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Shimrra Jamaane posted:As long as they end the same way I can live with a few more Oregon sieges. It would not surprise me if a okc happens. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Aug 2, 2016 |
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Evil Fluffy posted:I want to believe this will continue. I don't have that kind of faith in America though. It's going to be a close election because we're all idiots and millions of people will forget this if Trump ever stops talking about the Khans for a few minutes. From the article. ". The recent Khizr Khan fiasco -- a trap laid by the Democrats with the relative sophistication of a Wile E. Coyote orange crate on a stick -- should convince all but the truly delusional that if the Trump train hasn't already derailed, it's careening back and forth on tracks the Dems are pulling up unopposed."
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Lightning Knight posted:
I prefer Hillary talk about how wikileaks may be an accomplice to a conspiracy, but never file charges, therefore Assange is kept up living in the Ecuadorean embassy in London till he dies.
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gently caress Wikileaks, I hope Assange ends up in a northern European jail for eternity for rape. He and Brevik can bitch and moan about not having PS4s together.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I wonder at what point Ecuador decides he isn;t worth it I want him to stay there. Look at the size of the embassy. https://lofredocolombia.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/ecuador-embassy-london-details.jpg Best prison he can be given.
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Aug 5, 2016 03:23
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FactsAreUseless posted:I love when liberals suddenly come out in favor of brutal punishments for people they dislike, it's cute. Way to stand by your principles. Wow, so a jail cell, with shower, and area to as well as a place so you can play a retro console is now a brutal punishment? Lightning Knight posted:I think his rape victim deserves to see him go to court for it, to be honest. I would agree, but is this not a great way for him to serve his time?
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Aug 5, 2016 03:38
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DemeaninDemon posted:Another Malheur is the full extent of the possible post Hillary outrage. I wouldn't be surprised if we get several mcveighs out of it. Also several Mahleurs. These creatures, (I doubt they have souls). Have been itching for rebellion for decades and they fear the Clintons like no other.
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Kilroy posted:We should give Arizona back to Mexico, and while we're at it I'm for giving back the Midwest to France. Yeah considering the midwest is not just all rural hicks and Arizona has a growing liberal population who are trying to save the state I can say your joke is rather idiotic.
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Aug 7, 2016 16:24
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My Imaginary GF posted:Justice should never retire in America, unless asked by a Democratic POTUS. I'm liking what I'm hearing here.
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Aug 8, 2016 04:37
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Harrow posted:Again? Is there some "Clinton is bad on animal rights" thing I'm not aware of? Or are they just targeting her because they think more left-leaning audiences are more likely to listen, whereas they'd just get beaten up at a Trump rally? It's the second one. It's definitely direct action everywhere who have that video with that women going into that eatery and screaming at them for eating her "child's" brother and sisters.
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Aug 10, 2016 22:50
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computer parts posted:They have for decades now? Who also are active, the social gospel movement is active in both white and non white parts of AMerica. It just happens that it really doesn't sell or make media waves like some poo poo head from FRC.
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Aug 14, 2016 15:48
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Goatman Sacks posted:Oh hey I just remembered Milwaukee is where noted house slave David Clarke is in charge. He's already calling in the national guard to put down those mean darkies - I think the correct term is Uncle Ruckus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0ZRAmz-NWM Also megadeath sucks, Metallica was better without Mustaine. I personally don't see why one hates or likes a musician for their beliefs unless say they killed someone for their beliefs. Like Vargs. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Aug 14, 2016 |
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Aug 14, 2016 21:12
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Donkwich posted:Have you seen this before? It's a political cartoon by Thomas Nast depicting Catholicism as crocodiles invading America. It's almost Kelly-esque. Alot do, most of the pre tribulation types see the post tribulation world being lead by the Catholic church.
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Aug 14, 2016 22:39
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Mister Adequate posted:This but ironically. Basically all the dead religions of the world are better and cooler than the living ones. So how much do you know about the Classical religion?
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Aug 14, 2016 23:21
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Mister Adequate posted:Well I've played over 700 hours of Crusader Kings 2 and often as a Hellenic-faith Byzantium soooo Yeah read some history books not written by some aristocratic whig in the 1700s
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Aug 14, 2016 23:44
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Nessus posted:So enlighten us with this wisdom You do know that they were fine with blood letting in Theater right? As a form of sacrifice right? That blood letting was a major part of the ancient religion right? Just read Pagans reactions to Julian the Apostate to reestablish the old religion its all about blood sacrifice. Also I wonder if all of you would like to live in Ancient ROme what with their policies on women?
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Aug 14, 2016 23:54
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fishmech posted:What's the problem with that, scared of a little blood? Human blood, yes.
