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Stuntman posted:please do this Forums are the last bastion of the social recluse, so it will only make your suffering worse.
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Stuntman posted:i'll take this over the idea of you ever trying to date or talk to someone IRL https://youtu.be/znodcpMzcnA
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Aug 27, 2016 23:14
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If you are trans and keeping your dick you are selfish. You should give it to me, I'm collecting them for reasons I would rather not reveal, until the time is right.
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Aug 27, 2016 23:24
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Anyone who needs to be told the advice in How to Make Friends and Influence People needs more help socialising than a book can possibly grant them. There are books with decent tips for improving communication but they are more specific than just generally being good at socialising, and their application won't be obvious to someone with significant problems. On conflict resolution/negotiation I'd go for the obvious Getting to Yes, Caspersen's Changing the Conversation is also an easy read that teaches complex perspective taking. I've never read them but I've heard the simpler books of alternative phrasing can be helpful to some (perfect phrases for series, or King's Conversation Tactics). Top recommendations for sad guys: The Charisma Myth, if you want to be more outgoing, or Susan Cain's Quiet, if you want to learn that being an introvert doesn't mean you suck at life. I would probably stay away from any book pitched at learning to talk to the opposite sex, but The Art of Charm is a decent podcast that started out kind of pua-ish but has now become mainstream lifecoaching on all subjects (including dating) and features a very diverse range of high profile guest speakers. Other than that I'm told improv classes or storytelling workshops are helpful for boosting confidence and improving specific social skills.
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Aug 28, 2016 17:11
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I should actually add Humble Inquiry by Schein to that list, it teaches how to ask questions better, in a Socratic questioning way or for just showing genuine interest.
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Aug 28, 2016 17:12
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Return of kings are in a different league of rapist to the average pua. The f plus have done multiple episodes on roosh v, and he is so extremely naive about what consent means and also deliberately ignorant to the idea that women are sentient. I actually have to assume most of his stories are fake and he actually has all the experience of Elliott Rodgers when it comes to talking to women, because there is no way he wouldn't have had charges pressed against him otherwise. I know that rape charges are difficult to make stick, but roosh is so desperately uncharismatic and weakly ineffective that I can't imagine him either intimidating a woman into silence or being able to make it through even a friendly conversation with a police officer without accidentally implicating himself in every unsolved rape case ever committed.
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Aug 28, 2016 17:42
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*in the voice of Milton from office space* "excuse me, I'm....im going to go inside you now" "No roosh" "....I, I.... if you don't let me have sex with you, than im going to...I'm going to ra..to ra...to leave right now" "gently caress off roosh" *goes home and writes elaborate rape fantasy unaware that even in his fiction he is a loser that can't actually get a girl*
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Aug 28, 2016 18:05
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If you've ever let a woman be on top you've hosed up 
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Aug 28, 2016 18:23
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Benny Harvey posted:Imagine being too disgusting for Australia. We've nation-blocked multiple pua. It seems cool until you realise that the only reason the immigration minister has earned the power to do so at his own discretion is so that he can do the same thing to refugees.
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Aug 28, 2016 23:52
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P-Mack posted:send roosh to nauru It would be cool if we had a small island we sent lovely people to, like Australia's own Australia, but instead we use our small island storage space for desperate people fleeing persecution.
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Aug 29, 2016 00:08
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The one episode of american idol I watched years ago there was this super nerdy guy who sounded like he was crying whenever he spoke and his pre-interview was him talking about how pauline was going to tell him that she can tell he has a pure heart. When her response was to shake her head wordlessly at him his post-interview had him whining about how he didn't understand why she couldn't recognise his pure heart.
