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ImpAtom posted:Okay. So you're not even saying she's wrong. You're just insisting that she 'can't possibly know' because she... doesn't have access to research, polling and information? I'm smarter and better at politics than the next president of the United States, can't you see that?!?!
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lozzle posted:Even the idiots on r/politics think the fundraising comments are basically true and that the original Politico title was ridiculous clickbait. That, and it has to compete with Trump saying he'd love to plow 12 year old daughter of a close friend and the whole Machado thing and and and
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Oct 1, 2016 04:24
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The fact that she's a woman has nothing to do with the fact that I misinterpret everything she says as being overly critical and haughty! Nothing!!!
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Oct 1, 2016 04:26
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Spaced God posted:https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/782055965243871232 He can't help but react this way. The guy is basically a wind-up toy.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:26
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Samurai Sanders posted:I dunno if coup is the right word but yeah, both sides claim they won and set up their own administrations and then it becomes a failed state. I honestly don't think Trump has the stamina to try this.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:27
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ImpAtom posted:Okay. So you're not even saying she's wrong. You're just insisting that she 'can't possibly know' because she... doesn't have access to research, polling and information? No I am not shocked she said that, I don't even have a problem with her saying that. She is a center right politician to the bone. I do have an issue with posters going full 2008 and pretending that she isn't dismissing it but instead how she actually totally understands and supports you. It's like reading those Obama threads and people trying to make him something he is not. She is much better than Trump you don't need anything more.
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Epic High Five posted:That, and it has to compete with Trump saying he'd love to plow 12 year old daughter of a close friend and the whole Machado thing and and and Wait, I think I missed this, link? 
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Oct 1, 2016 04:29
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i think the "on one hand / And on the other side" line is drawing equivalency between the far left's "free healthcare is good" and the far rights "deporting and bombing all muslims is good" viewpoints and I think that is pretty lame but also a very common centrist argument. I think pointing out that both far left and far right are drawing upon a sort of weltschmerz(thanks randler) due to economic malaise is a fair analysis. I think the "parents basement" quip was very poorly phrased and you could argue that its choice was deliberate and/or betrays a level of antipathy towards that demographic, or she was just dumb enough to use it as opposed to something less loaded. ~tone argument~ And I also think the "we must change the system gradually" tract is pretty tired by this point and I think its a sort of bit of conventional centrist Democrat wisdom that should gently caress off. And I think the "we need to be understanding of that" line is condescending when combined with the previous blurb since it echos similar democrat positions on things like income inequality, gay marriage, civil rights, etc. I also think none of this is actually surprising to hear at all.
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CharlestheHammer posted:No I am not shocked she said that, I don't even have a problem with her saying that. She is a center right politician to the bone. I do have an issue with posters going full 2008 and pretending that she isn't dismissing it but instead how she actually totally understands and supports you. You've just suddenly completely changed your entire argument from "she can't know" to "Well, of course she'd say that, she's just being dismissive!!" CharlestheHammer posted:instead how she actually totally understands and supports you. Okay. Except she actually said that. We are basing what we are saying off the thing she actually said. You are just arguing that... she said it but wasn't nice enough? She said it and you don't think she meant it?
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Oct 1, 2016 04:29
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Night10194 posted:I honestly don't think Trump has the stamina to try this. I would love to see how many of the alt-right get culled by this, though.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:31
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ImpAtom posted:You've just suddenly completely changed your entire argument from "she can't know" to "Well, of course she'd say that, she's just being dismissive!!" That isn't changing the argument at all? She is being dismissive because she doesn't believe in those policies so she treats its believers as naive at best or ill informed at worst. To accuse me up being unable to read you can't seem read at all. I mean we all love a burn but your desperate attempts at it are getting sad.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:33
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CharlestheHammer posted:No I am not shocked she said that, I don't even have a problem with her saying that. She is a center right politician to the bone. I do have an issue with posters going full 2008 and pretending that she isn't dismissing it but instead how she actually totally understands and supports you. She's not center right. Not even close.
