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MonkeyOnFire posted:Yup, he's still at it this morning. Didn't McCain endorse Trump though? Or am I mistaken?
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iospace posted:Speaking of Khans: Muslim Army?  
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iospace posted:Didn't McCain endorse Trump though? Or am I mistaken? Yeah, last I remember McCain was all aboard the Trump train. Can't imagine what's going through his head at this very moment; if nothing else, he's a man of principle, and not the kind of person you'd ever expect to back down from a pledge, but between this and the whole "I like people who weren't captured" deal (plus the effects a failed Trump candidacy might have on McCain's re-election, slim though they may be) there's probably a great deal of buyer's remorse.
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Aug 1, 2016 14:07
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Someone should tell these people that it's okay to withdraw your endorsement even if and especially if endorsing in the first place was a monumental gently caress-up. Edit: if someone contacted Reagan with an ouija board (and got the pre-Alzheimer's Reagan) and explained the situation he'd go "The Eleventh Commandment doesn't apply to orange-faced poorly coiffed billionaires who are going to end the party, Jesus Christ." Sulphagnist fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Aug 1, 2016 |
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Aug 1, 2016 14:09
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One of Trump's guys accused Khizr Khan of being a Muslim Brotherhood double agent. Why a Pakistani guy who left in the late 70s would be interested in recruiting for an Egyptian organization, I have no idea. Oh right, because Muslims are all a shadowy monolithic group of anti-American terrorists.
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MonkeyOnFire posted:Yeah, last I remember McCain was all aboard the Trump train. Can't imagine what's going through his head at this very moment; if nothing else, he's a man of principle, and not the kind of person you'd ever expect to back down from a pledge, but between this and the whole "I like people who weren't captured" deal (plus the effects a failed Trump candidacy might have on McCain's re-election, slim though they may be) there's probably a great deal of buyer's remorse. I'm sure a lot of people are, but none of them refuse to retract their endorsements. As I said in the Trump thread, it feels the only member of the GOP who comes out ahead here is going to be Kasich. He didn't endorse and he's leaving a trail of evidence that he was against Trump from the get go. Barring a magical win from Trump, Kasich wins in the long run.
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Aug 1, 2016 14:10
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Random question - remember that ad Trump made where he's tallying up the amount of applause he received at the convention? Is it just me, or did he steal the background music from some major flash game? I could have sworn I've heard it before.
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Aug 1, 2016 14:15
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Epic High Five posted:Interesting for Fox to say, considering they ran a Benghazi ad over his speech Both Pat Smith and Khizar Khan were in the non-Primetime hours that usually don't have a big impact. In terms of why Khan got more press than Smith, part of it is that "Hillary murdered people at Benghazi" is already fairly played out as a story, and maybe part of it was Khan being more compelling than Smith (I didn't watch the RNC, so IDK). But the biggest reason Khan's in the news and Smith isn't is because Donald Trump is a moron. The correct thing to do when you get hit by something like Khizar Khan's speech is to take the hit and go talk about something else. Maybe there's an edge case where you can try to deflect the attack ("I'm sorry your son died and I honor your sacrifice, but Hillary Clinton's Iraq vote was what put him in harm's way"), but most of the time you just accept that you've lost the news cycles of the DNC and focus on making a splash over the weekend or on Monday to re-take the momentum or news cycle. Stuff outside of primetime isn't really seen by most voters, since it's only on the cable news networks and CSPAN, instead of on the broadcast networks. Instead, Trump launched a head-on attack against a Gold Star family and the religion of Islam. Then the Khans smacked him down. So the whole thing stays in the news for another couple days, and EVERYONE hears about it. Not only does Trump look like a monster attacking a Gold Star family, he's giving folks a reason to go watch the original video.
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Trump is making the same mistake that Romney made in 2012 when he engaged in a protracted slapfight with Harry Reid. He's not running against Khan; he should be attacking Hilary directly. Not that any of it matters, of course.
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Aug 1, 2016 14:16
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MonkeyOnFire posted:Yup, he's still at it this morning. None of this means anything unless you are willing to withdraw your endorsement of the candidate.