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Aug 29, 2016 03:24
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Pick posted:Dude just listen to the poo poo moon Atari posted. There are tons of guys who love the idea of a woman they think neeeeeeds them and can't live without them, soon feeding and all, and it comes from a place of possessiveness and deep insecurity I was basing my theory on a talk by the late Stella Young who would have layed an osteogenenis imperfecta handed bitchslap on you for dismissing my idea but also me for being a nondisabled person suggesting it. As to your response to it, you took the most negative possible interpretation, and your post about me being 'one of those guys' explicitly connected it to my gender (with some terf style trans hate oddly thrown in). Now, what sort of person do we, in this here nice guy thread, know of who always assumes the worst of the other gender's intentions and angrily requires them to prove they are the exception to the rule when it comes to their otherwise lovely gender? I like you Pick, you have cool opinions on cartoons and cute animals, but there is a reason people were saying you have overshared in this thread. You've revealed you have some of the same problems with men as the bitter dudes this thread is about mocking have with women. Like continuously suggesting men don't know how to or are possibly incapable of friendship is an exact mirror of what some dudes say about women's friendship. It's good to want to support a partner, and to be supported back. I would say that is pretty much the definition of having a partner rather than a fuckbuddy or other transient sort of relationship. Assuming I am belittling a partner by wanting to support them is like the thing mra's say about women getting angry about you holding the door for them, I just didn't think that was a real thing. As to the specific context of people with disabilities, if they require care but have a long-term romantic partner the romantic partner nearly always becomes their primary carer, excepting the few lucky people well off enough to afford good quality in home care staff. It's unfortunate, but it would be good if the romantic partner actually enjoys providing care.
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Aug 29, 2016 05:26
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Pick posted:Daydreaming about being a woman =! Being trans you idiots Could probably have just said are jealous of or resent women for the life they think they have, rather than something easily interpreted as being anti-trans, who certainly daydream about being women as part of the process of recognising their identity. But I agree that was an unnecessary thing to hone in on and I assume you are better than that. Tbh being accused of some sort of nurturing based misogyny just rubs me the wrong way, for multiple reasons, not the least being that it kind of disvalues empathy and caring as qualities a woman might want in a partner, thereby aligning with angry sad guy beliefs. Honestly, was also just a little irritated because my vague apology was on the same page as you accusing me of that (maybe page before can't be bothered checking), and that vague apology was actually aimed at you, because way back at the start of the thread I had provided political lesbians as the female counterpoint to men going their own way. Twenty pages or something later you revealed enough for me to assume you might actually be a political lesbian, and when I went back I realised I had made my comment in direct reply to you so it probably seemed pretty dang hurtful. I didn't want to call attention to it by directly apologising like 100 pages later, so went vague, only to have you kind of reinforce what I had originally said with what I perceive as gendered hostility.
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Aug 29, 2016 09:00
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Troposphere posted:pick is the political lesbjan president and I'm her running mate There is enough testimony out there from self-professed political lesbians who acknowledge they struggle with having no real sexual attraction to their partners. Even the origins of the movement and its primary figures directly state they feel only straight attraction but are establishing relationships with women to protest men while still having company. This isn't to say that some people who state their motivations for getting into a lesbian relationship as a boycott of men aren't also legitimately attracted women. I know that men in particular often refuse to acknowledge lesbian's sexuality, but insisting that you know what these women feel better than they do in direct contrast to their statements also involves denying a person's sexuality. I've hung in diverse enough social circles to have been aggressively hit on by drunk gay dudes whose tactics include insisting I must be bi because everyone is a little gay, and that if I won't try it with them I must be homophobic. Gay people can deny others an acknowledgement of their sexuality too, in the same way that is more often used against them.
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Aug 29, 2016 09:19
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gently caress, the reason I even assumed pick might be one was because a million pages ago she specifically said she has many friends in 'sexless' same sex relationships and co-living situations, so there is at least a little indication there that they might be a thing that exist.
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Aug 29, 2016 09:29
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Mak0rz posted:Use of the following is prohibited during MGTOW Shabbat: They would also have to ban developing an outsider political ideology based around feeling persecuted by the other gender, so it would be pretty self-defeating. Well, self-defeating in an ironic sense where it actually makes the men going their own way less self-defeating by defeating the movement.
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Aug 29, 2016 14:39
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Troposphere posted:I am so glad a straight guy is here to tell me, a lesbian, what lesbians are Much like my disability argument I'm not arguing my own self created opinion, I'm arguing for some respect towards the lived experience derived opinion of a member of the group I am talking about, and only really pursuing it hard because it is met with aggressive misinterpretation. You may be a lesbian, but you aren't all lesbians, and you aren't women who are by their own admission not sexually attracted to women but in a lesbian relationship. If you are all lesbian women, disregard this and also I kind of want to see how that works. Also, I don't know you from a bar of soap, but I have this vague suspicion your trans is showing. I hope I'm wrong or else I'm a bigger rear end in a top hat than if I'm right.
