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Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Jackson Taus posted:

It hasn't been over the last two weeks, it's just gotten press attention the last two weeks. Like the EpiPen and insulin rises have been over the course of years. I didn't notice what set off the EpiPen frenzy, but the insulin one was a result of piggybacking off the press the EpiPen one got.

Do I blame Obamacare for the prices going up or thank obamacare for prices not increasing even more?

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Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

iospace posted:

https://twitter.com/MattMackowiak/status/771314939961106433
I don't know what poll he's using, but this is definitely before Trump's bullshit last night.

https://twitter.com/Random_Pixels/status/771318471967797248

Trump will be getting 95% of the Hispanic support by 2020 too. Hillary is doomed

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

BiohazrD posted:

It's so weird to me that insurers are allowed to exclude medications. Why don't they just exclude everything and pocket the money?

Have to leave a few hardball tactics in the back pocket for when they want congress to repeal all of obamacare but the mandate.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Jackson Taus posted:

One of the common criticisms of Obamacare was that there wasn't enough cost-control on the provider-side (because it's politically unpopular if it looks like you're going after the family doctor).

working as originally intended.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
Trump wins the debate if he is not utterly destroyed by Clinton or the moderator.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

beatlegs posted:

The moderators just announced are all pretty tough, knowledgable journalists. I doubt they're gonna lob softballs.

Yes, but if trump can weather the questions or deflects expertly (lol) he wins because his bar is so low.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
Question: Having a discussion about BLM and Kaep with my fellow white coworkers. What is the best thing to say in response to black on black crime rates?

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
Thanks guys. That is the stuff I said and wants to make sure I had the bases covered. I'll have to reiterate it at break with actual numbers.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

FairGame posted:

Even aside from the numbers, "what about black on black crime" in response to "maybe cops should stop killing black people" is gross.

It's misdirection. If you bring your car into the shop with a flat tire, and the mechanic is like "but what about your bad alternator," the doesn't mean your flat tire should be ignored until the alternator is fixed. People are capable of addressing more than one bad thing at a time. "Other thing is also bad, guess we can't do anything" is a bullshit approach.

(Of course, black people murdering other black people, just like white people murdering other white people, is a function of gun proliferation, amongst other things, and that's probably not a can of worms worth opening.)

Yes it is, but I am a white man talking to white people about issues that are seen has "minority problems" and have to explain why what other white people are saying is wrong and how our view as white people is skewed. Guns is not an angle I can go at most of the time.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Gyges posted:

If Grassley is actually only up 7 points the GOP are turbo hosed in the Senate. He's the bleeding edge of the pipe dream, wish on a star seat flips. There's like 11(?) Republican seats that are more likely to flip than his. He usually wins by 30 or more points.

Grassley is fine, but Iowans are a bit pissed he won't do his job.

Edit: to be clear this is a bit anecdotal since I do not think they have polled the Supreme Court question since June or July. It is hurting his usually strong support among democrats in Iowa.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Grouchio posted:

Is it time to start arzying over the closing percentage gap yet?

Yes. It is showing trump is picking up minority support in swing states.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
Hillary Clinton is hummingbird if you watch her hands.













Because she has Parkinson's. :tinfoil:

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
Trump was right. :eyepop:

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Night10194 posted:

http://election.princeton.edu/2016/09/16/is-a-change-in-the-air/

He seems confident this will swing back, but confirms what I've suspected: Trump is now acceptable to the GOP and a normal Republican candidate.

This is exactly what people were worried about but the very smart people would say it was a silly thought and Trumpism would die.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Radish posted:

Trump is losing:

Women
African Americans
Latinos
Muslims
Catholics
Mormons
College educated white men
LGBT
and apparently not great with moderate Republicans

but still is gaining ground nationally and now winning swing states. I just don't understand. I'm hoping that the day after the election it comes out that uneducated white males were significantly over-sampled but Trump losing practically every demographic while still being very competitive is mind boggling.

If I remember correctly trump needs to win about 70% of white male vote to win the election. He is polling 64ish from what I've seen.

Edit: this is if we go by 2012 numbers I'll add.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

HannibalBarca posted:

https://twitter.com/mcuban/status/776817698097332224

In a "normal" election cycle, Mark Cuban being an enthusiastic Hillary surrogate would be incredibly strange to see.

mark cuban is a bad man who hates trump and isn't spineless

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Night10194 posted:

It also ignores the fact that she is still, you know, beating Donald Trump.

I think you will find she isn't in the hearts of true deplorablesAmericans.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Pastrymancy posted:

Jill "defended Putin annexing Crimea, took Kremlin money to go on vacation" Stein does not have a leg up foreign policy ethics-wise

As far as I can tell she has the 2nd most experience of the candidates and hasn't had a direct hand in murdering Americans.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

CascadeBeta posted:

Another thought just occurred to me. There was a poll taken recently, and I don't have it on hand but I know it was posted here, that around 60% of Republicans think the election is going to be rigged against them. If you're so defeatist or a conspiracy theorist or whatever to think your vote is meaningless in the grand scheme of things, why the gently caress would they go out and vote at all?

