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Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

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Plinkey posted:

The thing that amazes me the most about this, is that it seems like freep was running on a single server, with only one hard drive in a dusty server farm in San Jose because they wanted to rent/own their own server space and maintain it themselves, even with raid they would have been back up by now and I can't even imagine what 'one' of their servers going down means. Was it the only one?

All that for 140k a year?

e: wait it's like 100K a quarter isnt it?

The Freep-a-Thon last year raised 90k per quarter. It was about 350k for the whole year.

This might be outdated, but in 2009 or so Jimrob was getting a lot of flack and posted the budget breakdown for Freep. About 90% of it went to Jimrob and his family and the other 10% still had extremely suspicious amounts for things that went to Jimrob and his family like "Travel" and "taxes."

The breakdown was:

JimRob - 140k for administration
John - 110k for "programming" and maintenance.
Ann (John's Wife and JimRob's daughter-in-law) - 25k for clerical services.
Hosting Costs and Server Storage Fees - 35k
"Taxes" - 25k
Travel (for appearances at Tea Party and Tax Day rallies in 2009) - 14k
Legal Fees - 18k
Security Monitoring Software - 12k

Total: 379k

I think Freep was more profitable back in 2009, but Jimrob has steadfastly refused to itemize costs ever again (that I am aware of) since then and just started zotting people who ask why hosting costs so much.

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Smeep posted:

The taxes, not the legal fees, is what caught my eye. I don't know. I have an S-Corp and it seemed odd to me, but he could be an LLC or a self-proprietor for all I know.

It's more likely that the figures JimRob released were bullshit and he was finding ways to re-catagorize money that he and his family took to prove that Freep "needs" 379k a year to keep running.

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Captain_Maclaine posted:

Their knowledge of Thermopylae begins and ends with the movie version of 300.

They all die in the movie too.

Leon Trotsky 2012
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Bogan King posted:


It's quite possible the attacks were designed to help her with the strong defence talk that Tory's love so much but given everything else she's done that didn't actually stick at all. It would be kind of :unsmith: if it actually worked against the attackers goals rather than for it.

Who do you think designed the attacks to help May?

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Head North posted:

I sometimes imagine that people who say this are stricken with dementia in their old age and witness a literal blasted hellscape when they peer through their closed blinds, evidence of eight years of catastrophic, liberal policies.

2009, the very year Barack Hussein Obama took office, was one of the worst years for the U.S. economy in half a century. Tens of millions of people were unemployed, the U.S. economy lost $2 Trillion of value, and the uninsured rate was over 20%.

:smug:

Leon Trotsky 2012
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Head North posted:

Those things are certainly horrible, but I'm more concerned about the inescapable wailing of Christian babies, beset on all sides by ravenous hordes of atheist, transgender, Muslim abortion doctors. :cry:

Both of those things happened in 2009 when Obama was inaugurated. All your bases are covered.

Morals and economy destroyed.

Leon Trotsky 2012
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The problem is that the left has become a mirror-image of the right. Both of them are too extreme and full of people who will become murderers if given a chance.

Normal people don't care about politics enough to kill someone over it.

Republicans will kill to protect their corporate overlords.

Democrats will kill to increase government control/power and enrich their favorite union bosses and industries.

Leon Trotsky 2012
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Fathis Munk posted:

Source your quotes.

https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/sta...-snoop-d-256794

https://twitter.com/ScottPresler/st...-snoop-d-256794

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Flowers For Algeria posted:

The hottest of takes.

The gun is not the problem here...why does everyone turn it in to that? The hate for the GOP was clearly the problem today. A man walked up to Rep DeSantis (Republican from FL) and asked if it was Reps or Dems and then 3 minutes later the shooting began. Coincidence? Probably not.

If it were democrats on the baseball field, no one would be injured right now.

Leon Trotsky 2012
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Alter Ego posted:

The guy who asked whether they were Republicans or Democrats wasn't the guy who did the shooting.


https://twitter.com/carlquintanilla...agenumber%3D671

Leon Trotsky 2012
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Uncle Ulty posted:

I love the one Freeper yelling about the 'stolen' NH race. Kelly Ayotte was a garbage Senator and nobody in the state liked her. Anyone who claims the race was stolen never spent any time here or ever spoke with literally anyone from the state.

At least 48% of New Hampshire did.