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iospace posted:Speaking of Khans:
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MattD1zzl3 posted:Quick someone photoshop him into a pokemon "ash" hat. I knew he was a barely closeted pokemon fan. ...you know he actually quoted the Pokemon movie in a speech, right? Cain's run was surreal
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Aug 1, 2016 14:18
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TyrantWD posted:None of this means anything unless you are willing to withdraw your endorsement of the candidate. I'm not sure that means anything either. If you're still doing a coordinated campaign with the Republican Party, you're sending out canvassers saying "vote Trump/McCain", and you're going to have sample ballots which have both of them on it. Plus it's not like your opponent is going to let it go. Samurai Sanders posted:Great...Trump will interpret that as him winning since that's what children do. Hopefully he tries to gloat somehow and gets punched.
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Aug 1, 2016 14:19
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theflyingorc posted:...you know he actually quoted the Pokemon movie in a speech, right?
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Looking at the Trump/Khan fight I have to think to myself that so far it's been amazingly effective. The DNC was last week and it's Monday. We're still talking about it. That's amazing for how the news is currently cycled. The cynic in me knows that the Khans are the perfect foil for Trump. Gold star parents, Muslim, parents of a fallen soldier. Trump doesn't respect Muslims or the military, the second of which should be easy for a republican candidate. Easy. In fact the best way to defuse the situation for Trump is to simply ignore it and gin up new controversy by saying something outlandish and stupid. American attention would shift away from the couple in a heartbeat. However Trump's ego and his inability to regulate himself means that he's going to tilt at this particular windmill over and over again. If the Khans want to step away from the controversy and he won't let them that's even worse. He'll just be seen punching down over and over again and made out to be a bully. I would say that this normally wouldn't have the power to undo Trump, but if he won't let it go and he makes a point of trying to win an unwinnable argument he's going to irreparably damage his reputation with republicans in a way that is obvious. The Khans never had the ability to take down Trump, but Trump's treatment of the Khans is doing serious damage to his image. If I were the democrats I'd be finding more people like this. Trump seems eager for the controversy and is easily baited. He'll take a poke at anything or anyone who offends him no matter how dumb it is. He'll charge stupidly at anything that gets his attention. The normal person in me is sad for the Khans that they're getting used like this. I hope they turn out okay.
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Aug 1, 2016 14:21
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If anyone cares, 538 no longer shows a narrow lead for Trump in any of their polls, and in Polls Plus and Now he's showing >60% for Hillary. Another good poll or two for Clinton and she should be back in the 70% range. Which would make me feel a lot better.
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Aug 1, 2016 14:22
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So does the NY Post and other Murdoch properties hate Trump now that Ailes is gone?  This is pretty distasteful heh.
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Aug 1, 2016 14:23
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theflyingorc posted:If anyone cares, 538 no longer shows a narrow lead for Trump in any of their polls, and in Polls Plus and Now he's showing >60% for Hillary. I just hope people Pokemon Go to the polls.
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Aug 1, 2016 14:25
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Cardboard Box A posted:http://samuelwhitefield.com/1811/four-issues-to-consider-before-you-vote-trump-what-is-really-at-stake GalacticAcid posted:Catholics Must Resist Ethnonationalism - good essay in First Things. These are great until you read the comments and realize that they're all variations on "you're not a true Catholic if you vote for any party that supports abortion" or "no see Trump is totally not racist because..."
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theflyingorc posted:If anyone cares, 538 no longer shows a narrow lead for Trump in any of their polls, and in Polls Plus and Now he's showing >60% for Hillary. It's still a bounce, so things are going to normalize again over the next few weeks. But if Hillary can maintain positive visibility while Trump keeps screaming at war widows and declaring war on Constantinople, the gap should hold.
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Aug 1, 2016 14:26
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MonkeyOnFire posted:Yup, he's still at it this morning. If I remember correctly McCain has never actually endorsed Trump. McCain said the party must follow the will of the people and defended trump back in May. Here is an article about that from back in May: http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/08/politics/john-mccain-donald-trump/ Lots of funny when compared to today. Remember Donald said McCain wasn't a war hero.
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Oxxidation posted:Trump keeps screaming at war widows and declaring war on Constantinople
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FactsAreUseless posted:This won't stick, everyone call tell it's just Istanbull. That's nobody's business but the Turks'.
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Aug 1, 2016 14:28
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Nenonen posted:Muslim Army? Jesus loving Christ, Associated Press.
