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Don Tacorleone posted:The real issue in modern times is rich vs poor and the class divide but keep crying about genders
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Shizmo posted:sup sci fi back in CA for good hit me up for a beer or something? I'll be honest idk who you are just based on the username but obv we know each other haha
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Aug 12, 2016 18:45
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there's some nutty women that call themselves feminists too it's not like they make that up whole cloth imo it's dumb to judge an entire movement based on the actions of some fringe elements though but whatevs
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Shizmo posted:chugged a bottle of gross warm whiskey and drove an hour to sonic with you. member meow? haha gently caress yeah it's been a long rear end time man don't really wanna post my number but if you're still in contact with Evan he can give it to you (or just hit me up on facebook)
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Aug 12, 2016 19:19
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Gammatron 64 posted:When Jezebel, everydayfeminism, tumblr and buzzfeed are the face of your movement you need a serious re-branding. Some of this def has to be confirmation bias and hanging out on the internet too much bc when you say 'modern feminist' I'm thinking Oprah or Ellen Degeneres or Bell Hooks or even Emma Watson not a bunch of random clickbait bullshit that made me mad. Sorry but if you're only looking for fringe then of course that's all you're going to notice. Here are some modern feminist authors. Like bro Jezebel is a loving shock mag and everyone knows it who seriously thinks it is any kind of face of a movement other than people who just want to talk poo poo on feminism? Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Aug 12, 2016 |
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Aug 12, 2016 20:57
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Gammatron 64 posted:I wish that instead of being angry and hateful, people were nice to each other and got along. I mean fair enough but I'm just a regular schmoe and I'm pretty much exposed to none of that at all unless I'm in an SA thread about 'look at these dumbos.' It's gotta be somewhat confirmation bias that's all I'm saying. Gammatron 64 posted:In fact, these days the left is becoming almost as poisoned as the right and I really feel like the progressives of the younger generation have really lost their way I agree with that though in a general sense
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Aug 12, 2016 21:14
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ArbitraryC posted:While i agree with you i have to admit i don't see people sharing bell hooks stuff on facebook, it's all sound and fury garbage from the aforementioned "shock mags". facebook is garbage
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Aug 13, 2016 18:11
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Rutibex posted:actually, head feminist Andrea Dworkin "head feminist" according to who because idk who the gently caress that is and I googled the name and it's just some woman with a bachelor's in English who died over a decade ago. Most known for defending porn I guess? see what I mean lol it's just people creating a strawman and then getting mad about it like my dude "we can just clone women forever and men will die off" is obviously the position of a person nuttier than Dale Gribble why would you even give that the time of day Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Aug 13, 2016 |
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Aug 13, 2016 18:13
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Salem Saberhagen posted:As a feminist though, I don't think that's a very outlandish idea. I consider it a pretty good overall goal for humanity. It's not like we are going to extinguish all living men but rather phase them out over time. I think they are still very useful now. Definitely required equipment. but I don't feel the far future has any real need for them. Ok here's the fatal flaw with your plan even aside from genetic drift and DNA degrading (let's say we figure a solution to that out): you're assuming women are somehow in 100% control of cloning and that only women will get cloned and that as a result men will die out when there's absolutely no indication that it won't just be both sexes cloning themselves also prove that people are going to suddenly not want to gently caress just bc cloning exists. also this 'phase them out' over time poo poo is exactly the adversarial mentality that feeds nutter men who can then point to you and go 'see she wants to wipe men out' and justify their nuttiness also also the far future has no needs at all it isn't a sentient thing that cares. Humans could wipe themselves out in a nuclear holocaust tomorrow and 'the future' will be fine without any of us.