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Aug 14, 2016 23:59
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fishmech posted:Ok so you're some kind of weirdo who apparently hasn't lost a large number of modern performances across legit theater, movies, concerts, etc? Because frankly you just made the dumbest possible argument for why ancient religions are bad. Well then there is the fact they fallow Gods that need blood to have power. Why fallow a creation that needs you to give power to them so they distribute it, rather then fallow the prime mover? That which has created all, that which is not subject to rules, but is the creator of the rules themselves? Josef bugman posted:Classic Greek, maybe not so much. But as a seperate arguement, did ancient Christianity change Roman attitudes towards women? Ancient Celtic/Germanic would be interesting, especially as I am sure that a lot of the religious rites the romans described just "upped the body count" as it were. I mean there wasn't really a sudden shift in what the Roman "Matrons" could do even after Christianity takes over. Nessus posted:So are you talking about like opening your own vein here or about sacrificing humans? What is my source for human sacrifce its attested that several times in times. I mean Cicero is rather apologetic in maintaining the procession on the 15th of may that involved hanging large puppets from a bridge never involved elderly men Then there is the Roman tendency to grab a few foreigners during times of emergency and sacrificing them to the Gods which I admit I got from Rubicon, which if I had it on me at this moment I could see where Tom Holland attests it/ Also Plutarch does attribute to a event where Gauls and Greeks were buried during the period of the Celtic invasions a century and a half earlier. Fianlly I need your sources for the wonderful Hellenic religion being so wonderful, for you seem to be so keen on defending it. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Aug 15, 2016 |
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Josef bugman posted:Just as a quick question on the turn of phrase, do you mean "bury them alive?" or "kill them and bury them inside the city" for the bolded bit? Actually no he isn't because he is a creation of Fortuna, so remember if he is a creation he is bound by rules he cannot control creation therefore as he is aprt of it. Also why would the Romans suggest the Germans treated their women badly, then when the Germans take up as Regums of Italy they also treat their women badly? fishmech posted:I'm pretty sure they don't leave their gods unplowed and unseeded. But let's go back to the point: your complaint was that in their theater they used real blood instead of fake blood sometimes, as if modern entertainment doesn't choose to do that as well. Yeah if they just did that the Theatres wouldn't have been so reviled by the Christians they occasionally mind you, but did still do it mutilate slaves to achieve the sense they needed. WampaLord posted:This might be one of the dumbest derails I've seen this thread take in a while, but it is a Sunday so I'm not exactly sure what else we should be talking about.
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Aug 15, 2016 00:45
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fishmech posted:Would you mind rephrasing this into a coherent sentence? Because it's pretty rich to take the complaints of a bunch of savages who literally eat the blood and flesh of their god seriously, as to how gross other people's blood & god rituals might be. Ah, so Fishmech would you be fine with people mutilating others who might not even be consenting in theaters and then say it was necessary to please a God? Also are Christians required to hurt a person?
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Aug 15, 2016 00:56
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Unkempt posted:Huh. Its Beautiful.
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fishmech posted:Actors are consenting, friend. Not sure why you're so offended by the to-this-day practiced use of real blood in performance. I mean Christians literally enslaved millions of black people just 150 years ago and went on Crusades repeatedly for hundreds of years, so you don't get to fake concern about slavery and violence. Christians have demonstrably killed millions upon millions more people than ancient religion followers ever did, after all. Hmmm. So we were required to kill all those people? I mean say compared to needing to conquer for the glory of Roma? Or needing to kill those who did not sacrifice for Romas continual victory? I mean I guess you also condemn Tengrism too since its followers killed more then any pre modern peoples right? Also why aren't you all singing the praises of Hellenism. I mean you guys suggested we'd be better practicing it now? You're all fine with people being coerced to have their faces mutilated for a paly? With killing and then incinerating lots of animals just to please a god? Seems wasteful, I thought you "rational" people all were against that. You know if you're going to suggest somethings awesome you better provide reasons for fallowing it. Also circumcision probably should be banned or only allowed on those who decide to receive it after 18.
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fishmech posted:If you asked the popes and other Christian leaders of Europe, they would certainly tell you mass murder was needed for Christianity. IF you talked to church leaders in the South and elsewhere, tons would tell you that slavery was absolutely necessary. Your little freakout over blood being used in performances pales in comparison. Yeah most of them are not Slaves. Also I do submit Christianity has its failings when its comes to its leadership, but their failing to live up to what was required doesn't make it wrong. The Hellenic religion was brutal because it called for brutality, that is the difference. Also I see no defense for Roma needing millions of Gauls, Iberians , Hellenes, Anatolian, Carthagenians, and Jews murdred so that her glory could be unquestioned. All that was required for her to achieve power and to have favor from the Gods. If you asked all but except a few Neoplatonists they would say it was good that this had happened. Evil Fluffy posted:That's a special kind of dumb since both Jews and Muslims believe in Jesus though (just not as the messiah). IIRC in Islam Jesus's role is to come back as the rear end-kicking Destroyer of the Faithless that Republicans like to envision him as too.
