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SonicRulez posted:Wow, uh, no. Holy poo poo no. You're not getting what I'm putting down at all. I'm not against a deconstruction of Batman (or anyone else). I'm also not rejecting depth in comic books. The only thing I do not get any enjoyment out of is explaining why/how things in comic books would not work if they were real. I don't know where you got the rest of that stuff from. I believe there is depth in comics to find and discuss beyond "Wow this would be implausible in our world". Can you be a true comics fan if you're not constantly discussing how unrealistic and unattainable superheroes are?
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Roth posted:I haven't seen Green Lantern yet, but it is part of my schedule of DC cartoons to stream for my friends after we finish Clone Wars/Rebels. I'd be up for it if it's at the right time.
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Roth posted:I generally stream Saturday at 1 PM PST and Sunday at 12 PM PST, since most of the people that join my streams are in Europe. Works for me, I'll stay tuned  thanks man.
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Having physical media on hand is useful when your internet connection is down and more secure than digital episodes, which can be pulled at the providers' discretion. Physical media is cool and good. I can't imagine being too lazy to change discs.
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Feb 22, 2017 19:18
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Lobok posted:I don't mind changing discs if I'm powering through a show in order. But not having the full selection of a show's episodes if you want to browse through or select them from different seasons is a pain if they're split into discs. Like we have the Simpsons seasons 1-9 on a hard drive because it's way easier than sifting through our DVDs especially when we're doing a theme like Halloween or Christmas episodes. This is a good point. I retract my complaint.
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Feb 23, 2017 01:38
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NikkolasKing posted:I find the normal person vs. superhero alterego concept is one of the more legitimately fascinating aspects of comic books or comic book-based media. This is a good post. Everything about Bruce is a reaction to his parents dying. That's why that episode where The Hatter traps him in a dream is so tragic. It finally gives the audience a picture of who Bruce is when he's a whole and complete person. He's a guy who can play golf with his dad and is marrying a pragmatic woman who loves him and challenges him. He can walk around with a smile. He can make jokes with the family's oldest friend, Alfred. Someone else is out there saving Gotham, it doesn't have to be his burden and Bruce is in a daze at the thought that he can have a complete life now. But well, this is noir. So it all falls apart. But Bruce could have been a whole and happy person if it hadn't gone so wrong so early.
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Return of the Caped Crusaders is a really great movie you guys!
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Well to be fair they did make those movies where titles had "Superman/Batman" in them, so there's your slash fic movies right there
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Jun 16, 2017 22:56
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I liked how they handled Robin, even as a kid. He had his own life, he was growing up, he didn't have to be Robin all the time.
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Oct 28, 2017 00:44
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Lightning Lord posted:Some manga readers who don't have much experience with American comics don't really know that too well. Seeing as this guy is talking about superheroes I'm assuming this is the case, but maybe I'm being unfair. You're not being unfair. There's a massive difference between western comics and manga, the serialized manga is just part of it. I will say the first time I started laying attention to comics for real it baffled me why the authors couldn't keep their poo poo together for longer than a few issues at a time. Nothing matters and everything is so different from issue to issue that continuity is a laugh riot. There is no serialized story telling in superhero comics except Claremont's X-Men. I can enjoy superhero comics now but I still think the lack of real serialized stories are a huge weakness in the medium and the big 2 are only just now becoming aware of the possibilities that manga realized decades ago. And frankly the storytelling quality of superhero comics are absolute trash-tier so even with the new knowledge they have the big 2 absolutely suck at it outside of some golden geese they tripped over. It's not that manga is superior but manga at least emphasizes creating distinct archetypes and writers are allowed to put their distinct imprint on the plot and characters. Superhero comics feel much more shallow in comparison. Superhero comics have their strengths as single issue-stories but the stagnation this encourages has caught up with us.
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ToastyPotato posted:DC and Marvel also kind of have their hands tied because it is evident that crossovers = more money, so they feel compelled to push writing in a way that leaves the door open to crossovers, which is not going to really allow you much room for thoughtful, serialized work. I wish both companies would consider doing more stuff along the lines of Injustice, where you have a long series featuring its own continuity that is completely self contained. I guess Spider-Gwen is kind of like that too right? I mean in that it is self contained. I assume it isn't one massive on going story though. I read Spider-Gwen. It was shallow and it sucked. They tried to pack complex storylines into single issues without taking advantage of the premise. For example they had a black female Captain America, which is a cool premise! And then they packed her entire backstory and character development in 3 pages, didn't develop her at all, didn't give her any of her own stories, didn't use her in any kind of serious storytelling attempt but still expected the audience to treat her as a three dimensional character even though the creators themselves refused to do that. I can't even tell you her name without a wiki. It's insulting to treat a character like that. It's insulting to introduce gimmicks disguised as characters or plots, and refuse to use them in storytelling in any meaningful capacity. Being self contained didn't save Spider-Gwen from having worthless trash storytelling and shallow characterization. If Spider-Gwen had been a manga we would have at least gotten multiple issues exploring black female Captain America's story, how she came to be involved with the Super Soldier program, how she survived from the past to the present, who her family was, who she loved and lost and why they mattered to her. That doesn't mean that it would be good because there's plenty of trash manga too but at least in manga the creators say "hmmm if I want to the audience to care about this character I need to invest time and space into showing them why she's important." Spider-Gwen just shoved all of that into 3-4 pages. And it sucked. Being self contained didn't help it. Modern superhero comics are absolute loving poo poo at telling good stories if you aren't Tom King. And people wonder why the industry is dying.
