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If you don't raise pups with weaker animals, they can get aggressive, especially if they're very high-energy breeds like yours. You can iron out this behavior, sure, but it will take a few years of constant and unrelenting discipline and, even then, you could still lose a cat by then, potentially get into trouble with others where you live or worse. If you really can't invest that time, just find another canine. I've had dogs like this before, and they're either a huge hassle or the complete opposite, it just all depends on how they're raised and, clearly, your Mastiff wasn't raised well.
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Superconsndar posted:Dog's don't develop strong prey drive due to not being "raised well," it's an innate drive that varies with individual breed and temperament. You can mitigate it with management and training but "raising them well" won't cause it not to develop. Except raising them with routine, positive-reinforcement, and proper diagnostics of stimulus for dog-aggression and prey drive triggers is raising them well, and that's how you prevent unfavorable behaviors from developing or, in other words, from getting worse Like, yes, you're right, each dog has a unique prey drive which waxes and wanes with the dog's age, but who gives a literal gently caress about a given dog's theoretical prey drive if it doesn't manifest in grisly shreds of rat, cat, and child on your rug in the morning? I'm exaggerating of course, but you're extrapolating on a point I did not make. And yes, Terrier and Bull breeds are probably going to be more aggressive than your average Pug or Corgi, so they will require closer attention to training and discipline. If the previous owner was too incompetent to administer that training and depth of care, then you're going to get either a very aggressive or aggressively defensive dog. If, however, they did receive that care, then you might even have a naturally aggressive and muscular dog who is gentle enough to be allowed around livestock, but I'd still hesitate with cats and toddlers (you can't ever be too safe.) unpleasantly turgid fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Jul 22, 2016 |
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Superconsndar posted:yes I'll admit that I gave myself more etymological wiggle room than I probably needed, but calling me a "twat"? Really? Ausrotten posted:The dog's innate level of aggression is really, really important to take into consideration when you're trying to get a handle on it. Literally anyone with two braincells to rub together should care A LOT about what level of aggression their dog is capable of, especially if their dog has already murdered some things. Extrapolating that the dog was raised poorly from the fact a hunting mix wanted to kill some prey animals is loving asinine. There are plenty of dogs out there who literally will never be safe around prey animals and no amount of ~raisin them right~ is gonna change that. You're never going to raise a genetically DA as hell dog or one with insane prey drive well enough to keep ""unfavorable behaviors from developing"" when those undesirable behaviors are literally what they were bred to do. Can you improve their response to prey via training? Sure. But you're kidding yourself if you think you can keep it from ever surfacing in some dogs or that all dogs can be trained to be ok around prey animals. Yes, you're right. I don't recall ever saying that a dog's prey drive doesn't exist, but that with proper control of the animal and gradual exposure to prey animals in controlled settings, they can become net-safer in future, less-controlled exposures; I mean, it's almost like, well, I don't know, but I have a feeling t- that.. that we're saying the same thing! Like it's blatantly obvious you're just looking for someone to poo poo on, which I'm fine with - I understand that farmhands and hicks have some inflated ego and that needs to be taken out for a walk every now and again, but could you at least make a substantive response that actually sticks? I've raised a Mastiff for two years and eleven months this August in the city; I know he's loving itching to kill things, but we've tackled endless trials to iron out what of his impetuous behavior that we could. Yes, you can still feel that he's a bit on edge when we're out in the park so I keep him on a leash, but even if I drop the handle he isn't going to lose his poo poo. unpleasantly turgid fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Jul 25, 2016 |
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SneakyFrog posted:never said i was an expert and stuff in terms and thingies. I aint saying hump your dog. just the healthy respect thing. If you want your dog to become more volatile and direct his/her stress at you, I agree - dominate them. Also, who said don't hump your dog? I'm sure your pup would love a little bit of affection!
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Ausrotten posted:You said a dog's actual level of prey drive is irrelevant, I think that's loving ridiculous and short sighted. Ausrotten posted:is the most hilarious thing i've read all day so thank you for that. What would a bunch of people raising murderdogs around livestock and wildlife know about dealing with prey drive and livestock compared to some dude with his first prey driven dog in the city?? Fluffy Bunnies posted:What kind of mastiff is it? Because that's sincerely important. No incidents to report besides an intermittent booming bark that stirs adjacent apartments. No peculiar stressors or serious ailments, so I've had it easy. He barks at unfamiliar stray animals, but doesn't go beyond that. I'd consider testing if he's actually violent with unfamiliar strays, but, as it turns out, demonstrating my dog's discipline to goons isn't worth a dead animal. Ausrotten posted:I mean you're even equating prey drive and human aggression by saying it's untrustworthy around children so l o l (i'm sure of course that isn't ACTUALLY what you meant of course ) Ausrotten posted:you're saying you can prevent the drive to kill animals from surfacing as long as you're a good owner. That apparently is not what you meant but you communicated that extremely poorly. So far every time someone's pointed out that you're wrong about something you've back pedaled or attenuated your statements so much that they barely resemble your initial posts and it's both super transparent and super frustrating. Ausrotten posted:when you say dominate them, what precisely do you mean 
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Superconsndar posted:FoxFarts you are the platonic ideal of the weird dog mom who trained one dog with a vague problem and read some books and now has a whole world t o educate I never said it wasn't genetic lol, and I've been insistent that training curbs the effects of an innate prey drive, not the prey drive itself. How is it that everyone could understand that concept besides you? You know, you do know a lot about dogs. I'll grant you that. But other than that, you are by far the dumbest motherfucker I've ever read and - to be perfectly candid - probably more dim than anyone I've ever met, which, frankly, shouldn't surprise me seeing as your greatest confidant and intellectual equal is a guard dog. You've actually gotten me in stitches. By the by, is that why you have the Boston Terrier avatar? Because, even though people don't regard your intelligence highly by human standards, you're still considered pretty bright when compared to other dogs? I mean, hey, Roundheads ALMOST break top 50. That's certainly worth bragging about. unpleasantly turgid fucked around with this message at 06:33 on Jul 26, 2016 |
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Ausrotten posted:holy poo poo this idiot thinks super knows even one single thing about g u a r d d o g s because she has gamebred shitbulls I think it's more about me not knowing what Super does when not piddling around on SA. forgot she dealt in gamebred. But seeing as she's a bitch, it makes sense that you think it speaks to my knowledge of pets 
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