To catch the voter fraud and election rigging at the local Presbyterian church

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Eugene V. Dabs posted:

The 2nd most experience doing what

Taking money from Putin.

She is the middle ground candidate.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

DemeaninDemon posted:

I don't like saying Trump is worse than Stein or Johnson. All three are poo poo for different reasons so you cannot give them power rankings.

How is that new job at the NYT?

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Zas posted:

I know this analogy is played out, but the media are basically in an abusive relationship with trump

And just like a lot of abusive relationships, in the end trump will shoot the media.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Eugene V. Dabs posted:

She's not even that far left, she's just insane

Why are you making a good argument to vote for her?

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Mokelumne Trekka posted:

Hillary Clinton has 30 years experience in politics and her vast campaign is starting to lose to disorganized, outspent demagogue Trump, and you're mad at me.

I also made it clear I'd vote for Hillary in a swing state where a self-righteous protest vote can't be afforded. gently caress.

Vote your conscience.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Kilroy posted:

The media can claim Clinton shrinked Trump into a corncob at the debates and it won't move the needle much. Even his supporters don't expect him to do all that well, and Hillary's supporters already expect her to win. So why would anyone change their mind when exactly that happens?

It terms of support the best Clinton can hope for from the debates is that they don't change anything, which is to say they don't change the fact that Trump is slowly but surely gaining support.

The spineless republicans are just lining up behind the orange hate Cheeto. Of course they wouldn't abstain or vote Johnson. They are too greedy and racist themselves.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

DemeaninDemon posted:

No serious climate change solution excludes nuclear as it's necessary to keep power output at current levels.

Time to unplug our consumer economy and help ease the exploitation of 3rd world work forces.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

PhazonLink posted:

An article buried in this thread or last months, said he was doing basically nothing.

The Fox News rapeist is in charge of debate prep, but Trump is acting like it's a get together/small party. The term that struck with me is "burger" dinners.

This is Trump. (fake)Diamond and (fake)gold plates with McDs on them.

Expectation setting. Look trump didn't prepare and didn't get outright owned. He won!

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Popular Human posted:

I wish liberals attacked Donald Trump with half the rancor they do third-party candidates. I'm honestly starting to think hammering on "he's racist" and "he's xenophobic" every day is just making his shithead base cleave firmer to his flabby bosom.

It doesn't matter what is said.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Mokelumne Trekka posted:

So who's this Gary Johnson guy anyway. He seems kinda cool.

He likes marijuana, no taxes, and child porn. Like all libertarians.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Grouchio posted:

Is the media still extremely pissed at Trump for yesterday? Any news on that?

Yes. Wolf ripped his shirt off, screamed, and leaped over across the set at Corey before the cameras were cut.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

GalacticAcid posted:

We suspected they had weapons of mass destruction. We were wrong but what can you do?

Bomb them some more?

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Mokelumne Trekka posted:

Today I learned if you cast a worthless vote in a deep blue state for Jill Stein, you are an advocate of a one billion person genocide triggered by GMO bans.

I think things are a little tense here because Trump had good polls in Ohio and Florida recently.

Is that the lesson? I thought it was do not vote.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
It would be easier if we just converted to Islam.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
The "No One Knows Anything" Buzzfeed podcast has a great interview with Senator Booker and Senator Lee about their crime bill.

"Primary Concerns" the New Republic podcast has a phenomenal discussion on how white media minimizes racism.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The only polls I've seen today are Clinton +6 national (from McLatchy which has a slight Clinton lean) and Trump +21 in Arkansas (from some no name state pollster.)

Oh god she will lose Arkansas!

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

DemeaninDemon posted:

Sup night shift bro.

I'm relying on goons to relay the amount of lying Trump does.

Everything trump said was a lie or half truth. He kept his composure though and won the debate.

Friday polls show him +6.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
538 just dropped a perdebate podcast episode where right at the beginning Nate says we should be freaking out right now.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Augus posted:

does Nate ever not say this

Not on the podcast. He has consistently said it is only worrying if they get within a certain amount and stay there for a week. They got to the percentages and stayed for a week and he still said it wasn't that bad because she still had the EVs
this was before the 26 polls that dropped. He is now bed wetting and saying Dems need to freak out because the trends are very bad for them.

Edit: Hillary is still projected at 271 EVs. I'm personally still a little spooked.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

You live in a Swing State, so if you are spooked, I suggest volunteering.

I live a swing state that is going Trump. Iowa is flipping.

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Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

canepazzo posted:

Reuters/Ipsos (too many tweets to paste)

Iowa:
Trump 51 (+10)
Clinton 41

I'm totally melting down if this happens election night regardless of Clinton winning.

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