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Ice Phisherman posted:If I were the democrats I'd be finding more people like [the Khans]. Trump seems eager for the controversy and is easily baited. He'll take a poke at anything or anyone who offends him no matter how dumb it is. He'll charge stupidly at anything that gets his attention. Yeah it's probably not going to be any one single thing that will sink Trump's campaign, but rather a series of different examples of American exceptionalism and multi-culturalism, deliberately baited or otherwise, that Trump will be unable to resist saying something horrible about, one news cycle at a time, all the way to November.
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mcmagic posted:So does the NY Post and other Murdoch properties hate Trump now that Ailes is gone? Aviles never had anything to do with the Post. It's a straight scandal rag, and while it leans right, never passes up an opportunity for a scintillating front page.
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Cardboard Box A posted:http://samuelwhitefield.com/1811/four-issues-to-consider-before-you-vote-trump-what-is-really-at-stake I want to know just what it would take for them to realize Trump is not "the lesser of two evils" or realize that "worship sessions" for a man who is the embodiment of multiple classical Deadly Sins might not be a good thing. Is hating gay people, Muslims, or immigrants the only "morality" they think matters?
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Oxxidation posted:It's still a bounce, so things are going to normalize again over the next few weeks. But if Hillary can maintain positive visibility while Trump keeps screaming at war widows and declaring war on Constantinople, the gap should hold. It is a bounce, but it's a surprisingly large one since it should, in theory, have been limited by the opposition's bounce. I think she'll keep a few points of it for a while.
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Aug 1, 2016 14:36
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theflyingorc posted:It is a bounce, but it's a surprisingly large one since it should, in theory, have been limited by the opposition's bounce. I think she'll keep a few points of it for a while. The bigger part is the jump in her favorability. If that sticks around, it means that people are coming around on her. Plus, I think her bounce might be more durable since some of it came from the convention managing to win over holdouts from the primary.
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Aug 1, 2016 14:38
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Geostomp posted:I want to know just what it would take for them to realize Trump is not "the lesser of two evils" or realize that "worship sessions" for a man who is the embodiment of multiple classical Deadly Sins might not be a good thing. Is hating gay people, Muslims, or immigrants the only "morality" they think matters? "Christian" is who they are as a personal identity, not really a system they follow. While technically they could leave their religion, being Christian is, to them, more like the cultural identity of being American or Southern or Blue Collar. So the rules aren't actually important, it's more about declaring yourself as part of a group and certain other groups as being "other".
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theflyingorc posted:It is a bounce, but it's a surprisingly large one since it should, in theory, have been limited by the opposition's bounce. I think she'll keep a few points of it for a while. Yeah. It'll come back but is likely to still have a sustained gap at this rate. OTOH, lol. Nothing. Matters.
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theflyingorc posted:For these people, their religion functions more like an ethnic identity than it does an actual moral framework. Yeah, that's how most religious people operate. Increasingly that's how atheists are defining themselves too.
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Oxxidation posted:It's still a bounce, so things are going to normalize again over the next few weeks. But if Hillary can maintain positive visibility while Trump keeps screaming at war widows and declaring war on Constantinople, the gap should hold. I really want to see someone in the media convince Trump that Putin is fending off terrorists from Czechoslovakia.
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computer parts posted:Yeah, that's how most religious people operate. There is no equivocation possible.
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iospace posted:As I said in the Trump thread, it feels the only member of the GOP who comes out ahead here is going to be Kasich. He didn't endorse and he's leaving a trail of evidence that he was against Trump from the get go. Barring a magical win from Trump, Kasich wins in the long run. Cruz, too. He's pretty clearly angling for a 2020 run. Possibly Kasich, too, his gimmick in the primary this election was being the Sane Dude, which depending on how this election and the response thereto goes might be much more appealing to the GOP base in four years.
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Cythereal posted:Cruz, too. He's pretty clearly angling for a 2020 run. Possibly Kasich, too, his gimmick in the primary this election was being the Sane Dude, which depending on how this election and the response thereto goes might be much more appealing to the GOP base in four years. I think Kaisch's long play is going to work out better for him than Cruz's backstab. Because if Trump loses, people will point to Cruz as being a part of it, while Kaisch has made his lack of support clear without doing a grand-standing and public snub. Kaisch will come off more as 'I told you so' than 'It's your fault'.
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LeJackal posted:There is no equivocation possible. Atheism is increasingly defined in terms of being a white liberal, with all the baggage associated with that.
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