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fishmech posted:The Christian religion is brutal because it has constantly called for brutality for nearly 2000 years. The Christians slaughtered and ensalved almost the entire native population of the Americas and vast amounts of Africans and Asians while they were at it. Clearly the Christian is a brutal man, and is definitely worse than the Roman no matter how you look at it. Wait so tell me when did Jesus, Paul, or Peter go out and say kill all the unbelievers? The Hellenic-Roman religion was all about giving your God, or you;re city that was a God power by killing and slaving. It was expected. Do the founders of Christianity expect one to enslave and kill others Fishmech? Finally I didn't know KISS took potentially unwilling people and cut their eyes out. TapTheForwardAssist posted:There are a surprising number of those KKK comics giving Mexico props for smacking down the Catholics. My knowledge of that period is hazy, was Mexico's government at the time backing laicism, or generally impeding the organized power of the church? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristero_War Yeah and neither side could really claim to be morally right in that war.
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KiteAuraan posted:Boy, you should never ever read about the Maya faith. You may just go insane. Stultus Maximus posted:I find it hilarious that the Klan was cheering for an atheist socialist government. 1. To them it was better an atheist then a papist. 2. They were not exporting their socialism. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 01:43 on Aug 15, 2016 |
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Eifert Posting posted:You really shouldn't have included Paul in that list if you were trying to be rhetorical... When did Paul tell people to kill the unbelievers? fishmech posted:They didn't need to, the Christians decided to kill in their name all on their own. Jupiter didn't go out and tell people to kill in his name either. Christian nations throughout history were all about killing and slaving, and once again have killed and enslaved far more people than the combined worshipers of every pre-Christian religion did together. Actually he did, in order to have power given to you you needed blood to be spilled and it was better to have human blood,s o when you took captives that would be significantly foreign you would take them to your cities field of victory and kill the prisoners in the name of the Gods so they would distribute that power to the people. Also yes there were slaves occasionally mutilated in the theatres late in the Principate and it was justified as a sacrifice. Also Romans sacrificed plenty of unwilling people Plutarch makes mentions of it. Modern Day Hercules posted:I mean they did that stuff but was it really required by their religion? Or was it just something they did for money, land, spoils etc and then they said "God wills it" so they didn't feel bad about it? Like I know there isn't really a bible for Roman religion, and it seems like a lot of poo poo was made up and justified as they went (Christianity isn't really all that different). Arguably yes, as human sacrifice was seen as providing a more powerful form of blood from which the Gods could then use to give power back to those whom sacrificed the victims. Christianity does of course want to convert non believers but it certainly doesn't have its founders say, convert or die right now (Its debatable if hell is permanent). Which frankly the Romans and the other Hellenes did, as if you didn't sacrifice in the name of the city you could be exiled or killed. (Which is why you occasionally had cities killing Christians). Pyroxene Stigma posted:Remember everyone, the atheists are the REAL killers. Please don't tell me you're suggesting the Romans and Greeks were atheists. They considered that to be a pretty abhorrent idea actually. Epic High Five posted:There's a good label for the type of socialist policy that is kept to within an ingroup, with all others being exploited to support it Well some would sometimes describe the PRI as fascist at times. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Aug 15, 2016 |
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Eifert Posting posted:Oh, you just haven't read Paul. That's cool, I'd probably get that time back if I could. Quote me where he says kill the unbelievers. At the moment it looks like you just openly lied.
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Modern Day Hercules posted:Arguably yes is a weasel term for no. So it isn't explicitly required then. Just like it's not explicitly required by Christianity. But both belief systems have been used to justify atrocities any way. I don't understand your issue here. Ah, so because they actually felt human sacrifice was a better way to give power to the Gods that must mean they never did it. Despite the fact they are recorded to have done it. citybeatnik posted:Look, my people gave the Sun blood because if they didn't that rear end in a top hat moon would escape and we couldn't allow that. That and you gotta keep the corn growing somehow. Don't be so Eurocentric. Well this started by someone defending the Classical Mediterranean religion of Roma and the Hellenes not the Mexica. BW do you all blame Christianity for small pox? fishmech posted:No he didn't, Jupiter never said anything because he wasn't real. And his priests weren't into "spilling blood" all the time either, unless we use the same standard that would allow us to lay the deaths of nearly a billion people cumulatively at the feet of Christianity. This is what you aren't getting, all of your standards for why ancient religions you can't tell apart are bad apply to Christianity many times over. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Aug 15, 2016 |
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fishmech posted:Christians are recorded to have killed a over a hundred million people in the 20th century alone, how can you justify that? Really a hundred million? Source? This just looks like your pulling this out of your rear end. Like that person who claimed Paul called for the death of unbelievers.
