find oddly appealing, but it doesn't feel like a proper Starfleet design. More like a Maquis kitbash.

I mean, they're saying all the right things, but that ship design. I'm just like "That's what you went with? Really?"

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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Drink-Mix Man posted:

Aw, man.

Seriously, though, in my opinion I'm hungry for a Star Trek that does that TOS and TNG did in the sense of taking the science we know now and imagining where it could go. A vision of the future relevant to today's audience. It seems like at some point you have to let go of cannon that started fifty years ago in order to do that.

Beyond kinda started looking a little like that, actually.

But otherwise, if you want that, you have to go to print SF.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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Kazinsal posted:

It looks like they rendered it in Star Trek Online.

...Surely you don't think...

I could see it, sadly.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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Gammatron 64 posted:

Well, I liked it how in Beyond, they didn't beat the bad guys by shooting lasers at them. They killed them with music. It was like, the most Macross thing ever.

Beyond was good.

Yesssss I was like "OMG they're doing the Lynn Minmei thing! I am so loving happy right now!"

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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Big Mean Jerk posted:

So there's definitely a decloaking sound at the very end of the teaser.

What if the registry is a red herring? What if this actually is set in the future of the TNG timeline? Klingons join the Federation, there's a big technology share, Starfleet restarts the registry numbering, and that's why Discovery looks like an unholy mashup of the two design languages.

That's my theory. I think it's even a very reasonable theory. It would be a very natural evolution of the universe; from various time travel episodes we know that the Federation includes all the Alpha Quadrant races in a few centuries don't we?

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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Kibayasu posted:

This had made me realize that Starfleet ships are basically flying saucers from the 40's with a few tubes glued on.

You should watch Forbidden Planet. It's basically Star Trek with no mixed crew on a flying saucer. Its influence on TOS is not to be underestimated.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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MorgaineDax posted:

Picard would have taken that deal.

But Sisko would hit it. :v:

Kesper North fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Nov 26, 2016

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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I'm still holding out hope that Combs will get cast on Discovery.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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Star Trek Beyond did a good job with the future city thing.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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Pakled posted:

I wanna know what a Denebian slime devil is.

Here's a picture! There were better illustrations in a couple of RPG sourcebooks, but this is in-show canon.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Denebian_slime_devil

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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turn left hillary!! noo posted:

Ok, we'll split it. You get Bezos for Trek, but I already claimed Elon Musk for a B5 remaster.

I'm holding out for a Musk-produced anthology series where each season is a different Culture novel.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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It took years for me to find out what a tam o'shanter was.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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I'm sure to the Q Continuum, we all look the same.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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Sad King Billy posted:

I have to admit though he did get more likable once he grew the beard, he was smug and arrogant beforehand.

Obligatory

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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Given what a prolific genre TV director he is, it would almost be more surprising for him not to be doing an episode, but still.



Bonus points if he gets drunk with Sirtis and does commentary.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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If birds of prey run on JET-A, I think that is in fact the most metal.


(danger zooooone)

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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A friend of mine made this for me.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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Baronjutter posted:

Notice how China and chinese people in general have very little mention or appearance in trek...

Previous to Discovery that might be true, but Michelle Yeoh's prime universe character stans Zheng He pretty hard.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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This week on Archer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh0mrIjW-H0

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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I'm a huge fan of HJB and Star Trek and am fine with the Archer coma dream season having a Star Trek episode, why not.

I read somewhere yesterday that Kurtzman mentioned they'd leased a gigantic studio space for "more shows", and it seemed to hint at one of those being a Pike show. I would be fine with that too.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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Sash! posted:

Do you want Tribbles? Because that's how you get Tribbles.

B'ELANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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Alan_Shore posted:

I'd love it. I don't care

Both logic and Rule 34 dictate that people will do anything for the D.

is it that this joke is too pon farr or has it not pon farr enough

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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I liked Diane Duane's Romulans a lot.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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Honey... bare Jadzia, you say.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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I'm really sad guys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEBLI1zWXYw

RIP

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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Didn't someone at some point claim that the point of divergence was something stupid early, like the Roman Empire?

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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Big Mean Jerk posted:

Turns out the MU Roman Empire was just slightly hornier than the one in ours.

Diddling while Rome burns!

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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oh but seriously I posted:

greek/roman gods are cannon. whichever i did not study classics

Who does mourn for Adonais?

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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Powered Descent posted:

Plato's stepchildren.

:golfclap: And the children shall lead us.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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Pick posted:

Lmao Conflicted Sisko.

and all it cost was one mana, one creature, and the self-respect of a Starfleet officer

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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:perfect:

*bagpipes play Amazing Grace*

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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Yeah you don't want Space Tetris getting loose on the Enterprise, all those loving nerds will be Grandmaster in a week and never get any more work done.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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I always got the impression that it's not considered illegal, just super, ultra rude, and people don't usually go and look in other people's porn folders just so they don't have to act on what they find, but they absolutely do when they feel like it or have an excuse.

Typical boomer approach to privacy in other words.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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MikeJF posted:

I mean a Magellanic cloud is still a healthy billion stars, although only a few of the satellites are that big. Milky Way is just three or four hundred billion. At least. We're still figuring things out since we doubled the radius last year, took it from 75,000ly to 130. (Ironically, it's the hardest galaxy to get a good idea of the structure of, since it's like trying to draw a house from the inside vs looking out the window at other ones)

Wow, that's a lot more than I realized.

my god it's full of stars

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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Nessus posted:

Yeah well uh... um... uh...

No it's actually really cool. Though a lot of those stars are dwarfs.

Like ours, you mean? :sun:

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Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

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unintelligible electronic grating

The Breen Confederacy wishes to hear more of this "cold" war.

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