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Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




DrBouvenstein posted:

Yup.

There's little bits and pieces through the next few seasons, and then it's all laid out in the B5 movie "In the Beginning."

There's 6 B5 movies:

"The Gathering" which also served as the pilot, so you might have already seen that. If not, you should watch it if only for the introduction of an important character later.

Then there's "Thirdspace" which takes place about midway through season 4.

"In the Beginning" is the best of the B5 movies by a LONG shot, in so much as it's very, very good, and the others range from "total poo poo crap" (Legend of the Rangers) to "it was ok, I guess." (the rest.) But it is VERY spoiler-heavy. It gives background details on smaller things hinted at or briefly mentioned in earlier episodes. You shouldn't watch it until after you've finished Season 4.

"River of Souls" takes place sometime in Season 5. It's got Martin Sheen, but that's about all it's got going for it.

"A Call to Arms" takes place after Season 5. It's ok. Served as a sort-of pilot for the B5 spin-off series, "Crusade." Which if you want more B5 in any form you can watch after you watch "A Call to Arms."

"The Legend of the Rangers" comes after "Call to Arms", and it was also intended to be a pilot for another spin-off. It's complete dig poo poo. Like..it's better to not watch it. You'll be tempted for more B5, and think "it can't be that bad." but it is, and it will taint all the other B5 you watched.

Then there are two "short films" made about ten years ago called "The Lost Tales." They're ok. Each is self-contained and pretty much entirely centered on one character.

There's only one good bit in Legend of the Rangers, and that's when G'Kar finishes talking to the ambassadors. Sadly I can't find a gif or YouTube video of the clip anywhere.

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Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




There's always one bit about In the Beginning that confused me. That's when EarthGov are speaking to Londo (and presumably other races) about getting information on the Minbari. Londo seems to know a bit, and G'Kar knew enough to be able to act as a translator, but in all their information gathering nobody mentions the Warrior caste tradition of arming weapons that led to the war? I'm trying to remember, were the Minbari avoiding contact with other races at the time and the other races just kind of forgot about it? It just seems like if there was information for G'Kar to learn the language out there, you figure other things would be mentioned too.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




Data Graham posted:

It's also pretty unclear how Dr. Franklin knew so much about Minbari physiology prior to the open-gunports incident; I thought that incident was their first contact.

The wiki says Franklin was off doing some personal mission, but none of that comes out in the show to date that I recall?

From what I remember Franklin mentioned to Delenn in one episode about how he was on an alien transport that gave assistance to some Minbari and he treated them before Earthgov tried making first contact with them. And when Earthgov found out they wanted him to using his knowledge of Minbari physiology to come up with bio-weapon to be used against them in the war.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




Neddy Seagoon posted:

I never thought about it before it was brought up just now really, but think about it it; the last thing the Shadows would want is the younger racers unifying, or even co-operating to any extensive degree, which is exactly what a place like a Babylon station would almost certainly achieve.


They've always had agents in play, even if they themselves weren't active. Why do you think Humans suddenly gained Telepaths a mere couple of centuries prior to the show?

I thought Telepaths were a result of the Vorlons messing around with the younger races, not the Shadows.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




At least he was able to keep his pants on for this. That we know of.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




I was always under the impression that they were more like Kosh 2 and Kosh 1 was probably considered odd by the rest of the Vorlons and that's part of the reason he's on the Babylon station to begin with.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




mojo1701a posted:


Absolutely. It's like they put all their creative effort (by hiring Jerry Goldsmith :v:) into making those amazing opening credits and said, "Well, good work, gang. Let's take the next 7 years off."

More than 7, considering Enterprise's opening theme.



Or Enterprise in general.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




Jedit posted:

Why have you done a picture of Tracy Scoggins? And who is the other person?

Not sure if :thejoke: but its Ivanova and Kira from DS9.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




dudeness posted:


Other Random thoughts: Bug guy in yellow smoke was cool and I wish he stuck around.

He comes back in Buffy the Vampire Slayer

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




I vaguely recall reading somewhere that B5 was going to have a Garak-style character but I have no idea if it was true or not.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




Weren't the White Stars built exclusively by the Religious Caste? Maybe they simply didn't have access to the stealth tech and them trying to get their hands on it would make the Warrior Caste suspicious and they were trying to build them in secret.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




Absurd Alhazred posted:

I thought he ended up as a paranoid right-wing talk radio host

He and Molari found an interdimensional portal, and ended up in Sliders

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




Jedit posted:

It at least has one of the best lines in the show's run.

G'Kar: Kiss kiss, love, love. Toodles.

Some people just love playing a role.

FTFY

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




It's pretty funny that the guy who plays Byron shows up in Sliders as pretty much the same character except with shorter hair.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




Doctor Zero posted:

:love:

During that episode they mention Vir is an earth history buff. When did they ever state that before in the series?

They should have had him wandering around the background of the Earth History exhibit in Soul Mates.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




Dirty posted:

As I recall, JMS said he called it Babylon 5 because of the 5-year story.

When his pitch was picked up and developed into a series and the name was everywhere I guess it stuck. It sorta meant that we have to slightly stretch credulity to accept that a calamity that might have befallen a project once or twice, happened 4 times and still they came back for more with the same name.