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SlothfulCobra posted:There are a few titles that get the chance to tell relatively lengthy stories for maybe a couple years. There's never going to be decade-spanning epics like some of the more popular manga go though, and even the most isolated titles on the fringes of the continuity will eventually get pulled away into an event at some point or another, especially if there's any amount of success with the title. You liked Miles Morales? He're's a big huge event to bring him over from his parallel universe into the main Marvel one! And now he's got separate titles where he goes off and joins superhero teams or shows up in other heroes' books, AND he'll be thrust into the center of more crossover events. So long as the reader is left feeling that they missed something, that's more sales to exploit. Pretty much. It's just disappointing, that's all, especially if you're looking to make the jump. Wheat Loaf posted:Over-long flashbacks and diversions into the backstories of side characters are why I quit reading both Naruto and Bleach. That's what I was thinking of when I mentioned trash manga. Naruto and Bleach are both super mediocre. But it is a mainstay of manga storytelling that I like and it's used well in other titles.
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Oct 30, 2017 18:28
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Skwirl posted:If I'm buying a comic titled Spider-Gwen, I'd get pretty annoyed pretty fast if they devoted several months of comics to the backstory of a side character. "Why should the author have to make people care about the characters they introduce as part of the protagonist's supporting casts??? why can't people just be satisfied with cardboard cutouts??? I don't understand why anyone would want to get to know characters that keep appearing in these comics???" business hammocks posted:Isn’t that normal for superhero comics? How many pages are devoted to the first Captain America’s origin, given that the comic is about him? That's part of my criticism of super hero comics in general. I also think that's why the movies always go back to the origin story script, because they have to introduce the protagonist and make people care about them as if they were 3 dimensional people. When I was first reading superhero comics it really disgruntled me that we didn't get to know these characters in a meaningful fashion, it just threw us into the action without much explanation and for a while it's just Punchman fighting Evil Punchman. That doesn't mean that there's absolutely no characterization in cape comics, it just means that if you're a manga reader first then it's a huge shift in terms of mindsight. Cape comics develop their protagonists and supporting casts in fits and jumps. It's a big change.
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Endless Mike posted:You do not need an origin story to care about characters. This is definitely true! But the people who make cape movies keep doing it because in their view it's the most reliable way to make the audience care. (And because origin stories are easy.)
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punk rebel ecks posted:I tried reading Batman Arkham Knight and Dead Pool. Dead Pool was alright while Batman was boring. One Piece is the king of great character stories, it's great. If you still want to try cape comics I would recommend Chris Claremont's X-men run. You get the nice compact one issue stories that cape comics are great at but you also have overarching plots, building character development, and the benefit of having one writer + his team being the sole architect of the series and characters for several years, so you don't get jarring switch ups from a new writer coming in. The run starts in the 70s so you have to be willing to tolerare hokey 70s-isms but so far Claremont's X-Men is the best match if you're coming from manga IMO. The other thing I could recommend is Garth Ennis's Punisher MAX run because it's a great serial but those are considerably darker and you have to be in the right mood. What I've learned about cape comics is that you have to identify which author you like and follow them around from title to title to experience consistent quality. Anyway you can PM me if you want to discuss it more.
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SonicRulez posted:I don't know how to articulate it, but it really doesn't feel like comics are getting a fair shake in this conversation. Cape comics are good Cape comics can be good. Very few of the current crop are good and it's hard to make cape recommendations to someone who prefers serialized storytelling. All in all I prefer adaptations to comics to comics themselves which brings us full circle in this thread! The best superhero cartoon is of course Superman TAS. Fite me.
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Lightning Lord posted:I'm thinking of starting a thread about discussing people getting into comics, both trying to get into them and trying to get others into them please link if you make it, I'd like to participate
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Oct 31, 2017 18:29
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Both versions of Teen Titans are dumb and not very funny.
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I don't think you can accuse Cartoon Network of making smart decisions all of the time.
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Samuringa posted:What happened between MLP and 2018 that manchildren now are angry at cute cartoon girls instead of being allured by them? I like to think Bronies were so brutally persecuted that those types now feel bad about jerkin' it to childrens cartoons. Of course now instead of moving on with their lives they're trying to punish people for making them feel bad about it.
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Jul 16, 2018 22:37
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I mean so what they think if they can't see a woman's tits she must be a man? No one tell them about winter coats
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Jul 17, 2018 17:30
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A children's cartoon doesn't have pornographic detail of women's titties flopping around, twitter users everywhere fall to their knees wailing because they can't get it up to THIS particular cartoon
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Jul 17, 2018 17:42
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ToastyPotato posted:Really puts the popularity of anime amongst that demographic and waifu culture into perspective. I wish they would just admit they're porn addicts instead of trying to justify pornifying kids cartoons and sexualizing children's media.
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Lurdiak posted:And now I've just remembered that an old Batman comic I read featured Bruce Wayne being shamed for not supporting some organization or other, and the story resolving with Batman donating a huge check to said organization and the lady is like "Now there's an upstanding citizen, not like that Bruce Wayne!" The IRS is coming for the Caped Crusading Tax Evader
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