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idonotlikepeas posted:So, being a witch is all about deceiving yourself and others about everything and attempting to maintain those lies in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Check. It actually reminds me of Pans labyrinth. Sometimes a life is bad enough that the only answer is to retreat into delusion and denial.
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ProfessorProf posted:
Thank you so much for explaining that, Professor Ootsuki. I don't know what Ange would do without your incredible expertise.
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"...The message bottle."
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POOL IS CLOSED posted:Battler doesn't seem to have that impression of him, and he's well aware that most of his father's side of the family is nasty. I think part of the theory at this point is that Battler isn't real either. He's Ange's projection of someone on the island trying to solve the murders. Presumably she would have picked him because he's her brother, and neither of the bottles nor the diary implicate him. Basically, not a single thing we've seen really happened. They're just 3 different stories written by probably the murderer about what happened. I don't really like that interpretation. It makes episodes 1-3 pretty pointless.
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Feb 1, 2017 23:52
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I don't think Ange is an exceptionally rational viewpoint. She's been abused for most of her life and retreated into Maria's diary the same way Maria herself retreated into the occult. Also, I'm kind of annoyed that Beatrice took a pretty adorable lion toy and turned it into a meh catboy wearing lame clothes. Sakutaro, you were so much better before. Oh, and why is giving someone tea a metaphor for torture and/or murder? Is this a standard Yakuza thing, or are the Sumaderas just weirdos?
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Feb 2, 2017 20:09
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If we're looking at witch power as the creation of imaginary friends, then there's another candidate - Battler himself. Sure, it currently seems like meta battler is a construct of Ange, but if he isn't then the Battler-Beato contest could be something Battler is doing himself. He's combining a few things in it - the desire to solve these cases, the desire for no one in his family or their servants to be guilty, and the realization that yes, yes they are. So he uses his amazing witchy powers to create a more objective more knowledgable version of himself and an enemy - an enemy who lets him approach the idea that someone he knows is guilty at an angle, without needing to immediately face the truth. An enemy who takes the form of Beatrice, the "19th person" of the island, which is the idea he's truly trying to defeat. And that's why the whole thing is framed as denying witches rather than straight up solving the crimes - he's got a lot of cognitive dissonance going on. After all, just because you can create an imaginary friend doesn't mean you'll create a nice one.
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Feb 6, 2017 07:58
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Yeah, this part of the game definitely has pacing issues. This entire update did, well, very little. It's Ange realizing that the only one who decides if she's happy is Ange, which is not entirely accurate and not that important.
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Feb 11, 2017 06:43
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That was pretty goofy. "This world is but a twisted place in which you exist to kill or be killed! " Undertale/Umineko crossover confirmed. Obviously MARIA is the fallen child and anime is real.
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Feb 15, 2017 01:21
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So all of this speculation and theorizing is great and interesting, but it seems like it's missing the true power of blue text: we (and Battler) don't need to know why something is true. We don't need to know all of the details of it (though we want to eventually). We just need to say it in blue and Beatrice has to counter it. And the blue texts can contradict each other - only one needs to make it. So to start: Kinzo was dead before the events on Rokkenjima Kinzo was Beatrice Shannon was Beatrice A decent start, but we can do better. We don't need to be nearly so specific. I'm going to use <18 names> to mean "Battler, Kinzo, Shannon, George, ..." including all 18 that we believe are on the island. At least one of <18 names> was dead before the events on Rokkenjima At least one of <18 names> was Beatrice There was at least one living human on Rokkenjima besides <18 names> during these events One or more of <18 names> was not a living human on Rokkenjima during these events Some living human on Rokkenjima during these events had more than one of <18 names> as their name At least one of <18 names> was the name of more than one living human on Rokkenjima during these events Those last two could be a fun answer - back in part 3 when we had "Genji is dead. Kinzo is dead.", it could have been that Genji's middle name or nickname or real name was Kinzo, and one person being dead was covered by both sentences. Although really, given the rules for blue text this is all much, much too complicated. All it needs to be is something that denies witches, and she has to respond in red. So we could use: Every human who died on Rokkenjima during these events was killed by a human or accident Or we could trivialize the whole thing and skip straight to the end: Witches aren't real Seriously, according to the rules of the blue text Beatrice has to counter that last one with red. And if she's able to say in red that witches are real then, well, that's game, but there isn't a way to beat that if she can do it. Qrr fucked around with this message at 11:03 on Feb 15, 2017 |
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Feb 15, 2017 11:00
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I did - which did I violate? I wonder how this update will turn into a closed room, especially since we will apparently have 5 missing people. Also, if any of the 5 missing people turn up dead later it would be easy to believe that they were killed at this meeting but the bodies were moved so that the epitaph was kept intact. Kumasawa and Gohda are presumably going to run to the kids and babble about Kinzo killing a bunch of people, but they are hardly reliable witnesses. Kumasawa is a strong candidate for accomplice, and while Gohda is less likely to be an accomplice he would be easier to intimidate or confuse.
