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How did people running shows on Public Access before Youtube manage?
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Sep 5, 2016 17:45
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The only thing I know about this is it's probably the fault of millenials.
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Sep 5, 2016 17:45
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JediTalentAgent posted:How did people running shows on Public Access before Youtube manage? the goal is not to speak freely here, it's to get money
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Sep 5, 2016 17:46
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Gianthogweed posted:Because, under international control, free speech on the internet may no longer be protected by the first amendment. oh no
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Sep 5, 2016 17:50
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YouTube has changed the way they inform people of a policy they've had since 2012 and autistic internet children have decried it as the end of free speech as we know it.
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Sep 5, 2016 17:55
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Normally I would totally bang the drum that silencing people from the services that define communication in the modern world is censorship or something equivalently bad, especially when these companies have worked really hard to become near-monopolies. That the right metaphor is not the bank not letting me protest in their lobby, it's AT&T cutting off my phone service because it's the mccarthy era and they were told I'm a commie. That "no platforming" was the shittiest idea that anyone who calls themselves a liberal could ever support, and will accomplish nothing good and do much harm. but in this case they're not being kicked off youtube or even having videos blocked, they're just not getting adbucks. youtube's still providing them bandwidth and allowing them to voice their opinions to anyone that wants to watch it, they're just not being paid for the privilege.
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Sep 5, 2016 18:40
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Flesh Forge posted:your an idiot No, you're. Klyith posted:but in this case they're not being kicked off youtube or even having videos blocked, they're just not getting adbucks. youtube's still providing them bandwidth and allowing them to voice their opinions to anyone that wants to watch it, they're just not being paid for the privilege. The "fat Youtube dollars" bubble was always bound to burst, but it seems like people are upset over how Youtube has chosen to implement these new restrictions, moreso than the restrictions themselves. I'm more irritated at the limp-wristed defense of these policies and this notion that objecting to this practice is somehow a selfish attitude to take. This being said, Patreon is surely going to explode because of this. A large audience generates revenue, and Youtube remains a platform for building an audience, ad revenue or no ad revenue. I doubt very much will change because of this. It's better for everyone not to rely on adverts because advertising is never a reliable income source these days.
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Sep 5, 2016 18:46
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Gianthogweed posted:Because, under international control, free speech on the internet may no longer be protected by the first amendment. the only thing under the protection of the first amendment is your right to pay a domain registrar and hosting or service provider to put up your own website complaining about sjws and feminists using tlds under us jurisdiction and not have it taken down by the feds
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Sep 5, 2016 18:48
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8-Bit Scholar posted:No, you're. Most people who are "big" on Youtube have jumped to Patreon anyways IMO, since Adblockers are such a prevalent thing. As you said, most of the rage about this is just bad communication on Youtube's part, because who thought having "no swearing or violence" in the List Of Bad Things would go over well?
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Sep 5, 2016 19:01
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who do most prominent "online free speech" activists usually turn out to be pedophiles and stuff like that? makes u think
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fits my needs posted:who do most prominent "online free speech" activists usually turn out to be pedophiles and stuff like that? makes u think
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Sep 5, 2016 19:06
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Infidel Castro posted:The only thing I know about this is it's probably the fault of millenials. true
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Sep 5, 2016 19:07
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Palace of Hate posted:the only thing under the protection of the first amendment is your right to pay a domain registrar and hosting or service provider to put up your own website complaining about sjws and feminists using tlds under us jurisdiction and not have it taken down by the feds Yes, because those are the only websites that will have their DNS registration taking away. It's totally okay to not have the internet protected by the first amendment. Let's just let governments censor whatever they want so they can push any of their propaganda through unchallenged. I'm sure you'd love it if Trump wins and he can censor any websites that criticize him. Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Sep 5, 2016 |
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Sep 5, 2016 19:15
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Stuntman posted:it's almost as if people who hold conservative viewpoints are trash people free speech is a conservative viewpoint? wow
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Sep 5, 2016 19:16
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bertolt rekt posted:aww man now that you've reminded me of it I really want to watch this video again this parody, which comically is closer to 'bullying' than the deleted original, still exists for you my friend https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onLV-2_yV7s Sancho posted:lol link to that video? and for you too so my post becomes yellow and you know it's a must click zone
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Sep 5, 2016 19:17
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Blue Train posted:free speech is a conservative viewpoint? wow Everything that was once considered a leftist position is now a conservative position. Small government / low taxes / anti-authoritarianism / free speech. All were leftist positions for most of human history until Marxism became a thing. Get used to it.
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Sep 5, 2016 19:25
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Gianthogweed posted:Everything that was once considered a leftist position is now a conservative position. Small government / low taxes / anti-authoritarianism / free speech. All were leftist positions for most of human history until Marxism became a thing. Get used to it. Yeah great or it could be that the conservative party is just grasping at straws and trying not to hemorrhage voters after being outed as the Party of Broken-brained Bigot Assholes. They're not actually "for" any of those things you said.