Babylon 1: "Sir, I've got really bad news about the Babylon Station construction project!"
Babylon 2: "Sir, you're not gonna believe this, we tightened security, but it happened again!"
Babylon 3: "You might want to sit down for this."
Babylon 4: "Okay, the good news is, it didn't explode."

Babylon 5 planning committee:
"Guys, do you think maybe the name has sort of negative connotations at this point? In the mind of the taxpayers, politicians, anyone who would ever want to set foot on it?"

I wonder why it never occurred to JMs to go the DS9 route and just have another 4 Babylon stations around the galaxy that are only mentioned in passing, maybe having different purposes to Babylon 5.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




sebmojo posted:

JMS said that in his usenet posts iirc, not sure if it came up in the show.

It does multiple times.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




So whatever happened to Catherine Sakai anyways? Sinclair proposed to her at the end of season one but isn't mentioned again. And how would the whole Sinclair and Delenn having a son thing worked if she was still around before the rewrite?

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




pentyne posted:

I saw their reaction and I wanted to say something about them saying he was a spoiled rich boy officer and I have no idea where the rich part came from.

He goes on about meeting the Dalai Lama and stuff so that might give the impression of him being a spoiled rich kid.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




Ugh. I've been rewatching this on Sky. They've gotten to season 4 and decided to show two episodes from now on. Except they skipped a couple of episodes for some reason, including Into the Fire, which only deals with the conclusion of the Shadow War. :rant:

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




1000 Brown M and Ms posted:

They do. In an early episode one of them (I think the one who turns out to be a telepath) explains that they do all sorts of odd jobs to survive, but it's not enough to really make a life or get off the station.

They also mention in the ISN propaganda episode that Sheridan introduced a series of work programs for the Lurkers.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




So I'm after watching Deconstruction of Falling Stars and I have one small question. When the Nazi propaganda guy made holograms of the crew for his video, why exactly did he make accurate representations of them if he just overrides their personalities to make them say or do what he wants to anyways? Especially when you consider that making an accurate hologram of Garibaldi led to a nuclear war.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




Just saw A View From the Gallery.
It is not a good episode. Also is it just me or are the telepaths abilities kind of all over the place in comparison to the previous seasons? Like I kind of thought the ability to project images and memories into another person's mind was a Lyta special, but then you have the mute kid doing it and the other telepaths were acting like it was an unusual thing to be able to do only for Byron to give Beau the Starfury Pilot Experience in this episode.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




I think the main thing I don't like about it is that it's set up as a story about some random nobodies having to deal with the consequences of the choices main cast but it quickly turns into a :circlefap: about how great the main cast are and only seems to approach what it was set up for at the very end with Steven dealing with bodies of everyone who died in the battle.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




You can safely skip a View From the Gallery.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




Anonymouse Mook posted:

If I remember right, JMS thought it was too similar to something from another show (X-Files?) and also that maybe he had introduced a few too many different secret organisations.

In universe, I always figured it was just another arm of the movement behind Clark

I assumed it was DS9 with Section 31 but Bureau 13 might have shown up in Babylon 5 before that.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




Delenn assumed Anna was dead because Anna wouldn't willingly work for the Shadows. She didn't know about people being used as CPUs for Shadow vessels or what effect that has on people.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




Let's not forget that Vir went from "I dunno if this is the right thing to do :ohdear:" to "kill the fucker :argh:" within 5 seconds of meeting Cartagia after what he saw what was happening to G'Kar, so him wanting Morden's head on a pike and being happy he got it is completely within character for him.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




Just watched Call to Arms and I have to ask, what the hell is going on with the music?

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




Plus if it were made today they'd just end up showing a bunch of Narns getting killed in various gruesome ways because prestige tv.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




Brian Blessed as a random Centauri who gets in a shouting match with Draal.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




The curse strikes again :smith:

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




I thought the president's doctor was the guy who had proof that Clarke was lying about being too sick to be on the ship that blew up.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




Data Graham posted:

Londo was the only Centauri with an accent though, wasn't he?

Which, lol

A couple of others tried doing his accent, such as Refa and his fencing buddy, but it's usually toned down compared to Londo's.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




I really think they missed out on not having Brian Blessed on the show as a Centauri who gets in a shouting match with Draal.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




Vorlons seem to be energy beings while the Shadows still seem to have regular bodies, unless being invisible also lets them phase shift.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




Jedit posted:

Mumy had good reason to be resentful, by all accounts. As far as I know he's always said that he didn't want to take the gig at first because of the lengthy chair time, but was promised that it would be two hours tops. Then he comes in on his first day and the prosthetics team are "lol, nah, try four". They did manage to get it down to two hours once they got their rhythm down, and unlike Katsulas and the Drazi he at least wasn't in full facial prosthetics, but he nearly walked and I don't think I would have blamed him.

Explains why he refused to work in Star Trek until they gave him a human role.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




Can't wait for the Legend of the Rangers series we were cruelly robbed of.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




She was Pro-Clarke and one of the reasons Sheridan picked her was because she was on the other side and it was meant to be an act of reconciliation.

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Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




ConfusedUs posted:

The most realistic use of holo-media in all of sci-fi is in the Orville.

And it's used for porn.

Bortus's sex lagoon will never not be funny.

So you're saying that Bashir and Garak were actually exchanging porn when they said they were exchanging holonovels?

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