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Feb 15, 2017 20:19
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oath2order posted:I just had to double check, but Beato's red about no other life forms other than humans says absolutely not a thing about ROBOTS . Ah, so Beatrice is 3 chimp robots in a dress. Excellent - it was a true tragedy when that theory was slain by the red.
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Feb 15, 2017 23:24
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Hmm, so Kyrie remembers seeing the golden light and the pit traps. But none of them mentioned it on the phone, so if everyone in the dungeon dies then this could still just be made up, even Kyrie's inner thoughts.
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Feb 20, 2017 05:20
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CottonWolf posted:I'd just assumed it was all the magic people. Play as any of 4 different magic rabbit guns! Feel the power of a demon butler! Be whatever the heck Gaap is! Or play as a completely generic goatman.
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Feb 26, 2017 00:17
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SardonicTyrant posted:Well, there is no reason to assume the mansion doors change each game, so we can assume the Red statements about the mansion doors are true across worlds. The same would apply to the master keys, Kuwadorian mansion, etc. The master key number almost certainly wasnt true in the first episode, since Beatrice said she was reducing it. I don't think we have any reason to believe that red text carries across episodes. The events in each are different.
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Feb 26, 2017 21:03
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The death flags were great. Also, Krauss once again demonstrates his astounding business acumen when he hears about a 1 in 10000 chance and thinks "I would totally bet on that". You just know that Krauss's room is full of hundreds of losing lottery tickets, but it's ok because this next one will totally make up for it.
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Feb 28, 2017 23:46
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Meta Battler continues to not use the blue text. On the other hand, Beato hasn't really presented him with anything that requires magic aside from fictional accounts and scripted phone calls. I actually wonder if that's her plan - give him a tool to argue back with, and then don't give him anything to argue about. Sort of similar to her refusing to use the red. Especially with how the blue works now, if she provides a puzzle with one solution then he has to find out that solution and say it in blue. If she provides a puzzle with a thousand solutions, he has to figure out the right one. Instead of hiding a needle in a haystack she hides a needle in a needle stack. Also in this entire chapter I don't think we have solid evidence that a single person has died yet. We have Kumasawa and Gohda, who aren't reliable, and we have phone calls, which are definitely not reliable. Presumably the survivors will find some bodies in locked rooms soon. Oh, and Gohda and Kumasawa could totally be accomplices here. Their setup means they could give someone the key, that someone unlocks the shed, they do whatever it is they want to do, and then they get locked back in again and get the key back. I think it'd be kind of funny to look at other video games with the same attitude as we look at Umineko when we assume magic isn't real. Or books. Like, when Gandalf fights the Balrog and breaks the bridge it's a metaphor for some heavily armored dude getting tackled off a bridge by an old guy in a gray robe. Qrr fucked around with this message at 09:46 on Mar 2, 2017 |
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Mar 2, 2017 09:37
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EagerSleeper posted:Not pictured: Beatrice as a spike-ridden red sponge, and Battler standing on a box to reach up there. It makes me wonder what the next 4 chapters will be about. We'll see when we get there.
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Mar 13, 2017 08:39
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Alopex posted:If magic isn't real then how did I get this delicious marshmallowpumpkin?? It was delivered to you when the 18th person X set it gently into trap X (which I won't explain further because devils proof). But I recommend against eating it because it's filled with small bombs. Alternatively, Kanon just handed it to you while wearing a dress and speaking in a falsetto voice.
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By the way, I like how Lambadelta is really good at math and absolutely terrible at connecting it to the real world. She threatens to trap Bern in a castle with 30 foot walls, and Bern offers to make the castles area much larger at the cost of reducing the walls to 1/10th height. So while Lambadelta is busy dreaming of how long Bern will be trapped, Bern is escaping with a small hop. Although generally people in this game are awfully fond of and good at multiplication. See Kyries jealousy and the saga of Goat-kun. The real magic was inside a calculator all along!
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