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Tiler Kiwi posted:i think the "on one hand / And on the other side" line is drawing equivalency between the far left's "free healthcare is good" and the far rights "deporting and bombing all muslims is good" viewpoints and I think that is pretty lame but also a very common centrist argument. https://www.twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312
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Oct 1, 2016 04:34
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Honestly, part I find objectionable is her talking about being more like Scandinavia as if it is located in the Andromeda galaxy and populated by sentient jellyfish or something. If you somehow read the rest as condescending, you're both reaching and far more clueless than she is.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:35
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Lemming posted:She's not center right. Not even close. If you say it enough times it doesn't make it true.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:36
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I'm literally a Socialist Party USA member. Clinton is absolutely correct that progress on these issues has to be gradual, due to decades of cold war propaganda against anything even close to leftist poisoning the discourse and shifting the Overton window hard to the right. Once the cold warrior generations start dying off it'll be easier to implement these kinds of things quickly, but we can't just pretend that that's a challenge that doesn't exist. That's being naive and idiotic.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:36
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Panzeh posted:If you say it enough times it doesn't make it true. 
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Oct 1, 2016 04:39
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CharlestheHammer posted:That isn't changing the argument at all? She is being dismissive because she doesn't believe in those policies so she treats its believers as naive at best or ill informed at worst. To accuse me up being unable to read you can't seem read at all. I mean we all love a burn but your desperate attempts at it are getting sad. Real talk, do you think she believes in improving healthcare beyond where it is now or overturning CU?
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Oct 1, 2016 04:39
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I saw that dude get pants'd in the middle of a restaurant and he has a tiny pee pee Also the HRC omments were fine you babies. She was right and I trust her to be the conduit for change because she of realist statements like that.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:39
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A Winner is Jew posted:Real talk, do you think she believes in improving healthcare beyond where it is now or overturning CU? We may see some small changes but I think we will be basically at the Same place. Though that isn't something she can do alone so even that depends on congress.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:41
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Hey so in 20 minutes when there's a new thread, can we get the corncob tweet and the definition of "Arzy" in the OP? Questions on those two things seem to come up every few pages.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:41
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skylined! posted:I saw that dude get pants'd in the middle of a restaurant and he has a tiny pee pee https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nHL1mFOdXY
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Oct 1, 2016 04:42
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CharlestheHammer posted:We may see some small changes but I think we will be basically at the Same place. Though that isn't something she can do alone so even that depends on congress. I didn't ask you what will happen, I asked you if those are things she actually believes in.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:43
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You know, that comic in the OP turned out to be surprisingly prescient, didn't it? Thank christ Trump lost so badly the media couldn't claim he won the debate like the OP predicted.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:46
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skylined! posted:I saw that dude get pants'd in the middle of a restaurant and he has a tiny pee pee He also got fired from TNA for getting drunk and showing a Spike TV executive his rear end in a top hat at a party
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Wait, I think I missed this, link? The Paris Hilton comments...no link bc I'm on phone but huffpo had a piece on it and you can find it with a cursory google
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Oct 1, 2016 04:54
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:I'm literally a Socialist Party USA member. Clinton is absolutely correct that progress on these issues has to be gradual, due to decades of cold war propaganda against anything even close to leftist poisoning the discourse and shifting the Overton window hard to the right. Once the cold warrior generations start dying off it'll be easier to implement these kinds of things quickly, but we can't just pretend that that's a challenge that doesn't exist. That's being naive and idiotic. personally i think the united states is in the midst of a leftward shift, some of that is that the cold war is moving out of living memory for most people, some of it is that how we view the wealthy has shifted into a much more critical view (compare "lifestyles of the rich and famous" in the 80's to how we look at people like martin shkreli today), and some of it is that the kind of lifestyle that was presented as the norm for generations previous is no longer economically possible.