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Sep 5, 2016 19:34
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King Vidiot posted:Yeah great or it could be that the conservative party is just grasping at straws and trying not to hemorrhage voters after being outed as the Party of Broken-brained Bigot Assholes. They're not actually "for" any of those things you said. I never said they were. I'm not a Republican and don't consider myself a conservative. It's the left who has ousted the true liberals and branded them as conservative right wingers. I'm glad the progressives aren't calling themselves liberals anymore.
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Sep 5, 2016 19:38
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Gianthogweed posted:Yes, because those are the only websites that will have their DNS registration taking away. It's totally okay to not have the internet protected by the first amendment. Let's just let governments censor whatever they want so they can push any of their propaganda through unchallenged. I'm sure you'd love it if Trump wins and he can censor any websites that criticize him. are you aware the united states government does not own the internet or the infrastructure with which it is constructed how do you propose we enforce first amendment protections on chinese dns servers
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Sep 5, 2016 19:38
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Blue Train posted:free speech is a conservative viewpoint? wow a lot of liberals are actual fascists minus all martial prowess 
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Blue Train posted:free speech is a conservative viewpoint? wow You now see my dilemma.
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Sep 5, 2016 19:40
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Gianthogweed posted:Because, under international control, free speech on the internet may no longer be protected by the first amendment. wikipedia says icann is based in playa vista california?
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Sep 5, 2016 19:40
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the right of the people to collect sweet pennies for commercials shall not be infringed!!
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Sep 5, 2016 19:44
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Gianthogweed posted:Everything that was once considered a leftist position is now a conservative position. Small government / low taxes / anti-authoritarianism / free speech. All were leftist positions for most of human history until Marxism became a thing. Get used to it. This makes sense when for most of human history conservatism is all about keeping things the way they are and for most of human history "keeping things they say they are" meant monarchies
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Sep 5, 2016 19:44
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Palace of Hate posted:are you aware the united states government does not own the internet or the infrastructure with which it is constructed Yes. This is about handing over DNS control from NTIA to ICANN, a private global entity.
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Sep 5, 2016 19:47
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Business Gorillas posted:This makes sense when for most of human history conservatism is all about keeping things the way they are and for most of human history "keeping things they say they are" meant monarchies And now the new left is advocating a return to absolute monarchies. Or at least emperors that we vote in every 4 years or so.
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Flesh Forge posted:Ted Cruz is the best filter
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Sep 5, 2016 19:50
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Gianthogweed posted:Yes. This is about handing over DNS control from NTIA to ICANN, a private global entity. so you are concerned about the obama zog nwo taking down whichever website you got this conspiracy from?
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Sep 5, 2016 19:52
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I see where 8-bit Scholar is coming from and tbh I don't really disagree with his logic but this is something the free market will handle imo... if YouTube sucks bad enough everyone will just use a competing service no? Google fiddling with search results and poo poo at the request of authorities is a little more disconcerting bc then the state *is* involved in messing with you and then it doesn't matter what service you use because presumably the precedent has been set; the state can enforce cooperation through FISA courts and poo poo.
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Sep 5, 2016 19:54
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Palace of Hate posted:so you are concerned about the obama zog nwo taking down whichever website you got this conspiracy from? They are trying to pass a bill to block this action in congress right now. This isn't a conspiracy theory.
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Sep 5, 2016 19:59
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icantfindaname posted:wikipedia says icann is based in playa vista california? Yes, but it is has an international advisory board. The US contract ends September 30th, after which it will likely fall under UN control.
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Sep 5, 2016 20:02
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Moridin920 posted:but this is something the free market will handle imo 
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Sep 5, 2016 20:03
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Gianthogweed posted:They are trying to pass a bill to block this action in congress right now. This isn't a conspiracy theory. i'm the guy who thinks the wold political-economic system is run by Marxists, instead of a set of elites who have no principles whatsoever except the belief that their own moral and intellecual superiority to the filthy masses entitles them to rule. this is a set of people who are currently in full-scale screaming tantrum mode at anyone they've decided is too far outside the bounds of acceptable opinion, left or right, or who is directly challenging their right to rule icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Sep 5, 2016 |
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Sep 5, 2016 20:05
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Gianthogweed posted:They are trying to pass a bill to block this action in congress right now. This isn't a conspiracy theory. its a conspiracy theory because you postulate that the handover of iana to icann will definitely result in mega censorship of all your favorite right wing rags when there's zero credible basis for that assertion
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Sep 5, 2016 20:07
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icantfindaname posted:i'm the guy who thinks the wold political-economic system is run by Marxists, instead of a set of elites who have no principles whatsoever except the belief that their own moral and intellecual superiority to the filthy masses entitles them to rule, and who are currently in full tantrum-mode that anyone would dare challenge Hillary's right to the office of president Well then you're deluded.
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Sep 5, 2016 20:07
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Palace of Hate posted:its a conspiracy theory because you postulate that the handover of iana to icann will definitely result in mega censorship of all your favorite right wing rags when there's zero credible basis for that assertion An assertion I never made.
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Gianthogweed posted:An assertion I never made. Gianthogweed posted:Yes, because those are the only websites that will have their DNS registration taking away. It's totally okay to not have the internet protected by the first amendment. Let's just let governments censor whatever they want so they can push any of their propaganda through unchallenged. I'm sure you'd love it if Trump wins and he can censor any websites that criticize him.
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