Leon Trotsky 2012
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Imagine how sad your life has to be to legitimately believe that the rapture is happening in 49 days and choosing to spend that time commenting on FreeRepublic.com.

Leon Trotsky 2012
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Cracker Barrel is deeply confusing to me.

I don't understand the appeal of going to restaurant and paying $14 for the most generic food ever.

Their menu is literally: Ham sandwich, Eggs, Chicken Tenders, BLT, Hamburger, meatloaf, sirloin, Roast Beef with gravy, fried catfish, and Turkey with gravy.

They have a very small menu with the cheapest/easiest food possible to make at home, but the costs are higher than every other chain restaurant.

Their BLT is literally two pieces of white bread, 2 pieces of bacon, 2 slices of tomato, and a lettuce leaf. It costs 13 dollars.

You can get generic and bland food for much cheaper almost anywhere. Or you can get much better food for the same price or less.

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Feinne posted:

I think the holocaust museum shooter was in fact a freeper yes.

They deleted all his posts and decided, "Hmm... this guy posts on Freep for 5 years, says the same things that we say, and then goes on a shooting spree? A little too convenient. Lib false flag."

They also had a sprinkling of "Not a conservative, because liberals are the ones that hate Israel/Jews."

Leon Trotsky 2012
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chitoryu12 posted:

Paul Manafort just got raided by the FBI.

Who's going to demand civil war next?

It actually happened last month, but news about it is just coming out now.

Freep's opinion is that Manafort is part of the GOP establishment and/or NWO and is trying to make money or bring Trump down.

Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Aug 9, 2017

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I wonder what it's like to be someone who "worshiped" Jeff Sessions for years, but is blindsided by the fact that he is anti-pot.

Leon Trotsky 2012
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The Deep State Agents in the Alabama Judiciary in 2003 have been gunning for Roy Moore for decades - lol

Leon Trotsky 2012
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I want to know what that one Freeper thinks capitalism is and what he saw in Iraq in 2003-2006 that made him think that it was an example of capitalism.

This was the period where they were literally flying in planes of physical American dollars because the Iraqi currency was now worthless and anyone who had a successful business outside of the green zone was immediately murdered or extorted.

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Zipperelli. posted:

Not quite. An undercover cop doesn't have to threaten you, all they have to do is offer the drugs, and this would immediately constitute entrapment. There's no clause that says you need to feel pressured or forced.

For example: I'm walking down the street and a UC whispers asking me if I want some weed or crack or whathaveyou. Just by offering, that constitutes entrapment. Now, if I had walked up and asked for drugs unprompted, that wouldn't be entrapment.

Nope.

Offering or requesting drugs and someone accepting is literally a textbook example of what they use as the "non entrapment" example in legal books.

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Mary-Anne Berry is charged with selling illegal drugs to an undercover police officer. Berry testifies that the drugs were for her personal use and that the reason she sold some to the officer is that at a party, the officer falsely said that she wanted some drugs for her mom, who was in a lot of pain. According to Berry, the officer even assured Berry that she wasn't a cop and wasn't setting Berry up. The police officer's actions do not amount to entrapment. Police officers are allowed to tell lies. The officer gave Berry an opportunity to break the law, but the officer did not engage in extreme or overbearing behavior.

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ToxicSlurpee posted:

In theory entrapment is basically any encouragement from the authorities to commit a crime. I'm not a lawyer but my understanding of it is that if the police encourage somebody to, say, buy drugs from them then that doesn't necessarily mean that that person is the type to buy drugs normally. It might very well be their first time but they've had a lovely day and well gently caress, I'll try a couple Vicodins. Maybe that'll calm me down. A police officer actively trying to sell drugs is literally entrapment.

No.

It was already covered up thread. Entrapment can only occur is the defendant is forced into committing a crime against their will through coercive means after initially declining to participate in a crime.

- A police officer actively trying to sell drugs.

Not entrapment.

- A police officer actively trying to sell drugs, a person says, "No, thanks." A police officer says, "C'mon, just do it." The person says, "Okay."

Not entrapment.

- A police officer actively trying to sell drugs, a person says, "No, thanks." and goes inside. The police officer knocks on his door and tells the person that he needs to sell these drugs to get money to visit his dying mom and won't leave until the person buys them. The person says, "Okay, I'll buy it. Just go away."

