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So I'm watching Friday Night Lights season 5 and there's this story line where the coach tries to get the his star player and the players father to allow all the contact from college recruiters to go through him. There seems to be a bunch of drama surrounding all the courting colleges are doing to try and recruit high school players. I guess I was wondering what the big deal is? Why are there such strict rules surrounding recruitment? Why aren't you supposed to accept any gifts or even allow recruiters to pay for a meal or anything? Why does it matter to anyone if a recruiter picks up the tab at dinner? Or even something bigger, if a college wants to buy some kid a car for playing football at their college why is that a problem?
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Jul 25, 2016 08:34
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Because the NCAA is obsessed with the concept of amateurism.
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Jul 25, 2016 15:27
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if they allow that stuff it starts to cut into the bottom line of the universities making millions from their amateur athletes as they compete with one another for top tier talent
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Jul 25, 2016 22:05
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astr0man posted:Because the NCAA is obsessed with the concept of amateurism. Really? The whole "plays a sport but doesn't get paid for it" seems like a hilariously arbitrary thing to be made into a point of differentiation. I guess the idea is that if you're not getting paid then you have to support yourself with other means thus you don't have as much time to dedicate yourself fully to the sport, so you should be in a different class than those who do get paid. However this seems somewhat moot with college kids, and really it seems like the powers that be have taken it to the point of absurdity anyway. Twilight Matrix posted:if they allow that stuff it starts to cut into the bottom line of the universities making millions from their amateur athletes as they compete with one another for top tier talent It does make sense that colleges would want to avoid a climate that leads to massive bidding wars, but it's pretty funny to see them break their own rules privately. Is the NCAA essentially controlled by the universities?
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Jul 26, 2016 20:40
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The NCAA is not obsessed with amateurism; they are obsessed with the appearance of amateurism. The idea is that "these are student-athletes, their reward is getting a good college degree which will last the rest of their life without paying for tuition or accomodation". Yes, it's one of the most staggeringly brass-necked hypocritical things you've ever heard of. Welcome to America.
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Jul 27, 2016 12:46
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How can anyone honestly think people that are focused on and training athletics or sports to the level required to compete in the American college scene are in any way academic? It's basically mutually exclusive. You can have a smart sportsperson, but the actual time required to turn someone with 'potential' into an actually successful professional adult (learning the body of work that came before you) pretty much precludes running around an oval for 4 hours a day or whatever.
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Jul 28, 2016 01:28
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Trin Tragula posted:The NCAA is not obsessed with amateurism; they are obsessed with the appearance of amateurism. Well, you see the thing is it's only hypocritical for football. For basically any other sport the athletic requirements are far less so the degree is worth more in comparison. If you play women's sports you're definitely getting a free ride.
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Jul 28, 2016 06:01
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What's the value of a free ride if you use it to major in general studies? I had a quick look at the Michigan wrestling roster; there's some guys doing actual degrees and plenty doing the classic football majors.
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Jul 28, 2016 08:28
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Trin Tragula posted:What's the value of a free ride if you use it to major in general studies? I had a quick look at the Michigan wrestling roster; there's some guys doing actual degrees and plenty doing the classic football majors. My old High School QB was a bit of a nerd and took all the AP classes our senior year, and basically got a free ride from a non-powerhouse college. In a good year his team would go 2-11. The football program at his University used to make most of the big bucks playing pre-season games, and getting their asses kicked by the powerhouses. But hey, he got a free ride, and saved himself about $100,000 in personal debt, then went on to become a doctor, and last I checked he was working as a general practitioner. thrakkorzog fucked around with this message at 09:51 on Jul 28, 2016 |
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Jul 28, 2016 09:44
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Aside from all the "gently caress the NCAA rhetoric", the other reason for having these rules is to make the playing field more equal. It is literally impossible to make every school equally attractive to students (location, history, facilities, etc are all different), but the one thing they can do is make sure the large, storied programs don't simply outspend smaller or up and coming programs. In the 80's some schools actually got into bidding wars over students, offering huge sums of money and gifts (Eric Dickerson got a gold trans am and one school offered him a loving oil well). I suggest watching the ESPN 30 for 30 called The Pony Excess to see what happens when schools offer gifts and money and such. It was still against the rules at the time, but it was also the wild west for a while. Bagmen still exist, and some of the more talented players get some kind of benefits, but its nowhere close to what they bring in revenue wise.
