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Scaramouche
Mar 26, 2001

SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!

Re: biomass erosion, there might be some good news there. When I was in Palawan I visited a friend who was working on expanding mangrove forests which appear to be a good protector against wave damage and soil loss, and they love growing in the Philippines for some reason.

As an aside Palawan is incredible, and if I went back I'd try to go there directly and avoid Manila completely.

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chami
Mar 28, 2011

Keep it classy, boys~
Fun Shoe

Scaramouche posted:

Re: biomass erosion, there might be some good news there. When I was in Palawan I visited a friend who was working on expanding mangrove forests which appear to be a good protector against wave damage and soil loss, and they love growing in the Philippines for some reason.

As an aside Palawan is incredible, and if I went back I'd try to go there directly and avoid Manila completely.

This is the advice I give most people, avoid Manila like the plague and fly anywhere else.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/gmcortez_/status/1153489164672761856

love too have "universal healthcare" by corporate sponsors in a private-public partnership

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/gmcortez_/status/1153489164672761856

love too have "universal healthcare" by corporate sponsors in a private-public partnership

I have multiple tabs open and thought this post was about Succ Dems in the Dem Primary thread.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

If I wanted to read detailed books on Cold War Philippines (with and without Marcos), what would you recommend? I'm halfway through Indonesian Destinies (Theodore Friend)

Argue
Sep 29, 2005

I represent the Philippines
Should we ask mods for a Philippines thread in LAN, for general Philippines shitposting?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Grouchio posted:

If I wanted to read detailed books on Cold War Philippines (with and without Marcos), what would you recommend? I'm halfway through Indonesian Destinies (Theodore Friend)

I'd suggest Stanley Karnow's In Our Image

Argue
Sep 29, 2005

I represent the Philippines

toasterwarrior
Nov 11, 2011
That movie is being made by a Spanish studio in the Basque region, so I guess we have to un-support Basque independence now

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

toasterwarrior posted:

That movie is being made by a Spanish studio in the Basque region, so I guess we have to un-support Basque independence now
They never had a real chance anyways.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1195331868259999745

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/ABSCBNNews/status/1197010111580917762

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
There go the last of the basic human rights.

drilldo squirt
Aug 18, 2006

a beautiful, soft meat sack
Clapping Larry
Give me vapes or give me death.

chird
Sep 26, 2004

Ah, Christmas, 3 minutes of fireworks followed by 3 hours of ambulance sirens

Argue
Sep 29, 2005

I represent the Philippines
Stay safe, friends!

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
Holy poo poo, Tagaytay is a tourist attraction.. I was told it was dormant. Oops.

anakha
Sep 16, 2009


ReindeerF posted:

Holy poo poo, Tagaytay is a tourist attraction.. I was told it was dormant. Oops.

Nah, Taal is tagged as the country's second most active volcano. It's just that it's spewed mostly just smoke in recent memory.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
Heard Duterte ended the alliance with the US?

CronoGamer
May 15, 2004

why did this happen
Not the alliance, the visiting forces agreement. A substantial piece of the alliance for sure, but the VFA is an executive agreement, vice the mutual defense treaty, which is a treaty and I *think* would require Congressional approval to withdraw from.

Also, it's unclear whether they actually have withdrawn from the VFA. Defense Secretary Lorenzana rebutted the remarks from Presidential spokesman Panelo so who even knows at this point. https://www.rappler.com/nation/251331-lorenzana-says-no-order-duterte-terminate-vfa-february-2020

anakha
Sep 16, 2009


Damage control for the senile old man's rants is a full time job.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
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The Aquino-era EDCA is also still in effect, so it's not the end of the world. I'm just still surprised he did because it's not even particularly tasty red meat for the base.

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



anakha posted:

Damage control for the senile old man's rants is a full time job.

I thought this was the Philippines thread, not the Trump thread.

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006

Shooting Blanks posted:

I thought this was the Philippines thread, not the Trump thread.

