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Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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https://clips.twitch.tv/DeterminedPuzzledScallionMau5

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Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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ah that was so good

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Phone posted:

Sounds like you should have tuned into the Pod Save America stream instead where they declared that the #resistance worked.

Way more your speed and what you’re looking for.

Better still, just read this dogshit, courtesy of David Frum: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/11/why-democrats-won-2018-midterms/575179/

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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KingNastidon posted:

Maybe I'm just a stale, decorum loving neoliberal idiot.

It's good that you recognize the problem at least.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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DoubleDonut posted:

if you would vote Republican (or abstain, I guess) because loving Medicare for All or Let's Close Gitmo And Stop Being At War In As Many Countries As Possible are too radical for you then we absolutely do not want you

Word.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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I'm always amazed at people who can still carry water for the "politically realistic" camp after 2016.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Breadallelogram posted:

Matt Christman had some advice on Tuesday's livestream that I think you should consider.

lol

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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I Before E posted:

A dispatch from Dickeye:

is there a good chapo thread?

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Wait, you mean "I care more about my odds of reelection than your access to healthcare." isn't a rallying cry?

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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KingNastidon posted:

I don't care what you personally want in a country with 100M+ voters. I generally want the same end goal, for what it's worth. I'm asking whether you're that confident that >=50% of the voting population will give the Democratic Party their support to pass an immediate, significant restructuring of our healthcare system when faced with real world upsides/downsides. And if you're not 100% confident, which seems reasonable enough given 2010 elections following Obamacare, whether there are other acceptable incremental approaches you'd accept that could eventually get to the same end goal with broader popular support.

For example, lowering Medicare age to 50 or 40. Again, not saying that's my policy or moral ideal but I'd argue the majority of the population and even Democrats do not hold your "gently caress capital" stances in 2018.

Stringent posted:

Wait, you mean "I care more about my odds of reelection than your access to healthcare." isn't a rallying cry?

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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While homey's worrying about being called a socialist: https://www.newsweek.com/white-house-creates-policy-time-donald-trump-work-tweeting-executive-time-1213354

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Rhesus Pieces posted:

And they don’t do anything that people actually like when they have power because they think exactly like kingnasty and believe their constituents don’t actually want nice things

The electorate's distaste for actual socialist policy is a myth created by the neo-libs and sold via the New York Times and Washington Post. It has no basis in fact or reality, and has never been more than a grift for their donors. 2016 proved this conclusively, and it's only going to get clearer.

As long as these anemic puddles of jellyfish poo poo continue toting pencils to gun fights they're just gonna continue to get slaughtered.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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KingNastidon posted:

what's electorally popular at any given moment.

See, this is your problem, this right here.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Obama won because he was an incredibly charismatic politician. The results of the 2016 election show precisely how well Obama's agenda ran without Obama to sell it.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Or you could just run on the whole shebang and let the Republicans worry about extracting concessions? You don't have to do their loving job for them you wet poo poo.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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It's more the problem that this thing that polls with over 70% approval just isn't politically viable.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Henchman of Santa posted:

The octopus is not our brother, he is our enemy of the deep and the rising sea levels mean he is getting closer to taking us down.

I for one welcome our new cephalopod masters.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Previa_fun posted:

The episode after RBG dies under a Trump presidency is going to be the most depressing and full of schadenfreude yet. Matt will 100% get the cops called on him.

Any raging that was gonna be done on account of that has been. He's not that far behind the curve.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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https://twitter.com/johncusack/status/1085507050598264832

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Cloks posted:

Tbf they probably don't want to lose their nonprofit status.

i can see how they'd overlook that before publishing it in the first place

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Seems to be a common sentiment (re: how horrible abrams is):

https://twitter.com/kellymagsamen/status/1095839488721543169

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Groovelord Neato posted:

after hearing the krassensteins' voices i understand why they got so swole.

ah, the mike tyson syndrome

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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poo poo like American imperialism and income equality are just low hanging fruit, it's obvious to anyone with half a brain. The idea that white supremacists might build a coherent platform out of wealth redistribution, dismantling the military industrial complex, and making it where people can see a loving doctor should be keeping anyone who lives in the US and isn't white awake at nights.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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god bless him, but it's painful watching him try to smile

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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PostNouveau posted:

Holy poo poo, Amber interviewed the most boring man in the world

I enjoyed it.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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holy poo poo he did, ahahaha that loving owns

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Also y'all need to drop $3 on Gravel and get him on the stage.

https://twitter.com/MikeGravel/status/1108707073439739906

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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dunno about all that, everything he said here in 2008 was p much bang on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH9SbwSQCk4

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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by weird you mean right i take it, since that was p weird in that race

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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some of y'all might enjoy listening to Deconstructed with Mehdi Hasan. it tends to be a bit centrist, but he gets access to a lot of big name guests.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Groovelord Neato posted:

his interview with erik prince on his al jazeera show was pretty dang good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOB4V-ukpBI

yeah, i still don't know wtf prince was thinking taking that interview, talk about being outmatched

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Groovelord Neato posted:

prince showed up to his wife's funeral with the visibly pregnant babysitter. the man has no idea what shame is.

if it makes you feel any better, a woman that would marry eric prince was almost certainly a horrible person too

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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FlamingLiberal posted:

I mean, he wouldn’t be wrong

in fact he'd be right!

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Groovelord Neato posted:

it's definitely the never facing consequences but you'd at least try to avoid even mild discomfort as an ultrarich shithead.

assuming you were capable of feeling it, as you pointed out.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Sulphagnist posted:

I also didn't quite agree with the Biden analysis. I think Biden should be attacked on both the "he's a creep" and "he's a horrible politician with bad policies and a terrible record" fronts. Like they said themselves Biden's shine is from his two terms as Obama's VP - and you can't really fight that kind of appeal with policy arguments.

And even if the voters don't care, if the consultant class does, that may matter in a primary. He has not officially announced yet. What if he or his advisors decide it's not worth the risk exactly because the lid of that Pandora's box is already opening?

As a bonus, the Anita Hill stuff is a double whammy of misogyny and bad politics.

counterpoint:
it'd almost be worth biden getting the nomination just to see the look on al franken's face

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Penisaurus Sex posted:

I don't know what purpose an abstraction like GDP serves in a socialist mode of production.

Probably not much at all; gotta ram it into people's skulls that "Does this generate profit?" Is not a worthwhile consideration of a wide swathe of social goods.

Kim Stanley Robinson, Blue Mars posted:

Economics was like psychology, a pseudoscience trying to hide that fact with intense theoretical hyperelaboration. And gross domestic product was one of those unfortunate measurement concepts, like inches or the British thermal unit, that ought to have been retired long before.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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get that OUT of my face posted:

establishment dems are so incompetent, their efforts in beating back the left flank is just dividing the party more than the left supposedly did

https://twitter.com/JoeBrunoWSOC9/status/1118595031496110081

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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SlimGoodbody posted:

The deeply held conviction of dumbasses that it's possible to do politics without acknowledging that utterly incompatible goals exist between 1%er death cultists and normal people will be the very end of me.

This guy is running for the district that has to redo their election because the GOP candidate got busted for voter fraud btw.

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Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Do any of y'all know anything about Hugo Chavez? I just finished watching this and he sounds too good to be true?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-lhLVUlTcw

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