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spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

Comrade Gorbash posted:

Let's be honest - a lot of the people in this thread were that kid at one point.

ahaha. ha. haaaa.

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spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

Cyrano4747 posted:

From my recollection it's less human waves of unwashed muzhiks and more unable to take basic actions to prevent getting overrun or encircled because their officer didn't give the order and you can't act without instructions from higher up, comrade.

From being in WW2-fandom-y places I definitely see a lot of "two rifles, one man" stuff at least. Sometimes even from people who quite like the soviets in those games, because they like orks or tyranids or whatever and like the image of sending a horde of expendables in to overwhelm people with sheer numbers. I guess that must be a pop-culture osmosis thing if it's uncommon in academia.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops
I just realised I typed "Two rifles, one man" and now you all have to imagine Zaytsev jumping out of windows double-headshotting with a pair of SVTs with me.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

Randarkman posted:

This was probably an unrealistic prospect to carry out in 1918 and 1919, as people in general wanted an end to the war, but it does represent an interesting contrast with WW2, in 1945 no German, soldier or civilian, could make the argument that they hadn't been defeated.

But impressively not people in TYOOL 2018.

spectralent fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Apr 30, 2018

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

Cyrano4747 posted:

Pretty much non stop on the west coast in the first few months of the war.

Check out The Battle of Los Angeles.

edit: tl;dr one nervous AA crew took a shot at a weather balloon they misidentified as the Japanese and before long everyone was letting loose like it was the Berlin night sky ca. 1944.

Five deaths.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

Tunicate posted:

doesn't sound like an accurate number to me - I've read at least two orders of magnitude more papers than I've written, and I can't imagine anybody who has read 8 or fewer papers having written one

Are you thinking of citations maybe? There's enough heavy focus on citation of Big Important Papers that I could believe that the median number of citations diverges pretty heavily from the mean.

Not "reads eight papers", "each paper is read by eight people". That sounds low but I can definitely believe it's way lower than you'd assume, especially if we're counting the same paper in different mirrors seperately.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops
Also academic publishing IS a racket. All the fuckin' money goes back to the publisher! When most of the time you have to pay the publisher to get published! The academic publishers themselves are parasites.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

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HEY GUNS posted:

if you are paying to get published, the "journal" is a scam. sorry you had to learn this way.

most journals are nonprofits and run by very few people. the problem isn't the journals themselves, it's that a few consortia like springer have gobbled up most of them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_processing_charge

https://www.nature.com/news/open-access-the-true-cost-of-science-publishing-1.12676

https://www.aje.com/en/arc/understanding-submission-and-publication-fees/

If we're going to nitpick over whether you're paying to get published if you need to pay for an article to actually appear in a journal I feel like the rhetorical point stands. If we're going to argue that imprints like Elsevier are scams, I don't disagree but it also seems wild to assert they don't matter to a huge number of academics. The related assertion that, even if they DO have a prominent position in academia, it's not important because you can go around them, also seems optimistic.

Maybe it's hugely different in the humanities; I'm aware publication fees and submission fees were a common complaint among faculty while I was still doing my project, but that was in genetics.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

HEY GUNS posted:

It is, I've never heard about publication fees.

I was going to say, something seemed weird because "nonprofits run by a few people" DEFINITELY doesn't describe any publisher I've ever interacted with or been around interaction with. "Run for a few people" maybe. It sounds nice in humanities.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops
I'm familiar with tracked vehicle's ability, if rugged and heavy enough, to drive through concertina wire, but looking at those webs of barbed wire it seems insane to me that relatively light tanks like the FT were clearing paths. Or, was that a job reserved for the Mark IVs/Schneiders and the little tanks couldn't really trample barbed wire?

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

Trin Tragula posted:

Tanks generally didn't clear wire by just lining up in close order and all driving forward next to each other to squash it all flat (for one thing, men in hobnail boots will happily walk on the result, but horses won't). By 1918 they were doing it by having two waves; the first wave of tanks just goes straight ahead for whichever bit of wire looked to have been knocked about most by the artillery and drives straight through; then the next wave comes up a few minutes later, all of them with a grapnel and a load of steel cable on the back. Drive up the path, drop the grapnel in the wire, go right through and then parallel to the wire, and it all gets stuck on itself and comes up at once, then disconnect the steel cable once the wire stops coming up, and the tank goes forward again.

Huuuh! This is one of those fascinating things you don't hear about. I really need to look more into the actual tactics of WW1; I've learned that everything I knew was a lie in a grand strategic sense, and I'm aware that the tactics employed were generally more complex than "everyone walks forward and hopes they don't get shot", but I never really found out what the tactics actually were.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops
Speaking of the Vietnam stuff from a few days ago, how frequently were the conscripts able to call artillery and air support? Was there a ton of training involved for that? I'm aware that artillery observation is a specialist job that usually comes with a bunch of attendant equipment, so presumably it was a lot more guesswork, but was it particularly regimented or was it just getting on a phone and estimating a spot you wanted erased from reality?

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

Princess Victoria Louise of Prussia. Daughter of Kaiser Wilhelm.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops
I'm kind of interested in the breakdown of the Snow and Sand one, if someone's read it (and if it's any better).

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spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Is this the lady that you can reform the Holy Roman Empire in HoI 4 with?

yes

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