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Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH
Have a good time, Pyrion; and don't joke about Chinese porn.

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Jul 9, 2001

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Internet Kraken posted:

Who is the villain of this TI gonna be

China is almost always thrust in the villain role because of their cultural insularity. That exists both nationally, because there's few interviews, no memes, no Chinese players hanging out in Twitch chat or shitposting on Twitter; but also a lot in their gaming scene. Their scene is the same fifty guys playing musical chairs, though it's rapidly shrunk to about 30 guys at this rate.

Wings is great because they're loving weird and aside from Iceice's brief stint supporting in BigGod nobody's really heard of them before this year.

Prediction based on what I genuinely think is going to happen, not based on my own biases: 1. LGD, 2. OG, 3. Liquid, 4. Navi, 5. Newbee

Prediction based on my personal fan biases that I troll you all with: 1. Liquid, 2. LGD, 3. Navi, 4. EG, 5. Wings. (OG = LOL, Secret = somewhere underneath DC)

I would really, really like a Liquid championship, for a bunch of reasons ranging from "Mutumbaman rules" to wanting the run of no repeat orgs/players to continue.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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Cabbit posted:

I cannot take serious any team with Jacky "Eternal Envy" "Bone 7 Give Me Strength" "I BECOME CLOWN NINE" "LMAO" Mao as a villain. He immediately turns Darth Vader into Dark Helmet.

The new "Spaceballs taken seriously" trilogy of Star Wars villains are probably a better fit since their leader is 90 feet tall and rarely makes public appearances.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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For only ~$600, you can play this game with Team Secret.

Whoever the gently caress "Team Secret" is going to be in a few weeks is yet to be determined pending kicks.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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It's time for Fear to pass the torch of NAdota icon to Jimmy.

Although it would more appropriate if the torch was thrown rather than passed.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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Why do they hold TI in North America?

So the first team to be eliminated have a short trip home.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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This Navi draft started cool but turned into [flatulence sounds] very quickly, and now it's just Escape destroying everyone not named Dendi.

gently caress this mess, I should watch Wings.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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Wings at TI: "have they ever played this before?"
"Uhhhhhh, once."

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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Wings for grand champion

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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EG can't handle these Pudge pickers

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Jul 9, 2001

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Cabbit posted:

I really like Aui.

Aui could not have pulled that relocate save off.

PieLieDie can/does. But he also gets a lot of practice because Envy.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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Was Wings just too wacky this game? You have to wonder if they picked that Magnus with confidence or with, uh, over-confidence.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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LD, please be a little less "NBA Jam" with the commentary.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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Wings may start in the lower bracket, but I can't think of a team that can win a BO1 for their lives better than the unexpected surprise draft team.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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I'm amused when people rat Alliance with Bulldog heroes, but gently caress Naga forever.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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Mikasa gonna win this one for everyone 30+.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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I can't believe it took me this long to watch a game with Earth Spirit.

DC, though...

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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It won't cost them the game, but :lol: at that Moon chrono freezing Miracle while he was busy being a boss.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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This feels like the first group stage where anybody can beat anybody, except maybe Escape. Wings had a rough first go but then took a game from OG who have the DK/Secret "unstoppable fan favorite" thing going on.


Internet Kraken posted:

Is Dendi the only original Navi member left on the team?

:eng101: Navi was originally XBOCT and some Russian guys. Dendi and Artstyle came from DTS, which was v1lat's old team; and Puppey came from I don't remember because his history pre-TI1 is a whole lot of friendstacks with names like "Bob's Big Dick Buddies."

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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Holy poo poo Jimmy Ho :vince:

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Jul 9, 2001

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The Glumslinger posted:

So I really don't watch much dota, but there seem to be a lot more early team fights than in previous years? Is that the direction of the current meta, or am I just happening to find aggressive games?
The last year of patching trends:
Killing AI things = less gold
Killing players = more gold

Basically they aren't going to get rid of stacking, even if it's an illogical Warcraft 3 anachronism, but they're going to make it a lot less important. Last year's games had a lot of enormous ancient stacks and teams fighting over them and trying to catch each other farming them.