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Aug 13, 2016 20:35
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lol you think Atom's glory can be denied? we will all be Divided heretic
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Aug 13, 2016 20:44
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turns out women are just dumb humans like men are idk why anyone on any side of the argument can't get that through their head. yeah there's minor biological differences but we're still all essentially the same dumb grey matter on the inside in fact it's pretty sexist to idealize women and act like they aren't capable of the same poo poo men are
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Aug 13, 2016 20:50
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Salem Saberhagen posted:Thanks for the biotruth laden mansplanation. how is it biotruth laden when the entire point of it is that biotruths stuff is dumb? just let the Glow into your heart imo Atom's love will scour you clean
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Aug 13, 2016 22:20
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in a world of global capitalism the only true measure of power is a group's ability to direct the flow of capital and everything else is ultimately a secondary distraction honk honk
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Aug 15, 2016 07:06
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Gammatron 64 posted:That, plus feminists have kind of a bad reputation that they sorta bring upon themselves. I guess a lot of people don't really understand how saying they love to drink male tears, all sex is rape and getting violently angry and offended at everything might be off-putting to outsiders well, again, if all you pay attention to is dumb internet poo poo then sure
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Aug 15, 2016 16:24
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Yes, but what's to prevent that from continuing to happen? Again, what IS to stop a guy from dressing up in women's clothing and creeping under that excuse? That's not a hysterical concern, is it? lol gently caress yeah it is who cares about bathroom you weirdos it's already illegal to be a weirdo sexual predator creep in a bathroom why does there need to be special protection for icked out manly men? as if anyone is trying to scope your tiny dil anyway quote:For that matter, is it REALLY healthy to stick a prepubescent boy full of hormones, have them surgically altered so they can enter puberty "as a girl"? Is that...does that sound even remotely disturbing to you? that's prolly a bad idea though honk honk
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Aug 15, 2016 16:32
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Because if you establish a legal "defense" to being a weirdo sexual predator creep, then weirdo sexual predator creeps will attempt to and--knowing how litigious we are--succeed in doing just that. This is America, after all. yeah pretty sure being trans doesn't suddenly give you license to sexually harass people Gammatron 64 posted:You say that Jezebel, Everydayfeminism and Buzzfeed are not the face of the movement, but what happens when they're the loudest, most obnoxious and well-known parts? But they're not loving nobody I know irl even knows what those are let alone takes their cues from them. Sorry but some dumb internet poo poo just is dumb internet poo poo. You guys are like panicked grandparents on Facebook forwarding dumb panic emails. Gammatron 64 posted:When that kind of feminism becomes more popular than say, academic, moderate feminism, which becomes the true face of feminism? When what people who think women should be cloned and eradicate men are the true face of feminism in academic moderate circles? Do you really think that's a possibility my dogs
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Aug 15, 2016 16:40
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Applewhite posted:It's never been illegal for a male identifying male to use a ladies' room any tiime he wants, it's just highly discouraged by social convention. eh that's not quite as cut and dry as you think it is
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Aug 15, 2016 16:44
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Yes, 100 percent, and precisely my point. then educate yourself because you foolios are wrong when you say that
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Aug 15, 2016 16:45
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it varies wildly state by state and municipality by municipality dumbos
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Aug 15, 2016 16:45
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Applewhite posted:Sorry pls post the bathroom law. Uh okay. If I own a building and then I am allowed to set the rules/protocols within the scope of the law for it and if you violate those I am allowed to call the police and have you arrested for trespassing or disorderly conduct. According to my building rules, men aren't allowed in women's restrooms except the night crew janitors. There you go, a situation where it is illegal for a male to use a women's restroom. If there are no laws to say otherwise, I'm perfectly within my rights as the building owner to do this.
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Aug 15, 2016 16:49
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Applewhite posted:Yeah ok sounds perfectly reasonable. That shouldn't be changed? If you specifically codify in trans bathroom or non-discriminatory bathroom stuff then I as the building owner can't say 'you're not really a woman, get out of the women's bathroom or I'll call the police.' As it stands now, I am able to in states where those laws don't exist. 8-Bit Scholar posted:That's not a law and he wasn't asking for a hypothetical you fuckman. It's not a law that a private property owner can determine who gets to use his facilities under what circumstances within the scope of the legal code? I gave you a concrete example of what can happen in a state that says 'eh whatever' and doesn't pass any protections for trans people.