Duterte is the Trump Trump wishes he could be.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

So how's the country been handling Covid and the ensuing recession? :suicide:

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
lol it's not going great:



Duterte reinstituted a tight lockdown on August 4th, that ran until August 18th, and you can see the effects of that in terms of the case-increase-rate dipping in late August-early September

and then we went right back into General Quarantine and look what happened two weeks later!

the Department of Transportation also deployed a plan yesterday to allow public transportation again, with 1.0 meter social distancing between people
two weeks later, the social distancing will be reduced to 0.75 meters
two weeks after that, the social distancing will be reduced to 0.5 meters
two weeks after that, the social distancing well be reduced to 0.3 meters

it's incredibly dumb

lockdown rules are relaxing just about everywhere and people are starting to leave Manila to vacation in the provinces and it's gonna be a goddamn clusterfuck

Other recent stories:

* a project to try and build a "white sand beach" along Manila Bay has come under fire for being a huge waste of money. We're in the middle of a loving pandemic and they're dumping tons of crushed rock quarried from Cebu so that we can have a beach along Roxas Boulevard

* DITO Telecommunications, which is trying to establish itself as a third player in the telco market after Globe and PLDT, is currently being investigated because it wants to establish cell sites inside military establishments (same as the other two companies), but Congress wants to block it because of DITO's Chinese mainland backers

* just today, the Ombudsman said that he's under no obligation to make public Duterte's SALN (Statement of Assets, Liabilities, and Net-worth) because apparently the fact that he already filed it all means that's already all the transparency that he needs to provide

Argue
Sep 29, 2005

I represent the Philippines
I'd say we're doing great. We're totally at 85%.

Navaash
Aug 15, 2001

FEED ME


Duterte is quitting (or at least claiming to).

The Washington posted:

Addressing the public, Duterte cited a recent survey that found most Filipinos believed Duterte running for vice president would be unconstitutional. “So in obedience to the will of the people who after all placed me in the presidency many years ago, I now say to my countrymen: I will follow what you want, and today I announce my retirement from politics,” he said.

Duterte, a tough-talking populist who is most known for a drug war that has left thousands dead, has previously claimed he would retire from politics before. He made a similar pronouncement just before running for the presidency, which he won in 2016.

(...)

Other commentators also expect a possible partnership with Ferdinand “Bongbong” Marcos Jr., the son of a late dictator of the same name. The Marcos family, which ruled for two decades in a period riddled with corruption and human rights abuses, have stayed active in local politics. Experts and historians say their continued pursuit of public office, as well as disinformation campaigns on social media, are attempts to rehabilitate their family image.

Political analyst Antonio La Viña warned that a Marcos-Duterte win could signal a new “dark age,” with continued human rights abuses and elite political dynasties further consolidating power. “It will last not just for six years or 12 years but more — because there are so many Marcoses and Dutertes in the wings,” said La Viña. “Because many of the Philippines’ cities and towns are ruled by families, it will just be [like] Game of Thrones.”

One would hope the Filipino diaspora would not fall for this, but then again, they elected Duterte in the first place :shrug:

Navaash fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Oct 2, 2021

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
I already wrote something for another thread, might as well cross-post

gradenko_2000 posted:

okay, I may have mentioned this before, but Duterte was threatening (my word) for months and months that he was going to run for Vice President, and then his daughter, Sara Duterte, would run for President, and that would do a full-court press on the Executive branch

Sara has repeatedly claimed that she does NOT want to run for President, and indeed today filed a candidacy for a third term as Mayor of Davao City

also, Bong Go, Duterte's right-hand man, who was also rumored to be running for President (with Rodrigo Duterte as VP, since Sara denied wanting to run for President) did file a candidacy today, for Vice President, but without an identified running mate

so to reiterate, a bunch of poo poo is up in the air:

* Rodrigo Duterte says he's retiring, when people expected him to run for VP
* Sara Duterte has filed a candidacy to run for Mayor of Davao city, when people expected her to run for President
* Bong Go has filed a candidacy to run for Vice President, when people expected him to run for President, but also he doesn't have a running mate, when it would presumably be Sara Duterte

what throws a spanner into all of this is the loophole in our candidacy-filing process: parties can file for a SUBSTITUTION of their candidate up to a month after the official deadline of filing for candidacies

https://www.rappler.com/nation/elections/explainer-rodrigo-duterte-president-substitution

during the 2016 campaign, this is exactly what happened: Martin Diño (a low-level politico) filed as the presidential candidate for the PDP-Laban party (Duterte's party), and Rodrigo Duterte himself filed as a candidate to run for Mayor of Davao City. The official deadline of Oct 16, 2015 came and went... and the Duterte campaign used the intervening month to build hype for Duterte's campaign, with pundits pointing out that the substitution loophole existed, and then wondering if Duterte was going to take it

the substitution deadline was Dec 10, 2015, and on that very day, Duterte rode a private jet from Davao to Manila, and filed to replace Martin Diño as PDP-Laban's candidate, in the final office hours before the government offices closed. It was part of the whole "the people demanded that Duterte be their president" mystique of his early campaign

this is why I wouldn't trust ANYTHING coming out from the official candidacy filings until, like, Christmas 2021. No Duterte for President, no Duterte for VP, Bong Go on his lonesome makes zero sense. I could kind of believe Rodrigo Duterte finally retiring, but only if Sara Duterte were to run for the top spot.

