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I'm just saying the Vaulters probably don't live there anymore, given that winter won out in the end.
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I think that before ES2 was a thing, the 'canonical' end to EL was Vaulter's quest victory. There's a lot of art for the game with humans, so I'd actually think we might see two human majors, plus probably the Vaulters and Horatio as minors. Otherwise the most awesome piece of art wouldn't make sense  Darkrenown posted:I'm playing some EL for the first time since not enjoying it at release: Can I not build districts over ruins? It's rather annoying since they are blocking the direct route to a sweet tile. Yeah ruins and minor villages are permanent, or at least last longer than the game does. Hopefully you're enjoying it more now, it didn't click for me at first but it's become my favorite 4x. IAmTheRad posted:I already got Endless Space 2. I'm enjoying it even while it's an unfinished early access game.  Darkrenown is pretty invested in Stellaris.
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I'm sorta enjoying it this time around, but it hasn't quite clicked yet. Broken lords might not have been the best first game choice either, but they looked the coolest. Basically I am running around killing minor factions and spending much of my Dust healing instead of making population.
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Yeah my only problem with starting as the Broken Lords is when I changed race. Now food is a thing?!
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The humans in all the art so far look like they could come from a setting that's not far removed from us today. They all wear leather jackets, jumpsuits and generally don't have anything that could suggest which faction they would belong to which makes guessing a lot harder. If they were from any of the ES1 factions you'd expect them to appear more martial. You can also tell that a lot of population interactions don't work correctly right now or aren't implemented at all. Cravers don't kill off other pops and if you conquer them there's no way to avoid them depleting your planets, which could get very annoying if they spread around your other systems. Elections are also a little bugged, what with my Sophon scientists losing a vote by 70% to the pacifists in the first election.
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Oct 9, 2016 16:52
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Demiurge4 posted:Cravers don't kill off other pops and if you conquer them there's no way to avoid them depleting your planets, which could get very annoying if they spread around your other systems. 
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Demiurge4 posted:The humans in all the art so far look like they could come from a setting that's not far removed from us today. They all wear leather jackets, jumpsuits and generally don't have anything that could suggest which faction they would belong to which makes guessing a lot harder. If they were from any of the ES1 factions you'd expect them to appear more martial. Amplitude's said to not use the art to guess at future factions. They use humans a lot as filler.
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Well, they also use humans in the Craver load screen. We can guess at future factions. There is one known for certain. The other 3 are still a mystery, but probably not for Amplitude.
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Tulip posted:I think that before ES2 was a thing, the 'canonical' end to EL was Vaulter's quest victory. Am I going crazy, or did you flip this image horizontally for some reason? I could swear that when I saw this as a loading screen, it was going the other way.
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Tanith posted:Am I going crazy, or did you flip this image horizontally for some reason? I could swear that when I saw this as a loading screen, it was going the other way. It's been flipped for some reason. It's bay 60. Not bay a0
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Darkrenown posted:I'm sorta enjoying it this time around, but it hasn't quite clicked yet. Broken lords might not have been the best first game choice either, but they looked the coolest. Basically I am running around killing minor factions and spending much of my Dust healing instead of making population. A lot of people suggest them for a first faction and I've never felt like it was good advice. You can get yourself trapped into a low-dust dust death spiral and the ROI on population spending is nonobvious. They used to play super tall but now they're probably the widest-playing faction, which means happiness can be a challenge. Plus you never learn about using food. Drakken is probably the best to start, for learning principles. They start with a really good starting tech (Language Square), ruins are a bonus tile so that makes settling a little more forgiving, they suffer less from falling behind in tech, and they have a get-out-of-war card. Tanith posted:Am I going crazy, or did you flip this image horizontally for some reason? I could swear that when I saw this as a loading screen, it was going the other way. Yeah I found that image on the Wiki where they seem to have flipped it. Good catch though, I couldn't read that without really squinting. IAmTheRad posted:It's been flipped for some reason. It's bay 60. Not bay a0 Bay 06  Some cravers peacefully moved into my empire and I am not happy about it.
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Mokinokaro posted:Amplitude's said to not use the art to guess at future factions. They use humans a lot as filler. It wouldn't bother me if Humanity ended up a minor faction of "abundant people but no central empire following the collapse of <BLANK>." Of course, I'd rather the Empire return because they had a sweet Dune / Sardaukar vibe going on. 
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Darkrenown posted:I'm playing some EL for the first time since not enjoying it at release: Can I not build districts over ruins? It's rather annoying since they are blocking the direct route to a sweet tile. On this note - does Endless Legend add anything in free patches paradox-style, or is all the new content locked behind buying expansions? I have the base game but no DLC, and it's good but not great. I'd like to see if it's a bit better now (and maybe from that point lay down the money for the DLC) but I'm not paying $45 just to try it out.
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For multiplayer only one person needs the dlc and it's on for everyone. I believe all the expansions are just factions and you get balance changes for free.
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Prop Wash posted:On this note - does Endless Legend add anything in free patches paradox-style, or is all the new content locked behind buying expansions? I have the base game but no DLC, and it's good but not great. I'd like to see if it's a bit better now (and maybe from that point lay down the money for the DLC) but I'm not paying $45 just to try it out. There's been quite a few AI and diplomacy improvements but most features are indeed limited to the expansions. Also Amplitude has said one unknown ES2 major is humans of some type.
