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redreader
Nov 2, 2009

I am the coolest person ever with my pirate chalice. Seriously.

Dinosaur Gum
Hi. I loved DotE and liked endless legend (good but a bit boring, but still got my money's worth) and hated civ 6, and found stellaris a bit 'meh', on release week.

Is this game good? (endless space 2)

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redreader
Nov 2, 2009

I am the coolest person ever with my pirate chalice. Seriously.

Dinosaur Gum
Thanks! I appreciate it. What race should I start with? I just bought it.

redreader
Nov 2, 2009

I am the coolest person ever with my pirate chalice. Seriously.

Dinosaur Gum
I got bored of endless legend and couldn't get into endless space 2, but I really liked the setting. Dungeon of the Endless is amazing, though. I've got a ton of fun out of that game

redreader
Nov 2, 2009

I am the coolest person ever with my pirate chalice. Seriously.

Dinosaur Gum
I played the endless dungeon beta and did multiplayer with two friends, which made it hard mode, which I don't recommend to start with. I'm playing it single player now, it's easier with my knowledge from the beta.

I'm enjoying it! It seems about the same now as the beta, with more characters available and more areas. I played it for about ten hours during the beta period and "beat" it, the last few levels weren't implemented and one of about three paths weren't available. Endless dungeon and dungeon of the endless are the only good endless games imo.

redreader
Nov 2, 2009

I am the coolest person ever with my pirate chalice. Seriously.

Dinosaur Gum
it's a twin stick shooter, and if you expect that to mean it's helldivers, you'll be disappointed. The game is also very tactical: you have to place both of your people correctly before each wave. I like that the AI is not very likely to die before you: it's happened once or twice but generally since I'm playing the one character who's doing all of the opening and leaving the AI character at a choke point, I'm taking more of the risks myself.

You need to be keeping an eye on the wave timer, when it says danger with high spikes you need to figure out what you need to protect: your crystal bot at all times, but until the end of the level you also need to protect your generators. So you need to decide where everyone goes and make sure they're in the right place for each wave, and THEN yes sometimes you just hold down shoot but other times you need to be doing stuff like escorting the bot as it goes from one spot to another. All that to say that shooting is some of the gameplay but not all!

I've opened up most of the areas at this point and not managed to get to the core. one time I think I could have gone but I tried getting a bot upgrade instead and died in that wave. I've managed to get (I think?) 2 of the 'core decryption keys' or something, but I'm not really sure what that's all about. It should be easy once I've earned a bunch of gun and character upgrades, my crystal bot is maxed out now with some of the best available upgrades, and my 2 mains zed and bunker are both on 2 or 3 chips too. I just need to upgrade a bunch of guns, not there yet.

redreader
Nov 2, 2009

I am the coolest person ever with my pirate chalice. Seriously.

Dinosaur Gum
Double post: anyone who wants to play on steam this evening, add me and send a steam message too.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/qqqaaazzz/

redreader
Nov 2, 2009

I am the coolest person ever with my pirate chalice. Seriously.

Dinosaur Gum
I got to the core today and on that run undid the final core security measure (-4 industry power door) for next time. Who are your top heroes? I liked bunker in the beta but now I don't: low support, low attack, high toughness? I want to be able to kill monsters, not survive their hits. On the other hand, the bunker super ability could have been very helpful many times: attracts all monsters and becomes invulnerable? Use that then switch to another character as a last ditch measure.

Zed is top tier, I'm also enjoying the turret guy and the cleaner. I have a hard time remembering to use the special abilities. For the turret guy, at one point the turrets he deployed were destroyed and they didn't repair at the end of the wave, does anyone know what's up with that? Turret guy can repair generators by hitting them, nobody else can so that makes him great.

The best thing to do with your chips at the start is to use them on the crystal bot, buy the cheapest chips for your guys (stick to Zed and another character at the start until you've unlocked all three chips for both), then concentrate on the weapons and remember which ones you've upgraded and use those. Upgrade the default weapons for the characters that you use first, the elemental weapons aren't always better. Keep your default weapon on you too because the best weapons are upgraded ones, and the default weapon has no element type so will work equally well on all monsters, so since it's upgraded it will work very well, and equally on all monster types. I'm loving this, it's a top game for me this year.

redreader
Nov 2, 2009

I am the coolest person ever with my pirate chalice. Seriously.

Dinosaur Gum
I figured out after dying in the core once or twice that the main thing that really matters is offensive power. To that end I pick all of the +science/food crystal bot upgrades, and any time a hero gets the insane level up option of something like: "+10% attack and defense to all heroes and crystal bot" (not sure exactly what it is, but something similar), I pick that. I also pick any hero skill that's +attack or rate of fire, especially for the heroes who are supposed to be doing damage. I also try to get the long distance light turret, and the acid sniper turret fully levelled or at least to l2. That way any time there's a slot that's out of range, I just put one of those in.

I found out that in the beta, having 2 characters was 'normal mode' and 3 was 'hard mode' so I didn't want to use 3 characters. I was getting to the core with 2. When I unlocked the 3rd slot and decided to just go with it, I noticed that they'd ditched that difficulty bump and it seems to be just as hard/easy with 3 characters, except now you have an extra guy. I got to the core with 340 industry and just put turrets EVERYWHERE (on normal). The only 'disadvantage' of 3 characters is that you have to split the food among them.

Here's what I did to get that much:

1: if you have the turret guy (comrade?), the first room you find with monsters, stick his turrets down and leave him there. only move him if you have to
2: always choose industry first. In the first map I choose industry and something else. all other maps after that one I choose industry, then industry, then some other generator.
3: for the first floor, just use 2 turrets per spawner. Have someone in the room with the crystal bot or at least a turret next to the bot.
4: comrade can heal any generators that get damaged so you need to be ok with generators getting damaged! you also need to worry about them less as the floor goes on: if a generator gets destroyed when 15 doors are left to open, you lost 4x15 of the resource. if it is destroyed when there are no doors left, who cares!
5: if there are two monster spawners far from any generators or crystal bot, put the turrets down in a chokepoint where they can be used against both hordes, and definitely put a support hero there.

I didn't even play optimally. I'm sure it's possible to get to the core with 500 or so industry on normal. I will say 350 is probably overkill, I entered the final room and put turrets everywhere, and had about 150 industry left.

redreader fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Oct 22, 2023

redreader
Nov 2, 2009

I am the coolest person ever with my pirate chalice. Seriously.

Dinosaur Gum
Is there a true ending or anything like that?

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redreader
Nov 2, 2009

I am the coolest person ever with my pirate chalice. Seriously.

Dinosaur Gum

Torrannor posted:

I don't have the game, is the dungeon located anywhere we know?

No. It's a new location made for the game with plot attached.

I haven't gone back to the game after finishing it but I did play 15 hours on beta and about 15 more on release, so I liked it.

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