___

by the by, we're also still waiting on whether Bongbong Marcos is going to run for office, and whether Leni Robredo is going to run for office. The official period for filing of candidacies runs until October 8, 2021 (and then the aforementioned substitution loophole carries on for another month after that), so there's still more maneuvering and drama to come.

I might expand on this further once the dust settles

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Sometimes I wonder how the American colonial administration could've prevented such high levels of nepotism and kleptocracy in the Philippines.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Grouchio posted:

Sometimes I wonder how the American colonial administration could've prevented such high levels of nepotism and kleptocracy in the Philippines.

Nah, they encouraged that poo poo, because its easy to control.

LonsomeSon
Nov 22, 2009

A fishperson in an intimidating hat!

Yeah “prevented” rofl

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

CommieGIR posted:

Nah, they encouraged that poo poo, because its easy to control.
Goes to show how little I know

LonsomeSon
Nov 22, 2009

A fishperson in an intimidating hat!

Grouchio posted:

Goes to show how little I know

It’s how all colonizers work, all the time. The entire point of getting into the colonial bureaucracy is to either take advantage of corruption for personal gain, or to create it where not enough exists.

Usually that involves cooperating with locals out for the same thing, who have their own avarice to feed. It’s what makes the US partially or mostly responsible for all of the awful poo poo we cause or let happen in our various or former colonies and possessions.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Someone make an India thread so we can get grouchio’s take on the Raj

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
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It's been about a week since the official period for filing of candidacies has passed, and the official candidates for President are:

* Ferdinand "Bongbong" Marcos Jr. - son of the dictator. There's really not much to say about his achievements because there weren't any besides being a regional governor while his father was still dictator, though he did win a single term as Senator in 2003 with very little done. As far as his politics, the most I've really ever heard is him trying to whitewash his father's record, and filing various cases and suits to prevent the Philippine government from recovering dear old dad's ill-gotten gains.

* Francisco "Isko Moreno" Domagoso - currently Mayor of the city of Manila since June 2019, has been involved in local-level politics since at least 1998. There's at least one international news outlet that's described him as a "porn star", but that's an overexagerration since the roles were merely risque for the 90s. He's built a national reputation on the back of a very active social-media account since becoming Mayor, with a camera crew following him around as he takes firehoses to graffiti, displaces street vendors, and generally exuding a "Man of Action" image.

* Maria Leonor "Leni" Robredo - currently the Vice President. She gained national prominence after her husband, Jesse Robredo, by all accounts a fantastic local politician, died tragically in a helicopter accident in 2012. She's been with the Liberal Party ever since, and was a Congressman before she ran for the VP spot. She was a cabinet secretary for public housing under Duterte right up until she was fired, and ever since has been using whatever funding she gets from the Office of the VP to run outreach programs for indigent communities, and more recently PPE and mutual aid and vaccination programs during the pandemic. This time she's running as an "independent", though in the Philippines your specific party affiliation doesn't really mean all that much. As the figurehead of Philippine liberalism all eyes are on her to be The Opposition Leader.

* Emmanuel "Manny" Pacquiao - the boxer. That by itself has given him a national profile, along with his reputation for being very magnanimous with cash and goods giveaways in local communities whenever he comes home from a big prize fight. His actual record as a Senator indicates him as being very religiously conservative, what with support for the death penalty and opposition to LGBT rights legislation backed-up by Bible quotes. He has attempted to adopt some level of being opposed to Duterte within recent months, wading into allegations of corruption by the administration, but it's my impression that nobody really believes in that being genuine.

* Panfilo "Ping" Lacson - sitting Senator, former police chief, implicated in a double murder and a string of gangland killings in the 90s. I don't want to spend too much time talking about this guy because he has no real voting base and will be lucky to crack 5%, but it's worth mentioning his presence mostly because he represents the branch of Philippine conservatism that is as violent and repressive as Duterte, minus the vulgarity.

* Leody de Guzman - labor leader. On the one hand he probably also does not have a very large voting base, but his candidacy is notable insofar as we have never had an out-and-out socialist run for President for as long as I've lived, and as far as I know not at all since the 1950s.

