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steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Blue Star posted:

Also, when I say that whites stole all of their culture, I'm talking about ALL OF IT, not just white American culture. This goes back centuries. The Greeks and Romans stole poo poo from the Egyptians. Philosophy, architecture, technology, everything. All through history. The Renaissance was started by stealing poo poo from Muslims. All those Italian paintings that everyone likes? Stolen. All that music? Stolen.

Meanwhile the Egyptian hive mind sprung from its earthen womb fully formed.

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steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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lol, Blue Star's posting history is a treasure trove.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Anyway, white culture, what about hot rods, rat rods and crap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yisBosYO8J8

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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mrbradlymrmartin posted:

Music is theft.

No music ever happened in Europe before the discovery of the Americas.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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But at least we can agree that Italian immigrants who came to America in 1910 are complicit in Atlantic slave trade.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Socialism

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Post-modernism

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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gobbagool posted:

OK edgelord, so we can all make sure we're playing the game by your ruleset, let's you start with naming working institutions from *any* culture that work, because I have a feeling your input to others' suggestions will be simply to tersely dismiss whatever they say. So, Nevvy, let's have it, do you believe that there are any institutions in any culture that work?

I'm sure many warlords would say patrimonialism and clientelism work out great for them.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Elias_Maluco posted:

This raises an interesting question: is latin america part of the "white culture"? Being that it was colonized by white people and, to this day, in most places the government and institutions are mostly ruled by white people

They are the perfect mix of white and "ethnic", allowing them to be used both to bash the evil white people and praise the brown people depending on context.

icantfindaname posted:

:yikes:

I thought you were from Chile? I thought you didn't have ethnic minority underclasses and used socialists and populists as the whipping boy for petty middle class bigots to scream about? Cause from what I'm getting out of your posts you're some kind of bizarre self-hating Nazi who is sad your home country is insufficiently white

Case in point

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Dzhay posted:

You probably can talk about "the culture of typical white Americans" and make some meaningful statements, but please stop pretending it would have anything to do with, say, Lithuanians.

Also don't expect clear boundaries. Like, why would you?

What does a hot dog vendor from Reform, Alabama have in common with a Silicon Valley engineer? Is he closer to the engineer than to a black guy from the same town?

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Kopijeger posted:

Which raises an obvious question: What is Black Culture? And, for that matter, what is "Brown", "Yellow" or even "Red" culture?

Black culture is whatever the white people feel it's supposed to be.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Brainiac Five posted:

That's right, anti-racist is code for white genocide.

Thank you for demonstrating white culture on the internet by shitposting like a champ.

Nevvy Z posted:

Black culture is every black people do that white people don't steal

hosed up if true

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Brainiac Five posted:

So when are you gonna move to Hungary?

Are you some sort of Markov chain generator? What are you talking about?

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Brainiac Five posted:

There's only one nation ready to defend the world against the horror of people bashing the white race, and that's Hungary.

My point has been that "white people" like to effectively strip the various South American people of agency by framing them rhetorically in ways that are convenient to their ad-hoc feel-good narratives, no matter what the reality may be, thus poisoning the well for them in the wider discourse. Unfortunately you are apparently retarded and insist on some non-sequitur conclusion.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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White Northern Europeans are literally the most worthless humans in existence, imho. Just die in your frozen wasteland (probably of a bad case of ego over-inflation) and make the world a better place.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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So, some white culture things to keep the thread rolling: Cultural relativism

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Crowsbeak posted:

Please gas chamber this thread.

Gassing privilege is very white, Aryan even.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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an skeleton posted:

gently caress white pride but really gently caress any pride that is based off of genetic heritage imo

lol, saying that all white people ever weren't slaver child murderers makes you a neo-nazi

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Who What Now posted:

Yeah, how dare minorities feel any kind of positive emotion like pride!