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Prop Wash posted:On this note - does Endless Legend add anything in free patches paradox-style, or is all the new content locked behind buying expansions? I have the base game but no DLC, and it's good but not great. I'd like to see if it's a bit better now (and maybe from that point lay down the money for the DLC) but I'm not paying $45 just to try it out. Just wait a bit, I would be extremely surprised if they didn't go on sale sometime this week. Also BTW Tempest is up for preorder at 25% off right now.
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Gwyrgyn Blood posted:Just wait a bit, I would be extremely surprised if they didn't go on sale sometime this week. Thx for the heada up
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Mokinokaro posted:There's been quite a few AI and diplomacy improvements but most features are indeed limited to the expansions. As much of a human supremacist as I am, it would have been funny to see humans be plentiful but unimportant and mostly ignored/enslaved by the other far more advanced races. (I'm looking at you, Vodyani Matrix-esque loading screen.) Of course, I'm still rooting for Vaulters.
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Looking at EL Tempest, the new Morgwr race's description mentions they want more than just the planet, so perhaps we'll see them in ES2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C0YieQmeKE
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Darkrenown posted:Looking at EL Tempest, the new Morgwr race's description mentions they want more than just the planet, so perhaps we'll see them in ES2. Actually, that's kind of a running theme for EL races. The Vaulters' questline is to build a ship, the Cult mentions taking their crusade beyond Auriga, the Necrophages say that when they've eaten everything on Auriga, they'll "look to the stars, still hungry", etc.
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Avasculous posted:Actually, that's kind of a running theme for EL races. Yeah, they all have ambitions bigger than the world they're on. Which is good, since everyone knows the world is going to freeze to death.
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Except for the Forgotten, who'll just sit on a dying planet, recounting all the wedgies they pulled on Vaulters. 
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New EL achievements, from reddit Curious about the highlighted one. Win while in an alliance? Demiurge4 posted:Aren't the Mogwr basically the weird hosed up dudes you fight in Dungeon of the Endless? Looking at the enemies they're all either minor factions, necrophage or chimera. Chimera zombie maybe?
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Is co-op a thing in EL's multiplayer? Maybe that's what it refers to, or they're adding it / it's a Morgawr win condition.
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I played a game as Sophons and I was always so broke. Their science is nice, but I was always struggling to make ends meet for a fleet of 3 attackers and a hero. Pacifists won the senate and never let go. The Lumeris are really fun though. I enjoyed playing them a lot.
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HiKaizer posted:I played a game as Sophons and I was always so broke. Their science is nice, but I was always struggling to make ends meet for a fleet of 3 attackers and a hero. Pacifists won the senate and never let go. Isn't one of the pacifist laws something like +20% to dust from trade? Dust generation seems like it's their thing.
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I didn't have enough influence as I'd just assimilated the gas giant science minor race. Unless it's the default law in which case it helped me a little but ship expenses seemed to overwhelm my tiny and fragile economy. I don't know if I just colonised poorly though.
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HiKaizer posted:I didn't have enough influence as I'd just assimilated the gas giant science minor race. Unless it's the default law in which case it helped me a little but ship expenses seemed to overwhelm my tiny and fragile economy. I don't know if I just colonised poorly though. The Pacifist default law is -25% cost to all interactions with minor factions. And yeah, managing your dust and happiness seems way more important in this game, at least until they tweak the balance. Even a small fleet will chew through your resources, and often you're better off building nothing than a new ship or improvement which will just siphon your money.
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Are there any techs that let you convert industry to anything else this time around? I hate leaving my queues empty...
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Oct 10, 2016 12:47
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Must have overlooked it while beelining for military techs for ENFER. Would definitely have helped me though, had some great industry planets towards the end.
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Siphons have the fun ability to research era 2 techs from the start. Sadly they don't seem to actually get the T2 weapons from the tech until you actually progress to that era so no crazy Sophon war supremacy from turn 3. That said I'm gonna try getting the T2 ships and see how they fare against a craver AI in era 1.
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I really do wish there was a "Produce Science / Money" build option for systems, like there is in Civ. I don't relish getting the popup that I have an empty queue every time I hit next turn.
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Max posted:I really do wish there was a "Produce Science / Money" build option for systems, like there is in Civ. I don't relish getting the popup that I have an empty queue every time I hit next turn. There is, you just have to research it. Just like you have to research every other basic function in this game. Personally, I feel like it's a problem: too many fundamental game systems are gated by research. You can't even do basic diplomacy until tier 2.
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Demiurge4 posted:Siphons have the fun ability to research era 2 techs from the start. Sadly they don't seem to actually get the T2 weapons from the tech until you actually progress to that era so no crazy Sophon war supremacy from turn 3. That said I'm gonna try getting the T2 ships and see how they fare against a craver AI in era 1. I lost a battle before my first election which helped push the pacifists to a majority and take that law away from me 
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It's a design choice. Endless legend does it too. I think the rationale is to make the early game feel like the exploration phase and era 2 is the beginning of the space history where borders have been established and conflict erupts (hence why invasions are gated behind and era 2 tech). The pacing of the game doesn't really support it though. I run out of things to build and do only halfway through era 1 right now. But it's clear to me that the eras are supposed to represent a few hundred years of progress.
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