* Bato dela Rosa - sitting Senator, former chief of police in Davao City, where he was Duterte's right-hand man (and still WAS Duterte's right-hand man when Duterte appointed him NATIONAL chief of police for the first, most violent part of his presidency). I do not consider him a serious candidate, but it is likely that he will be the conduit for Sara Duterte, Rodrigo's daughter and current Mayor of Davao City, to enter the race as a presidential candidate, sometime within the next month via the substitution loophole that I've previously described.

___

Because I mostly frequent liberal and left circles, my perspective is going to be necessarily skewed to only seeing what goes on in such parts, but I'd like to share some observations in the weeks since.

- the order in which I listed the candidates corresponds to roughly how they've placed as far as the last polling data we have (yes yes polls are fake etc.), with Sara Duterte presumably moving into the spot between Marcos and Domagoso if she ever officially runs. That said, the last polls were done before the official candidacies were filed, so who knows how this will shake-out.

- Domagoso declared his intention to run for President about a week before the official filing of candidacies, while Robredo waited until the penultimate day to file hers. In that interim, a lot of the discussion was about whether Robredo would choose to run at all, and whether people should suck it up and vote for Domagoso because he's the lesser-evil compared to everyone else.

- once Robredo actually did announce though, there was immediately a lot of enthusiasm for her. I don't know how much this actually translates into on-the-ground support until/unless we get some polling numbers. Conversely, Domagoso managed to eat into whatever goodwill he had among the liberal set by picking a fight with Robredo a day after her filing, insinuating that people need to "move on" from a reductive anti-Marcos politics, and that she demonstrated no party loyalty by running as an independent despite being the nominal Liberal Party leader for the last six years; Domagoso himself has switched across four parties during his career, including a new party just before this year's presidential run.

- more recently, there's been a lot of talk about respective endorsements for candidates for Senator. Robredo released a set of 11 names, out of a maximum of 12, including a number of people that quite clearly right-of-center, while also including none* from the left. Some people are all up-in-arms about Robredo refusing to make any concessions to the left by not even giving the 12th spot to left-wing candidate Neri Colmenares, while also endorsing the likes of former VP and Corruption Elemental Jejomar Binay.

- pardon my Ameri-centrism, but it feels very "Democrat Party primary" at the moment, with people making all sorts of excuses as to why it's acceptable for Robredo to collaborate with the right in order to "broaden the coalition to defeat Marcos", while also pooh-poohing the left for being "too idealistic" for insinuating that they'd refuse to vote for Robredo/would vote for de Guzman instead because of how she's so far treated the parties to her right.

- personally, I expect a lot of people who'd consider themselves leftists would vote for Robredo regardless just because I'm all too familiar with the fear of the worst-case scenario, and while I don't really mean to imply that Robredo is as conservative as Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden, I'm also not going to pass up the chance to vote for an actual socialist this time around.




This is a bit scattershot, and maybe a little Too Online, but I'd be happy to take any questions. The election is in May.




* re-electionist Senator Risa Hontiveros was one of those endorsed, and she's from Akbayan, a Social Democrat party, but they caucus so closely with the Liberal Party that I hesitate to really call her "on the left".

Argue
Sep 29, 2005

I represent the Philippines
sigh

ihatepants
Nov 5, 2011

Let the burning of pants commence. These things drive me nuts.



My wife and I wanted to vote for the upcoming elections, but it's stupid that it requires an in-person visit to the Philippine Consulate to get biometrics. I'm not going to travel to San Francisco from Seattle just to do that.

They also had one of those consular outreach missions here a few months ago, but none of the options were for voter registration (only passport renewals and the like - you had to specify exactly what kind of service you wanted done from three or four options). It also ran out of slots within the first 10 minutes of opening up (after numerous technical issues on their end - including posting the wrong link to registration on their facebook page). Not really surprising that it was such a mess.

Edit: Also while I'm complaining about the Philippine Consulate and their red tape, it's dumb that there's so many requirements necessary to let our US-born daughter be considered a dual citizen. My wife is still a Philippine Citizen and I'm a Dual Citizen. The SF consulate refused to honor my daughter's status because they require submission of a specific certificate (to prove that I became reacquired my Philippine citizenship) that did not exist when I reacquired my Philippine Citizenship in NYC in 2008 after being naturalized. I called the NYC Consulate and they confirmed that the certificate wasn't being given yet at the time, but offered no other help to even coordinate with SF. I don't understand why a certificate is even necessary when I have a valid Philippine passport that I wouldn't even have if I wasn't a citizen.

ihatepants fucked around with this message at 12:27 on Nov 13, 2021

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
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I take ONE vacation and it falls on this of all weekends

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Argue
Sep 29, 2005

I represent the Philippines
double sigh

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