Now tell us how "actually all lives matter".

pride is a mortal sin

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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SedanChair posted:

It's always fun to watch you try to take some distance from bigot euro fascists, but in the end you can't help throwing in with them

The crowds of european fascists haunting the embattled halls of D&D are truly a sight to behold.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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an skeleton posted:

No.

edit: Obviously you need to define bad, define black pride, etc. for the answer to be precise. I'm somewhat of a futurist and I want there to be a future where there is no reason to have pride based on one's race, and therefore I hope we get to a point where it is no longer necessary to have "X pride". But in our current conditions I think it can be useful, defensible, understandable to have black pride.

So you are a fascist Italian poet? You are just adding to Sedan's narrative!

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Who What Now posted:

So were you lying when you said this:


Or are you lying now?

In a thread obsessed about identity, people seem to be quite happy to ignore that identities have their own semantic universes attached to them. Isn't is quite obvious that when a white guy is talking about how pride based on ethnicity is a bad concept, his meaning is quite different from the similar language used when talking about black pride? The two have different experiences and different frames of reference, so pretending that just because they use the same words, they are conveying the same meaning, means that you are either profoundly ignorant, or arguing in bad faith.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Jerry Cotton posted:

This doesn't really hold water.

why

are you literally saying that white pride and black pride are equivalent i meaning? A white person talking about pride is inherently going to project it downwards, identifying himself against the lower strata of society as he sees them - the black person is going to project her pride upwards, rejecting the conventional hierarchy. Yet the basic verbal instruments used by them are the same.

steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Jul 30, 2016

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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doverhog posted:

Are you trying to attack people for using the wrong words, according to you, or to understand what they actually mean when they say something?

All I'm saying is that when somebody says "huh, white pride is a bad thing, ethnic pride has no place in modern society", it makes no sense to go and answer with "So you hate black pride and black people???"

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Brainiac Five posted:

Maybe for Czechs it doesn't, but for people who don't live in Lily-land, the equating of "black power" and "white pride" is very common as a way to legitimize white supremacy and attack antiracism.

Right, we are un-people, for the sake of progress

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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an skeleton posted:

I didn't say the words you said. gently caress a "concept" is different than "people who adhere to this concept should go gently caress themselves". Quite different, I think.

Here is what I meant by "gently caress ethnic/racial pride" (paraphrase)

I mean, if I was in a hall, surrounded by ideas, and I had a limited amount of "idea dollars" to spend on selecting and developing ideas which I thought were good for society, I would probably not spend these idea dollars on making sure society had a healthy dose of "racial pride". I don't think that is where our mental focus is best directed. Now, for people that do happen to have something akin to it, maybe they have a good reason and it has helped them do good things for themselves or others, that's all fine and dandy. But I don't think it is the best, most direct way to do those things. So maybe "gently caress ethnic/racial pride" isn't the best way to articulate what I was saying, here on this internet forum.

ok, this is quite possibly the workst possible way of defending your argument.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Isn't racial pride in this context just a culturally conditioned stand-in for other concepts, I'm pretty sure if black pride stood for preventing people from participating in elections, it wouldn't be seen as a very positive force. There's no inherent value to be had, it's all about relations to fundamental sociological variables.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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an skeleton posted:

we have a limited amount of time in which to improve society
as such, we should think about how we do so (deciding which ideas are worth promoting/considering over others)
in my view, i dont think "racial pride" is the optimal way to do it

what exactly is the issue

Society isn't a machine that can be engineered to use its "time" more efficiently according to some rigid scheme. That would just lead to new unforeseen grievances arising. The best we can do is allow all people to be heard and present their social critique.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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an skeleton posted:

Nope but people can be taught to realize their time is valuable and perhaps better used advancing some ideas or concepts over others. And I like to think as long as there are people like me saying "uhhh hey maybe racial pride as a tool for societal advancement is a bit outdated, lets try something else" maybe more people will shift their ideas into more productive directions.

Well, framing it as a matter of time efficiency seems to be extremely ineffective in winning over hearts and minds. There are much better ways to frame it.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Who What Now posted:

I'm asking you to explain why you think you know better than people with racial pride.

Racial pride *chops off filthy Tutsi arms*

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steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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only pride is class pride

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