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Aug 15, 2016 16:57
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Applewhite posted:Yes and? and so this isn't true in all situations then and you're just talking out your booty hole: Applewhite posted:It's never been illegal for a male identifying male to use a ladies' room any tiime he wants, it's just highly discouraged by social convention. so it can't hurt to pass some specific protection stuff
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Aug 15, 2016 17:00
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Applewhite posted:Ugh. Sorry I guess I should have specified that it's never been explicitly codified into state or federal law who can and can't use what bathrooms. It's been left up to the conscience of the individual proprietor, which is just as it should be. Your argument was the exact argument used by people back in the day to justify refusing services to black people and other minorities though and it was pretty lovely and dumb honk honk
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Aug 15, 2016 17:04
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some dude in CA was just arrested for going into women's stalls and videotaping them somehow idk people are bad
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Aug 15, 2016 17:06
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Saint Isaias Boner posted:yeah but claiming to be trans isn't going to cover you for that nope it won't, that poo poo is illegal regardless which is why people being shitters in bathrooms isn't really a good reason to not pass pro-trans people laws
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Aug 15, 2016 17:10
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Applewhite posted:Except segregation was a law tho? not talking about jim crow Heart of Atlanta Motel Inc. v. United States honk honk
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Aug 15, 2016 17:10
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actually oppressed people all over the world need to join in one massive movement, not be splintered into ineffectual tiny groups
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Aug 15, 2016 17:12
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8-Bit Scholar posted:2. Rushing to embrace transgendered people is a very noble goal, but in our haste I feel our lack of understanding has hit problems that now we can't discuss. I think it's horrifying to give little boys hormone treatments to become "girls" as they reach puberty. I think the surgery itself is barbaric and ineffective, This is the second time you brought this up which has no relevance or bearing on anything we're talking about now. We agree? But what's your point? People shouldn't dick with pre-puberty kids' genders therefore all trans stuff is not good? quote:I think the broad majority of trans people fail to adequately pass by either their standards or society's. but that's not relevant to either point and it's kinda just transphobic lol who cares whether you think they pass or not that isn't the fuckin' point HONK HONK Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Aug 15, 2016 |
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Aug 15, 2016 17:14
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Look I'd be for less laws in the bathroom situation but the fact is a large portion of the country are utter assholes to trans people and wig out over the bathroom used so it can't hurt to pass some non-discrimination law. idk why that's so controversial. it's just like back in the day when people said 'I refuse service to blacks bc they are black' and we had to get a SCOTUS decision to get those shitters to stop being shitters. Yeah IDEALLY you wouldn't need a civil rights act at all but turns out society is not ideal and we had to get one.
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Applewhite posted:Whatever I don't think it's a direct analogy. it's totally a direct analogy. whether or not they can choose their race vs their gender is immaterial because it isn't your call to make, it's theirs trying to justify your reasoning by comparing changing gender to a change of clothes is some extremely lol poo poo my man; you're usually smarter than that Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Aug 15, 2016 |
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Aug 15, 2016 17:20
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let's try a different tack: let's say alright I agree let's pass some laws saying men for men's bathrooms and women for women's bathrooms and no funny stuff how do you enforce such a thing? Just those who don't pass get the cops called and the others roll the hard 6 every time they want to take a piss? Do you really want to waste taxpayer resources on that? WallyWorld already calls the police out for every minor rear end thing.
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Aug 15, 2016 17:23
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Applewhite posted:If someone owns a fancy restaurant and the dress code is black tie for men and evening dress for women, and a very obvious male walks in in an evening dress with all their chest hair poking out of the cleavage window, I don't think it's unreasonable to require them to change regardless of the gender with which that person identifies. lol are you guys gonna make an argument that isn't based on how gross you find people who don't pass or what? jfc revdrkevind posted:Not that Alexa is without its issues but: websites designed to get traffic clicks are high in traffic oh snap idk man I mean alright I might be downplaying it I suppose but imo let me know when Jezebel and Buzzfeed starts affecting policy makers Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Aug 15, 2016 |
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Aug 15, 2016 17:29
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Applewhite posted:It's the difference between banning Black people from your establishment and banning rap music (because you're an rear end in a top hat who automatically conflates the two). Yeah it's a dick move but I still don't think it should be illegal to ban rap music from a place. So if a transwoman passes and you can't tell, it's fine? what's the litmus test here because 'chest hair poking out' isn't gonna wash.