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Jul 28, 2016 19:24
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Yea, that's a big part of what those rules are about. If you let schools just offer anything or any amount of money, in a very short time we'd have 3-5 behemoth programs that win national championships every other year, and nobody else would be able to compete. The situation is already close enough to that as it is, without those rules there would be zero competition(except for like the last two games of every season I guess) worth watching in major college sports.
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Jul 28, 2016 20:55
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The other issue is that then you'd have schools blowing millions of dollars on their sports programs while cutting funding from the things that a college is actually supposed to loving do like, you know, teaching students. Every time you spend $100,000 to grab a star athlete that's a professor's job gone. College sports are supposed to be a neat thing on the side that you do in school and not the focus of why you're there. Which is kind of an inherent problem of the American school system in general; rear end loads of money are spent on college sports and are the focus for some peoples' time there. American colleges are also becoming increasingly expensive while spending more money on non-teaching things like sports, administration, and fancy buildings. Remember that this is also teenagers you're dealing with, who aren't exactly known for their good judgement. "Hey, this school will give me a free ride, a car, and $50,000 to sign up and play football!!!! Awesome!" without looking into the details. What if the school expects you to make college sports a full time job? Good luck finding time to study properly. Is that full ride worth it? Does it come with restrictions? Does it only pay for a certain number of years? Is that school even reputable? Who hires people from that school? What will your degree be worth? Without restrictions you'd be basically guaranteed to start getting private schools with deep pockets profiting off of college sports while handing out worthless degrees.
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Jul 31, 2016 18:18
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The rule is dont get caught, and thats pretty much it. I had alot of friends play big time college ball and was recruited for both baseball and football, ended up pursuing baseball at a top ten program when I was in college. They dont go too wild unless your a 5 star guy, or they are real high om you to plug a hole, but its still money, hoes and clothes. Guys got free cars and rent paid for. Look at Tunsil for instance as the most recent example. They have pretty college girls escort you around campus, and flirt with you, text you, poo poo like that and as a high school kid have a mid twenties college hottie gas you is a hell of an incentive. Ask specifics i guess if you want
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Aug 1, 2016 22:50
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I was being recruited by three different division 1 colleges and I got all kinds of free trips and food and clothes and poo poo.
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Aug 3, 2016 20:40
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Waroduce posted:The rule is dont get caught, and thats pretty much it. I had alot of friends play big time college ball and was recruited for both baseball and football, ended up pursuing baseball at a top ten program when I was in college. They dont go too wild unless your a 5 star guy, or they are real high om you to plug a hole, but its still money, hoes and clothes. Guys got free cars and rent paid for. Look at Tunsil for instance as the most recent example. I'd certainly like to hear more about university administrations running their own pseudo-escort service and stopping just short of pimping out the co-ed members of their student body to high school kids.
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Aug 4, 2016 01:41
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You're talking about teenage girls? There would be no pimping involved, just offer them the opportunity to have dibs on the latest hotties coming through the uni and I'm sure they'll be there in cheerleader outfits.