Entrapment.

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ToxicSlurpee posted:

Those things should be entrapment for the reasons I stated; it's entirely possible that the person would normally not be the kind of person to buy drugs but suddenly decide to. Or they might mishear the police officer or be a total pushover who just does whatever other people say. It should be entrapment. The fact that it isn't considered entrapment by America's legal system is a serious problem.

They aren't considered entrapment by any legal system.

If that was the standard, then all undercover investigations would be impossible to prosecute.

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ToxicSlurpee posted:

That just plain isn't true. Sting operations still exist and that isn't entrapment; that's catching people in the act. Undercover investigations that involve infiltrating already ongoing criminal activity also have literally nothing to do with entrapment. If people are already actively committing a crime then you can't entrap them.

Being part of an undercover investigation almost always involves facilitation or encouragement of a crime. That is why we have statutes specifically limiting liability in those incidents.

Facilitating a crime by asking someone if they want to commit a crime is not entrapment in any legal system. If the police put up an ad for a hit-man and someone calls it to order a hit they were not entrapped into committing a crime. If a cop walked down the street with a billboard advertising their services as a prostitute and someone tried to pick them up, then they were not entrapped. Asking someone if they want to commit a crime or even advertising a crime is not coercive in any way. If just creating the opportunity invalidated a crime, that would be a radical departure from every legal system in the modern world.

It is not a "serious problem" of the American legal system.

ToxicSlurpee posted:

Those things should be entrapment for the reasons I stated; it's entirely possible that the person would normally not be the kind of person to buy drugs but suddenly decide to. Or they might mishear the police officer or be a total pushover who just does whatever other people say. It should be entrapment. The fact that it isn't considered entrapment by America's legal system is a serious problem.

"Your honor, I have literally never ordered a hit on my husband until I got caught in that police sting operation."

Judge: She's right. Case dismissed.

Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Apr 22, 2018

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ToxicSlurpee posted:

"Ma'am, we have here several text messages you sent asking if somebody knew how to have somebody murdered. Several other witnesses also indicate that you had asked how hard it was to have somebody killed. It is clear that you were actively seeking the services of a hitman; it is lucky that you contacted the police officer before a legitimate hitman. You stood to gain millions of dollars on the death of your husband and stated that if he wasn't wealthy you would have divorced him years ago. It seems to the court that you were actively seeking the death of your husband for financial reasons."

You said:

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Those things should be entrapment for the reasons I stated; it's entirely possible that the person would normally not be the kind of person to buy drugs but suddenly decide to. Or they might mishear the police officer or be a total pushover who just does whatever other people say. It should be entrapment. The fact that it isn't considered entrapment by America's legal system is a serious problem.

In the scenario where the police put a phone number up advertising a hit-man and someone calls it, but has no other evidence that they were soliciting hit-men other than calling the police sting number, then that is entrapment under your rules.

Not to mention the several other posts already addressing your misconceptions about entrapment laws everywhere outside of the U.S.

Or the absurdity of saying peer pressure should be a reason to dismiss criminal charges.

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Spangly A posted:

Jacobson, 1992

those of you that think it's ok for cops to run around committing crimes over low level drug busts are sick in the head and don't seem to realise that the supreme court has been dissenting on this point ever since entrapment was recognised

Lol, if you think that:

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White, reiterating what he had written in Ferber, acknowledged that child pornography was a social evil and that the government could use undercover investigations to enforce laws against it. After reviewing the previous cases on entrapment, he said that the more than two years in which investigators had tried to get Jacobson to buy various child-porn offerings had suggested he did not have a predisposition to do so.

Is the same as saying, "C'mon, it's fine."

Jacobson's case was entrapment because he said, "No." to committing a crime every single time for 2 and half years to the same investigation, before eventually deciding to do it.

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MANime in the sheets posted:

That's interesting, I didn't know that. And I'm not sure I agree that a pardon should be an admission of guilt. As the FReeper says, they are used (very occasionally) when the justice system fails and an innocent person is locked up. You shouldn't have to admit (implied or otherwise) that you did something you didn't do just to be released.

I'm not sure how much it matters though, we really don't need the courts hearing cases where the defendant is facing no penalties and just wants to clear his name. Things are slow enough as it is.

There is a process called expungement, which erases a conviction from your record.

