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Two mornings ago there were some ladies on my TV talking about how vitally important it is for corporate advertising to be more inclusive, because I guess I that's where the real battles are being waged these days.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:yea that was...interesting to read Hahaha holy poo poo. So I guess Peter David must be real salty about them making Magneto a Jew again back in the 90s instead of a drat dirty Gypsy?
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Fidel Castronaut posted:Um, everything is political lol. You must be a hit at parties.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:They are honest-to-god, unironic Neo-Nazis. I still don't understand who they are. What are their numbers, what are their demographics, who are their leaders, how are they organized, etc.?
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I don't have concrete numbers for most of those but spoiler alert their 'demographics' are 'super white with a few weird outliers' Well, obviously. But I think we kind of do need to have concrete numbers and information and stuff like that, because otherwise I don't think anyone can honestly claim to know what they're actually talking about when they say "alt-right." I don't think it's very useful to just vaguely wave our hands in the general direction of 4chan. Like, I hear that Milo guy is part of the alt-right, but despite his repugnant xenophobia he doesn't seem to me to be adhering to an ideology that can honestly be described as literally embodying the tenets of National Socialism, which is apparently an integral and necessary part of being "alt-right." It's all just kind of confusing. Call me crazy, but think it's kind of important to have a bit more concrete information about what is apparently a powerful and influential, ideologically neo-Nazi movement in the United States of America.
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Spider-Man's greatest villain is a wealthy, sociopathic CEO of a multinational corporation. He's the mirror image of Spider-Man, who's a struggling, salt-of-the-earth member of the lower class with strong community ties and a defining belief in responsibility towards the welfare of his fellow man. Spider-Man, or at least early Spider-Man as defined by Lee and Ditko back in the 60's, was certainly a power fantasy (in the personally empowering sense that these types of stories tend to be) but not at all an inherently fascist one. Reifying abstract concepts and evils as discrete, physical beings that can be fought and defeated is a storytelling technique as old as the human race itself, and an effective and compelling one. I don't like the idea of attacking some of the most basic foundations of mythic storytelling in the name of some all-consuming cultural revolution. There's no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Fascism doesn't lay sole claim to the idea of the empowerment of the individual. As for the idea that Marvel is fascist simply because it often portrays government institutions as ineffective and corrupt, necessitating direct action by citizens, well that's not really valid either. That's just a reflection of reality. The problem lies when the people taking direct action then become that very oppressive, undemocratic force represented by the government, after which point they themselves need to be reined in. This is actually an issue that's dealt with in the past by the comics, albeit not entirely successfully. I don't read modern superhero comics anymore and I stopped watching Marvel movies after Avengers 2 so I can't really speak with authority to everything that's going on now.
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:Did you guys know that superheros are basically modern day mythical figures? They are though. Why is flippancy so often mistaken for maturity nowadays?
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steinrokkan posted:So it's both fascist, and childishly simplistic (which is also a feature of actual fascist culture). How is it fascist? Use your words, buddy. 
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Blue Train posted:This is completely reasonable and stan lee is obviously being a weasly little bitch That's loving stupid actually. This is what Lee said: quote:To Whom It May Concern: That's a definitive, in-depth, and unambiguous acknowledgment of Ditko's central role in the creation of the character. There's nothing weaselly about it. Whatever Lee's other transgressions (and I've read all about them) getting mad about this particular statement because he used the word "considered" is just insane. A Gnarlacious Bro posted:Because superheros suck rear end dude Why? And why is it considered so verboten to note their undeniable similarities to ancient mythic storytelling techniques? Just because something is obvious doesn't make it trite or not worth analyzing. And is it really true that there's no such thing as worthwhile culture that isn't overtly and unambiguously Marxist in nature? That seems like an extremely sad and limiting stance to take, IMO. Nothing wrong it that's your bag, though. I respect your preferences. This is all pretty off-topic though. steinrokkan posted:The idea of a strong individual leading superhuman struggle against a concentrated, personified evil not just reactionary, it's literally what Italian fascists built their mythology around. Just because it's a storytelling structure that can be co-opted by fascists does not make it inherently fascist. For example, populist storytelling structures can and have been co-opted by fascists just as easily as they have been made use of by socialist reformers. There's nothing inherently fascist about stories about individuals engaging in metaphorical battles against evil. Those stories are just reflecting one aspect of a larger tapestry of reality that includes both the individual and the collective in a constant state of give-and-take with one another, and I don't think it's the stories themselves that are the problem but the way we're taught to relate to those stories. You're the one being overly simplistic here. quote:Also, That's just a really nasty and dismissive thing to say and I don't think you'd ever say it in real life to someone who was a perfectly kind and caring person who also happened to like sci fi or fantasy or video games or superhero comic books, because you'd be rightly afraid of looking like a complete and total rear end in a top hat. My sweet old grandma is a cool, caring, smart, progressive lady who volunteers to take care of disabled elders and has been good to me and everyone else she's ever met all her life, and she thinks all these super hero movies are neat as poo poo, and I used to love going to see them with her back when I lived near her even though I didn't really care for them myself. She's not a "loving loser." I think you're a loving loser who says weird and antisocial things on the Internet and acts superior to everyone for engaging in popular harmless pursuits that don't meet your incredibly narrow ideological litmus tests, in a really unpleasant and counterproductive way that doesn't actually accomplish anything good or useful or life-affirming. The difference between you and me is that I would have no problem saying all these things to you in real life if you acted the way you're acting now. I get that this is just how these boards are and it's considered "caremad" and  to break the fourth wall by drawing attention to it, but it's true and it's no wonder Lowtax hates this place and considers it toxic.
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