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Aug 15, 2016 17:34
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plus there's the whole issue of 'let me judge what gender you are based on your perceived ugliness' like lol man there's already people kicking out women (with vaginas from birth and all) from bathrooms because 'she looked like a man' do you really want to feed that poo poo?
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Aug 15, 2016 17:35
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8-Bit Scholar posted:why are you posting like an abject retard cuz you guys are posting like abject retards, even by your standards 8-Bit Scholar posted:Are you pulling this out of your rear end or are you referencing something specific? Who kicked a biological woman out of the poo poo place? I'm referencing something specific http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/17/woman-accused-being-transgender-kicked-out-walmart/ and that's not even the only one Applewhite posted:If a trans woman passes and you can't tell the law is unenforceable either way so that point is moot. lol come on guy there could be a 400lb landwhale dude wiping encrusted smegma off his dick in the men's room and that's chill but a person with a strong jawline and an adam's apple in a dress in the women's room well THAT just violates all decency!!!!! also, address women getting kicked out of women's bathrooms for not looking hot enough. bc that is sure as poo poo happening already. bc this is what your arguments support: quote:“She said, ‘You are not supposed to be here. You need to leave,’” Ms. Toms said. “So at first I was like, ‘Does she think I work at a different store, and I shouldn’t be in this bathroom?’ So I said, ‘Yes I do,’ and then she flipped me off, and she was like, ‘You’re disgusting,’ and stormed out. and again for the cheap seats that woman was not trans Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Aug 15, 2016 |
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like holy poo poo just let people use whatever bathroom they want I can't believe we gotta pass loving laws about that because some people can't just get over it already "uhhh but my comfort" just take your poo and move on guyTwelve Batmans posted:Such a case of mistaken identity actually did happen. But this sort of thing is hardly as wide-spread as people make it out to be. chances are as attitudes like Applewhite's become more acceptable, we'll see more cases of this. there's loving groups of men 'patrolling' bathrooms now you weirdos. and I'm pretty sure the women using those bathrooms feel veeeerrry secure and comfortable. good thing there's men present to let them know they look acceptable enough to use the woman's bathroom!!! Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Aug 15, 2016 |
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a dog from hell posted:Hmm should I spend my morning grinding a dull razorblade into my skin or arguing with moridin about transexual bathrooms? Choices, choices, there truly are too many of them to behold. lol
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i have strong opinions on who should be allowed to use the bathroom, I simply CARE A LOT about women and don't want them to have to deal with icky trans men. people who say existing laws are sufficient to prevent/punish criminal activity thus we should let people use whatever bathroom they like simply do not know the horror of the chest hairs poking out while you're trying to have a wee HONK HONK
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Applewhite posted:Isn't "uhhh but my comfort" the sum total of the counter-argument? If it truly doesn't matter who uses what bathroom then use the bathroom you know society wants you to use. Why should everyone else have to change? They still serve a social convention purpose dog. The point is, don't let it become a thing where people can harass trans people about bathroom use and be legally protected in doing so. Since it is becoming a thing, some states are passing non-discrimination laws in response. Some people don't like that and imo those people are dumbos. Some of said people are now 'patrolling' bathrooms because they're apparently that bereft of other poo poo to do.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:We don't, actually, that's entirely the point. We do actually, because dumbfucks across the country are harassing citizens about what toilet they want to use. lol i'm beginning to understand your red text 8-Bit Scholar posted:And this. I don't quite understand it, and outside of validating "black experience", I fail to see why this issue needs to be forced in any way whatsoever. i know how dare those minorities want to be treated as equal citizens without worrying about morons harassing them about whether they have the right appearance
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