Many states have a process where you can seek expungement after a pardon to fully remove it from your record.

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My favorite Freep posts are the ones where two subjects of their paranoia/worship are conflicting.

Pot vs. Big Pharma being responsible for school shootings.

Black people owning guns vs. 2nd Amendment

Religion is the moral foundation of life vs. Churches being pro-immigrant

Electric Cars/Tesla vs. Environmentalism is a scam

Religious Freedom vs. Jewish/Hindu/other religion engaging in behavior that they don't like (Muslims and Atheists are too easy)

Trump reverses one of his core beliefs vs. Trump literally can't do wrong.

Leon Trotsky 2012
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VitalSigns posted:

Don't forget No Government Handouts vs. I Deserve My Medicare, those are always entertaining threads

I also enjoyed the Net Neutrality threads where 99% of Freepers thought that it was "the fairness doctrine for the internet" or "Obama did it, therefore evil," but there were one or two pro-NN freepers desperately trying to educate the others about what Net Neutrality actually is. Despite seeing it written plainly in front of them, and even coming from a fellow Freeper, they all still refused to believe it.

Then, they spent pages worrying about Facebook censoring their 1st Amendment rights and advocating laws to ban ISPs from blocking Breitbart.

Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 22:06 on May 29, 2018

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For some reason, it's the little things about Freep that I really enjoy.

I smiled at the guy who thought that Mitt Romney and John McCain were designated losers who were colluding with the Democratic Party to establish a fiction to legitimize the usurpation of the United States by a Kenyan agent, including massive financial collusion between the two political parties and fabricating/rigging the vote in dozens of states, but also accepts that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote in 2016.

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It's a little more complicated, but the short Trotskyism -> Neoconservatism line (other than many former Trots becoming Neocons) is basically this:

The central tenet of Trotskyism is the idea of a "permanent revolution," which explained how countries without advanced capitalism/industry (because a central tenet of Marx's original writing was that communism would happen first in the largest and most industrialized countries because they would inevitably exploit their workers and that would be the "trigger" for starting communism) could transition to full communism.

Marx thought that there had to be transitionary phases where it went:

Peasentry -> Feudalism -> Capitalism -> Advanced Capitalism -> Socialist Revolution -> Dictatorship of the Proletariat/Vanguard Class -> Full Communism/Elimination of State

Trotskyists thought that by providing outside assistance to non-advanced countries, they could skip from Feudalism straight to the Dictatorship of the Proletariat/Vanguard Class.

After communism as an economic theory more or less died out, many Trotskyists maintained the central tenet of a "permanent revolution" and the idea that outside assistance could help countries transition much more quickly to an end-game without requiring decades of slow decay before they were ready for large-scale political/social/economic change.

Some of the founding fathers of Neoconservatism were former Trotskyists and they kept this principle and applied it to their new theory: That outside force can assist countries in transitioning away from dictatorships and sectarian states into democracies. The transition to democracy will require a more egalitarian economic and social outlook (because once you aren't ruling as a dictatorship or sectarian leader, you will need to appeal to a large group of people and at least not entirely alienate everyone and motivate them to oppose you).

Once the vast majority of the countries in the world are on the same page in terms of liberal democracy and individual rights, then there won't be artificial barriers to cooperation and forced separation (communism vs. capitalism or sectarian group vs. other sectarian group inherently divides people and won't allow for large-scale cooperation), which will allow for global cooperation and coordination and a dramatic increase in global peace and wealth.

That falls pretty closely in line with the Trotskyist thinking, except that the Trots wanted to establish a global communist state with the elimination of class and state or, at the very least, a global Dictatorship of Proletariat/Vanguard Class.

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Fulchrum posted:

He was given the job in 2009, and delivered the 2010 victory, the only thing that has allowed them to not be crushed by their losses in the popular vote ever since. Hes by a wide margin the most competent person to have held that job in ages. Then, because hes black, they kicked his rear end to the curb and gave it to a dumbass white guy.

It's pretty insulting to act like Steele never accomplished anything.


No, he's the exact opposite of that. He's the most qualified and capable man for the job, who got cut after he achieved a historic victory because the GOP couldn't stand black men having authority in their own party.

Steele was fired because the grassroots crazies (and the politicians who were afraid of the grassroots) turned on him and he authorized a ton of wasteful spending that pissed off donors.