Now, gently caress that. Don't farm dinosaurs and dragons, farm other people.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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Nanomashoes posted:

Tell me more about anti-fun hidden power toxic antipatterns counterplay.
Uh, I wasn't complaining. Game is more awesome now to watch than it's ever been.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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Nanomashoes posted:

I'm complaining. Laning is fun.

It seems to me they wanted to be able to reduce the dependency on the comeback mechanic (because pros hated it) while also controlling the snowball stomp nature (because viewers hated it.) So rather than a winning team getting a huge farm advantage killing trolls and dragons, and the losing team getting back into it by hunting the richest bounty, you go for more straight up manfights.

They've retracted a bit. Winning teams usually have more kills than the 1.5x-2x (with 2x being a typical pub loss) they used to, but they aren't in the 3x range like they were in 6.86. Announcers are having to point out more and more often that the kills count doesn't necessarily indicate who is winning.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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lurksion posted:

:confused: abounds in the LGD-Navi game where Alch's first Aghs upgrade choice goes to himself.

Isn't this what we were all afraid pub players would do?

"Clearly an item to help support players catch up, watch greedy pub carries buy them all."

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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I don't think I've ever seen Maybe gently caress up harder than that game.

Now Agressif having an Artour moment over it :lol:

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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Pyrion came well armored for this fight with the giant manchild.

Edit: those courier plushies look like some manufacturer had a surplus of unlicensed My Little Pony knockoffs.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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Sultan Tarquin posted:

still calls heroes by their dota1 names.

Counter-point: gently caress Blizzard and their implied belief that they have exclusive ownership on calling a light ball "Wisp".

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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What the gently caress happened to EE in this game

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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Is the game coming back or is Secret going to concEEde

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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Puppey with that position 1 Enchantress.

Worst Secret game since ESL Manila.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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"We're going to have to flag this stream as NC-17, because what just happened is illegal in several countries."

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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VikingofRock posted:

Yo which of the four streams is going to be the most entertaining for the next series?

Whichever one has Secret-Fnatic after that garbage fire.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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Pureauthor posted:

EE is consistently a regular International and Majors participant.

Secret was on the cusp of losing their perpetual string of invites at Shanghai, and then as luck would have it they not only did respectably but they won the whole frigging thing. Which gave them more invites to tournaments they performed poorly at. Their past year has been an exercise of how many qualifiers can you skip by sliding along in past results and popularity.

There's a good argument to be made that placing second at Frankfurt and first on Shanghai actually hurt them because they almost never played online for any stakes all the way from Frankfurt to TI, getting beaten by teams that had to earn their trip to LAN.

Some of it is probably due to the prestige of Valve-sponsored tournaments. Placing second at a Major seems to mean more in people's minds than placing second at Epicenter or an ESL event.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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Envy chokes from time to time but it's not like good players can't compensate for them. It's having him and rtz together on one team makes every game a struggle.

Both guys are less amazing than they were when they were on Secret without the other. Who knows why.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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If only Secret could prevent the enemy team from banning Huskar in the first phase somehow.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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(Huskar banned)
"gg"
(Dramatic music, scoreboard shows up all zeroes)

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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Don't listen to him. Newbee lasted nearly seventeen minutes. :smug::china:

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

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https://youtu.be/pWa0dZMHYeE

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Jul 9, 2001

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drunken officeparty posted:

I didn't get to watch the wildcards so explain in great detail to me because lmabo

Pinoys won so easily the first game that they picked Meepo out of arrogance and won again.

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Jul 9, 2001

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drunken officeparty posted:

I'm surpised that this lady caster who's name I can't remember right now on stream 3 was invited to cast TI. I've only ever seen her do like tier 8 na casts at 3am with 100 viewers

why her over Llama

She's good. She just never any exposure because she was a Hitbox exclusive streamer casting minor league games for many moons, and Twitch is sadly in a monopoly position for anyone who wasn't gambling on two-bit tournaments.

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