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Aug 29, 2016 16:59
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Nah, I was just reading a lot of your poo poo as similar to some people I know. I know real lesbians and a few political ones. None would like you, as they don't like having their experience denied by anyone, including other lesbians.
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Aug 29, 2016 17:05
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The disability argument: from a talk by Stella Young, disability advocate and television personality, whose opinion on disability issues I trust more than Pick. The existence of political lesbian arguments: from the statements of a majority of political lesbians. I'm open to being convinced I'm wrong, as Im not a member of these groups I must base my knowledge on the communicated experience of members of the group. However, some very persuasive speakers from those groups have already made their case to me, in a way that doesn't rely entirely on insulting me or misinterpreting me. I like those speakers enough that I repeat their opinions, usually with sources upfront, but that would appear stilted in gbs, and I usually don't encounter much anger at anything I say, probably because every second post is self-deprecation, so didn't assume such high levels of diplomacy were necessary.
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Aug 29, 2016 17:15
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Troposphere posted:my lesbians could beat up your lesbians Aussie rules footie team that call themselves the wylde dykes, loving bring it.
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Aug 29, 2016 17:16
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Pick posted:lmao telling people with medical problems to feel differently about people fetishizing them, you're a terf, your trans is showing I specifically said I don't have the fetish. I do work with intellectual disability, mainly men, I'm not getting any kicks out of that, although I do get my clothes ripped off a disturbing amount. Moreover I contributed to a report about sexual abuse in the disability sector, which will do more to help the lives of disabled people than all of the condescension you can summon for me. Let me loving explain the full context for those desperate to hate me: pretty much the most important disability advocate in australian histories opinion on disability fetishists: starts by ridiculing those with no knowledge of the difficulties involved in living with a disability. States she is fully down if they actually care about her experience and supporting her. Jokes with crowd about porn, before stating that she believes they are out there because her friend connected with the fetish community and now has more eligible, marriage material, bachelors chasing her than the average woman Concludes she would do it if she didn't think it might end up hurting her television career. The political lesbian one, again: the words of political lesbians. I'm pretty sure you even described situations involving it. As to self-reflection, I don't need help with that from someone like you. Both because I'm already doing it constantly and because you are too flawed to provide advice, like you couldn't even disagree with any point I made about you besides the one I backed away from. On top of that, my most lurked thread before I started posting was the bad webcomics thread. I know your fetish, it involves gay men, sometimes in abusive relationships, and you've dedicated more time to it than my entire porn watching experience. You don't belong to that group, you don't speak to their experience and have no business fetishising them. But I don't think you're a bad person who is a danger to or even insulting gay men.
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Aug 29, 2016 17:31
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Granted trans comment was a lovely thing to say, I deserve to cop some flak for that. I'm not really all that used to internet arguing, doing my best not to throw out random meanness but also don't like hearing some things implied about myself that are kind of contrary to how I live my life, by people whose identity I wasn't really questioning, and who I usually like as posters on top of that.
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Aug 29, 2016 17:38
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Pick posted:lol yeah the many abusive relationships in my webcomic about space clocks Gay Vampires and extensive knowledge of yaoi trends is what I was getting at. I don't think you should think anything about men who fetishise you, do as you will, I wasn't trying to change your mind. I put out the first post that brought this on mainly as a joke, amongst the million other joke posts I have done in this thread. You responded with reasonable and friendly disagreement and no personal connection, explicitly shifting it to a friend. So I thought I could kind of argue the alternative without hurting you or getting dumped on myself, while throwing in a boner distribution joke at the end, but it didn't turn out that way unfortunately and I somehow ended up some abusive carer fetish guy so had to defend the less horrible intentions behind what I was trying to say. Seems like I should of just taken it though rather than doubling down because this seems worse for both of us, which sucks big time.
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Aug 29, 2016 17:54
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gigawhite posted:Someday a white man is going to blow up the moon and I'll say "I knew this was going to happen" Read up on US space race history and you'll see we actually already considered nuking it just to prove we have a bigger dick than the next guy. Unfortunately, cooler heads prevailed. Possibly interference by feminists?
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Aug 29, 2016 18:38
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Women conspired with the moon against the US space program, due to the moon's traditional association with menstruation.
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Moridin920 posted:omali yeshitela has some interesting lectures Lately he has been taking credit for Onix's insights though. Not cool omali.
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