He said that Rush Limbaugh was just an entertainer and had no role in Republican Party, made some comments about how the Republican Party could accidentally seem racist sometimes and they were fixing it, and made some pro-immigration noises.

Then, he had that infamous Strip Club party/fundraiser that lost money, spent $17k on a private jet, $13k for limo services, and booked a hotel penthouse that cost $9k for two nights.

Once the crazies and donors had something to use against him, about 5 other people jumped into the chairman race and he lost.

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Plinkey posted:

Fords and Chevys, not Toyotas.

There's a major country song right now with a chorus about sitting in "an old pickup Toyota." We are in a new age.

Also, they rhyme "Toyota" with "Soda" in the song and that feels wrong.

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Freep doesn't really reject QAnon.

It's basically:

30% are 100% true believers
20% make fun of the true believers
50% don't care one way or the other, but will support QAnon when there is a news story about it because Q "sticks it to the libs" and they like to use examples of Q "censorship" to show the perfidiousness of the liberal media and feed their persecution complex.

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Plinkey posted:

there's only about 7,000 posts in that thread.

e: lol


Didn't his life basically fall apart from drugs and booze after he shot to fame in the 70s?

Yes, but he is also a lead on a primetime CBS drama that has been on the air for 8 years.

I would think Freepers would be the perfect demo for CBS primetime procedural cop shows.

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Fritz Coldcockin posted:

Trump cannot fail, he can only be failed. Look at the number of responses where they say they blame Republicans but not Strong Daddy Trump--it's a loving disease is what it is.

It took them 6 1/2 years, but they eventually turned on "the man god chose to lead the country and the world back to his son" after a failed attempt at immigration reform and 68% of the country turning against Iraq.

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jojoinnit posted:

Who's gonna do the Christmas posts? Also, I assume Freep doesn't share news like this but let me know if they do cause that's great:

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1076522756592754688?s=20

It's pretty crazy that in recent years (Chick-Fil-A, Nike, Hobby Lobby, Dick's Sporting Goods, wholesale ammunition suppliers, Heinz, etc) that companies are making their largest profits off of groups of people buying their products to spite another group of people.

Most of these spite purchasing campaigns made more money for the company than any of the plans the CEOs, accountants, and CFOs tried to raise profits.

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Fathis Munk posted:

Spite is a very powerful human emotion. It was only a matter of time until people capitalized on it.

The weird thing is that the companies themselves weren't the ones capitalizing on it; or at least they weren't the ones originating them.

I don't think the Chick-Fil-A guy had an intentional plan for his donations to various religious groups and proposition 8 funds to be revealed by quarterly campaign disclosures 5 months later in order to drive up sales.

Or that Theresa Heinz-Kerry decided to keep her old last name in order to spike ketchup sales in 24 years when her new husband ran for President.

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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

Obama is an intelligent, articulate, successful black man. They'll never stop hating him.

There are some small cracks on certain topics in the Freep hivemind, but there are 3 things that will absolutely 100% rile them up no matter what the context:

1) A black person doing anything they don't like or a black person they don't like doing literally anything.
2) Anything involving gay people.
3) Anything involving immigration.

The most mild and innocuous story featuring any of those subjects will have 500+ comments and people stroking out from rage.

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Ague Proof posted:

What does Obamaumao even mean? If it's Mao, why not ObaMao?

Mau Mau is a term used to describe a Kenyan revolt against colonialism in the 50's. It was massively brutal and involved Kenyans chopping people's heads with machetes and the British government basically razing whole towns because a few people in them were harboring or supporting the rebels.

Racist people like to use it because of the association with brutality and black people cutting white people with machetes.

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Russia's economy has basically been like North Dakota circa 2014 since the 90's. When oil and natural gas are doing well, then about 20% of the population does very well. The rest of them are slightly impacted by whatever is going on with that 20%, but mostly in their own world.

It's gotten slightly worse recently because so many international companies have pulled out of Russia in the last year.

Looking at the currency valuation and oil/gas industry doesn't really give an accurate glimpse of how Russia (as in the collective of people and not the state) is actually doing economically since about 80% of people participating in the economy are doing so in their own semi self-contained economic ecosystem in the larger urban areas that doesn't dramatically change with the amount of oil/gas extracted elsewhere.

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