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Oct 1, 2016 05:00
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I am genuinely stunned at how badly Trump has responded to losing that debate
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Instant Sunrise posted:personally i think the united states is in the midst of a leftward shift, some of that is that the cold war is moving out of living memory for most people, some of it is that how we view the wealthy has shifted into a much more critical view (compare "lifestyles of the rich and famous" in the 80's to how we look at people like martin shkreli today), and some of it is that the kind of lifestyle that was presented as the norm for generations previous is no longer economically possible.  I've posted this before but my wife just went thru a top level mba program and even that has totally run away from the management ideas that were dominant in the 80's to one that is more long term and worker friendly focused.
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Oct 1, 2016 05:07
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I am genuinely stunned at how badly Trump has responded to losing that debate I think PJ was onto something with 'This was supposed to be the biggest, finest hit of his drug outside of actually winning the presidency and instead he got laughed off the stage and clowned on.'
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Oct 1, 2016 05:09
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I don't think Trump would actually be able to get a lot of people to agree he won the election if he loses by the margin he apparently will based on these trends. I think his children would try to have him committed or something.
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Nessus posted:I don't think Trump would actually be able to get a lot of people to agree he won the election if he loses by the margin he apparently will based on these trends. I think his children would try to have him committed or something. What do the Joker and Trump have in common? Neither can stay committed Also they have a lot of other stuff in common
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A Winner is Jew posted:
this entire election cycle i don't think i've heard anybody unironically call the 1% "job creators"
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I am genuinely stunned at how badly Trump has responded to losing that debate I think the response has been much worse than the debate loss itself. If he didn't fall into the traps and pile onto Machado all week the bleeding from the debate would have already begun slowing down by midweek.
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Instant Sunrise posted:this entire election cycle i don't think i've heard anybody unironically call the 1% "job creators" God that was the worst. gently caress Mitt Romney forever.
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Instant Sunrise posted:this entire election cycle i don't think i've heard anybody unironically call the 1% "job creators" I've seen Republicans saying Trump's businesses created jobs, if that counts.
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GalacticAcid posted:I've seen Republicans saying Trump's businesses created jobs, if that counts. He did though? All of those undocumented workers have jobs now.
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The shift is happening, but that doesn't make the millions of people still riding the cold war high suddenly disappear and stop fighting . It'd be rad as gently caress if we could just elect a president and they would declare worker ownership of the means of production and the economy would transition over night. That's not how the US government works. With the incumbent advantage and lack of term limits in congress, GOP gerrymandering , "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" Dems, etc actually implementing leftist policies simply has to be a gradual thing. We were lucky that SSM fell under the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court due to the Equal Protection Clause, but imagine how much longer it would have taken if it hadn't. Look at how hard keeping access to abortion open to women is despite Roe v Wade. Those are the kinds of fights we're going to see over things like a GMI and actual universal health care, and the fact that millennials are more left wing than previous generations aren't going to change that overnight.
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I don't know if it's been posted in this thread or not, but this was really amazing: over 70 major actors, writers, and producers who've worked on the Star Trek franchise came out today and signed off on a public service letter utterly dunking on Trump. That includes every* living main cast member of the five TV shows and the reboot movies, the children of deceased actors/producers (like Leonard Nimoy and Gene and Majel Roddenberry's kids), big-name Trek producers like JJ Abrams, Bryan Fuller, and Rick Berman, and prominent Trek guest stars. The only notable absences are William Shatner (Canadian citizen), Patrick Stewart (British citizen), and Jolene Blalock (who has distanced herself from Trek because of how lovely the producers on Enterprise treated her), Garret Wong (similar story) and Jeri Ryan (who was married to ex-Republican senator Jack Ryan--aka the guy whose seat Obama won after his divorcing Jeri torpedoed his political career). Still, that's a loving amazing list of people. *E: on closer inspection, Nichelle Nichols, Robert Beltran, Roxann Dawson, and Avery Brooks aren't on the list. So not EVERY living main cast member, but the vast majority of them, at least. nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Oct 1, 2016 |
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Even the Evangelical Christians have been defanged in the past few presidential elections, a far cry from the Moral Majority that elected Reagan and W and made the 1994 midterms happen.
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