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Aug 4, 2016 01:49
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-Blackadder- posted:I'd certainly like to hear more about university administrations running their own pseudo-escort service and stopping just short of pimping out the co-ed members of their student body to high school kids. Word, so the coaches and players and poo poo are usually busy....doing their jobs. So you show up for a visit, either official or unofficial and you get assigned a campus guide. This guide is always female, always extremely attractive, probably greek and will be your personal chaperone around campus all day. She'll show you the buildings, the facilities, both academic and athletic, library, cool spots on or near campus....whatever. Its a tour. Now they aren't pimped out, but everyone's real young, the guys are in amazing shape, extremely confident, and stars. If you play big time college ball you were the best player on your team unless you went to a factory like I did. Anyway, they're also young and in college and hormones happen. There were absolutely girls and visits where not poo poo happened cause she had a boyfriend or cause they didn't do that or whatever, but you know....the girls at Georgia did it or whatever so you're lookin for it and they know it. they take you to parties and introduce you to their friends and sisters and than hormones. So its not like an official escort service and I'm sure the coaches "don't know" but poo poo happens. So you leave, and they text you, hey hows it going, whats up, did you like the campus, what are you thinking, and of course they feed all that back to the recruitment department. Get a little flirty, especially if ya'll hosed or whatever, you wanna keep the pussy warm in case you go there and yeah. that's pretty much it.
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Aug 5, 2016 23:35
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I went to the university of Oregon, and the amount of special treatment that is given by the school to the athletes is insane. Anyone who is a part of a NCAA sanctioned sport are all literally a class above all other students. Special tutoring, free clothes and food, anything that can make their college experience better. And that's just what I could notice from the outside. My question is: if this is all so obvious to anyone who's at the school, how do they all get away with it? The NCAA is supposedly always investigating something around here (and other programs I'm sure) but they never find poo poo.
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Aug 6, 2016 00:37
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Welcome to GBS posted:I went to the university of Oregon, and the amount of special treatment that is given by the school to the athletes is insane. Anyone who is a part of a NCAA sanctioned sport are all literally a class above all other students. Special tutoring, free clothes and food, anything that can make their college experience better. And that's just what I could notice from the outside. Tutoring is part of the program. Student athletes put in a ton of time training and traveling, so they are allowed tutors to help with the busy schedule. The only clothes they get are for training and game day purposes. If they resell them, then they get nailed for impermissible benefits and while people are caught all the time, it probably is only a small fraction that are actually caught. Food is a meal plan, and was famously controversial. For instance, recruits could be served bagels, but only one topping could be provided. If you put out cream cheese, that was ok. Put out two different flavored cream cheeses, or lox and capers and that was considered a recruiting violation. Also, the food was strictly dictated to be a certain number of meals per week, which meant sometimes you had athletes going to bed hungry. It has since been changed to allow for snacks and such. Its all about documentation and self reporting. Every school has a compliance department. If you say "hey we accidentally gave a recruit/player a meal they shouldn't have had" the NCAA is usually fine. But if the NCAA discovers it then its basically like grand larceny to them.
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Aug 6, 2016 04:20
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swickles posted:For instance, recruits could be served bagels, but only one topping could be provided. If you put out cream cheese, that was ok. Put out two different flavored cream cheeses, or lox and capers and that was considered a recruiting violation. Also, the food was strictly dictated to be a certain number of meals per week, which meant sometimes you had athletes going to bed hungry. It has since been changed to allow for snacks and such. I'm not sure if your referring to recruits or athletes but any decent school gets out of the meal/food limit thing by having a dining hall with like different stations and buffett style serving. I would go to the sandwich shack, the pasta thing and the grill and get a bunch of food, eat until I couldn't move and than take some with me . Plus, your always given enough food. As an athlete food is fuel, and you need it to perform. Plus the whole nutrition craze with shakes and juices and all that bullshit was just hitting when I played and we got that poo poo for free after lifting as well as a customized diet and nutrition plan
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Aug 6, 2016 05:09
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Pretty sure you can also get around stuff like that but making it no athlete specific. Well hey we know juice is good for you so over at the rec center there is this little room with free juice that most students never hear about but the athletes are all told about. I mean hey we don't turn other students away we just don't advertise it, you know what I mean? Compliance departments are part "how do we not break rules?" And part "how much can we get away with and how do we do it?"
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Aug 6, 2016 16:41
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