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FishFood posted:This derail is dumb. Classical religion isn't really any more or less bloody than Christianity. By the period we're talking about, the Romans and Greeks have huge taboos against human sacrifice, and in pretty much all cultures that practice human sacrifice, the victims are primarily criminals or prisoners of war; groups Christians weren't shy about brutalizing either. Animal sacrifices were eaten, you don't waste meat. Violence and religion in the West go hand in hand until like 100 years ago, if that.
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citybeatnik posted:Luke 19:27, Matthew 10:24, Acts 3:23... citybeatnik posted:2 Corinthians 12:2, Galatians 1:8-9, 1 Thessalonians 1:10... citybeatnik posted:This isn't even touching upon how the early Church changed its views when trying to get in with the Romans or the weird poo poo that missionaries had to come up with when trying to convert the Goths. Which is how you end up with weird crap like Jesus being depicted as a warrior ready to go out and shank a bitch. citybeatnik posted:I mean, it's cool if you don't know that. Not everyone reads the bible.  citybeatnik posted:You're leaving out the Inca Empire and were passing judgment on the Maya earlier. Stop being Eurocentric/racist. Embrace Xipe Totec. Dan Carlin is that one who really thinks that people who fought in ancient times were different then people fighting now right? LOL. Most ancient battles were men fighting for about five minutes fallowed by them then backing off, and maybe one or two men then still fighting and yelling at the other-men to go back to fighting. I'll go with people who have their PHD's and Masters in history. fishmech posted:There were over 30 million dead from the Christians in World War I and over 65 million dead from the Christians in World War II. And that's just ~10 years of the century. To say nothing of all the people they killed in the other 90 years! Or are you a denier that those wars existed? Finally to Vital Signs, you know that is a illustration of a book written by a Dominican decrying Spain's brutal colonization of Hispanola who had been ejected from there for saying it was Unchristian right? Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Aug 15, 2016 |
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Mr Interweb posted:Have to agree with this one, though. Yubyub is a great song, and the worse part of special edition is its removal.
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citybeatnik posted:You are taking all of this entirely too seriously. And you need to turn off auto correct, unless the typos that keep showing up are some sort of Da Vinci esque code that we're meant to figure out in a ARG going on elsewhere in the forum. Hey I treat Gibbonesque attempts to uphold the Principate or pre Marian Rome as some Golden Age very seriously.
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FishFood posted:Don't besmirch Divus Augustus He was preferable to Antony, much less the assassins who pretty much thought that Sulla did nothing wrong. Maybe we should turn this into the HBO's ROME thread. Which reminds me I found the Blue Rays almost untouched for ten dollars at a Pawn shop.
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citybeatnik posted:Except Sulla really did nothing wrong, except for letting go of power. Tell that to the 9000 he murdered in a mere thee months. Not to mention his rape of Greece and Asia Minor. Then there was his attempt to take power away form the Equities, and the Plebs in favor of the loving aristocracy. He was a giant reactionary, its just to bad he didn't live long enough to see Caesar cross the Rubicon. Le Saboteur posted:This thread is so loving derailed that Corey Lewandowski potentially spiking Donald Trumps campaign chief is barely getting talked about. Is it news that a spiteful man baby employs or employed spiteful manbabies? Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 03:05 on Aug 15, 2016 |
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Schizotek posted:The "scorpion on a frog" and "nursing a snake back to health" stories are gross as gently caress, and everyone who uses them to demonize refugees and immigrants needs to get walloped with a halfbrick in a sock. Wow I saw the original video and the commentators are just utter creatures. All calling for nuking the Middle east and other such horrific bullshit.
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there wolf posted:If you took it seriously then you'd portray it accurately instead inventing a mass custom of human sacrifice that never existed in any of the times or cultures you clumsily lumped together as "Classical civilization." Yeah you obviously know nothing of the classical era lol. It happened in fact it was remarked upon, sorry if reality doesn't agree with you. citybeatnik posted:I think I've got the equivalent of snow-blindness when it comes to the Trump camp doing something stupid so it just kind of glazed over.
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there wolf posted:I'm sorry but 'it happened' is not the same thing as ' it was a mass cultural custom done constantly for every god all over the Greek/Roman world.' Human sacrifice was perishingly rare in Rome; overall they found it distasteful and barbaric, and had it outlawed. Again, if you sincerely cared about this you'd portray it accurately instead of exaggerating and inventing stories to feel self-righteous about. I never said it was common, but it did happen, and it hardly reflects the Gibbonite fantasy certain liberals embrace. Also personally when it comes to private prisons like CCA. I am perfectly fine with making it a crime to be the head of such a company, and make it so heading such a company gets you declared Hostis Humani Generis. Really thinking up private prisons should also get you that.
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theflyingorc posted:By the way, my current favorite hot take from all the archconservatives on my Facebook wall: I thinks it's more that target shooting is a bit boring to watch.
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