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StashAugustine posted:I just got fired and am thus getting extra drunk. (Prayers please Will definitely pray for you. Also, got a fresh fifth of whisky tonight.
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:QFT people are allowed to reflect about their prayer life among friends in an attempt to sort themselves out, don't be a dick
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Deteriorata posted:And my point is that no, they wouldn't. They'd just invent different reasons for hating Bernie. Wouldn't have to look far, either. The American right's distrust for Jews runs very, very deep.
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Mo Tzu posted:i don't personally see people who voted trump political opponents. i see them as threats to my health, safety, and my ability to thrive within the country i was born in. really hard to see why i should treat them nicely, which is why i like that jodo shinshu morality is so contextual and personal. we are moved by amida to become one with him, but because of our karmic links that means in this life how much we become moved towards a buddha's compassion is highly personal. if being able to turn the other cheek is impossible for someone, that doesn't negate their shinjin nor does it negate their rebirth. amida moves us all but we can't all respond equally. bingo
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Mo Tzu posted:also, the only good fascist continues to be a dead fascist. this is known dothraki citation format continues to be best citation format
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I've gotten lots of consolation today from reading Julian of Norwich (who owns, plz read her if you haven't). This bit in particular really struck me:Julian of Norwich posted:And in this, he shewed a little thing the quantity of an haselnot, lying in the palme of my hand as me semide, and it was as round as any balle. I looked theran with the eye of my understanding and thought: "What may this be?" And it was answered generally thus: "It is all that is made." I marveled how it might last, for methought it might sodenly have fallen to nought for littlenes. And I was answered in my understanding: "It lasteth and ever shall, for God loveth it. And so hath all thing being by the love of God."
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someone's already made threats of violence against a gay Episcopalian priest in new jersey. i'm sure there are more threats to clergy that i don't know about. everyone, please pray for the safety of clergy, pastors, and houses of worship: lots of people are going to need them
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please pray for the soul of Leonard Cohen, one of the great religious songwriters of our age. may his memory be a blessing
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:KataMary DaMercy. i literally spit out my water holy poo poo
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the calvinist doctrine of perseverance of the saints has mutated and become a source of solace to the lazy instead of a source of anxiety to the industrious. i mean not that it had awesome psychological import in the first place since developing a "Protestant work ethic" in order to manage anxiety about election isn't the most healthy thing in the world, but "i'm saved so therefore i must be the right kind of person already b/c God wouldn't let me be otherwise" is perhaps even worseThirteen Orphans posted:We are not allowed to talk about abortion. also this
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"a biblical understanding of X" is a cover phrase designed to obscure highly partisan exegesis. there is no single unified biblical understanding of anything. you may think you can love people while considering a basic structuring element of their life sinful. it might even be possible. but pardon me if i'm really loving skeptical that you've ever done it or ever will
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HEY GAL posted:orthodox priests will bless anything you ask them to. i think this is a good thing. hopefully, this plane's pilot will remain free from harm, which is ok to think no matter what our countries' opinions are of each other yeah, the way i see it, blessing something entrusts and dedicates it to God's purposes. hopefully it'll keep its pilot safe, and perhaps its weaponry will misfire or fail to hit civilian targets.
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i know that for catholics, at least, it's permissible to dispose of blessed things by burning as well, which has been deemed to include melting down metal things and reusing the metal for something different. the blessing isn't considered to carry over, since the blessing was for an object's particular purpose and a new object would have a new purpose, which would need a new blessing
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sounds like he was a very compassionate pastor but still had garbage-fire theology that minimized the ways in which commodified heterosexuality is basically singlehandedly responsible for the desecration of eros. if these people spent half the time railing against the commodification of women's bodies and women's suffering in the porn industry that they do railing against gays, we might have actually made some cultural progress
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Mo Tzu posted:lmao if you think these aren't the same people trying to shame and criminalize sex workers yeah i agree entirely, i should have been clearer about that in my original post
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:Christianity Thread II: I have a Horatius Bonar right now omg yes someone get a mod
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SirPhoebos posted:Are miracles always health-related? Or can something like The Bloop be proclaimed to be a miraculous intervention? There's a huge bias toward healings, firstly because those get asked for by tons of people, and secondly because they're easy to consult doctors about and verify. I happen to think that Bl. John Henry Newman's second miracle already happened, but it wouldn't be accepted by ecclesiastical authorities because it's super  Veneration means you honor them and ask them to pray for you. Worship means you pray to them.
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Lutha Mahtin posted:ya seriously, whats this big gay miracle People guessed right: the attempt to disinter him and move his remains (but not those of his beloved) in preparation for his beatification, only to find that both had decomposed to nothing and thus, according to canon law, could not be legitimately moved.
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Basically in his will, he insisted that he be buried alongside Fr. Ambrose St. John, the man with whom he lived for 32 years until St. John died. When Newman was to be beatified, the Catholic Church prepared to move his remains to the Birmingham Oratory, which he had founded. They notably did NOT include plans to move St. John's body, and when pressed on it, ecclesiastical authorities admitted that they planned to move only the one, in direct violation of the Cardinal's will. Their reluctance to do so was almost certainly due to the fact that Newman and St. John were, in the light of modern knowledge of such relationships, very likely two gay men in love with one another (though, it should be stressed, both chaste in accordance with their vows, as far as anyone can tell). Needless to say, a public monument involving two men who were each other's lifelong love did not sit well, so they went ahead and tried to dig up Newman, only to find that his coffin, and both of their bodies and clothes, had completely disintegrated. I consider this a miraculous intervention on Newman's part to prevent himself and his beloved from being separated for the sake of public relations.
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Lutha Mahtin posted:aside from how it deals with the issue that shall not be named itt, to an uninformed heretic such as me, that ruling seems to touch on some issues francis keeps pushing. one is how he has championed a more reconciliatory tone with regards to some of the church's more conservative social teachings, even while those teachings have themselves mostly not changed. another is his sustained effort against "clericalism" and petty fiefdoms within the church bureaucracy. This is pretty much exactly what's going on. Francis has steadfastly emphasized that our first response to sin must be mercy and welcome: we can worry later on about what brought a person there or how they might fix it, but their primary and most immediate need is to be loved, full stop. And if we aren't equal to the task, we have to pray that God will, for their sake, either make us equal to it or send someone who is. Like The Phlegmatist said, he wants to remove as many obstacles as possible to people's participation in communal and sacramental life, because that's where they can best find healing.
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tickets to the gunt show posted:It's not really denigrating to think of practical Judaism as legalistic. The rabbinical legal tradition is something a lot of Jewish scholars are very proud of (predominantly Jewish law schools, too - somehow). Even contemporary Judaism is bifurcated along whether or not a group of practitioners believes that the application of the Halakha is a binding part of the covenant with God. There seems to be a parallel with the approaches taken by some Christian groups, in this regard. The generally accepted term for Judaism's emphasis on the Law and its application is that Judaism is, in pretty much all of its strains, strongly orthopraxic: Jewish scholarship even in its more liberal denominations is concerned with what God wants people to do and how they should do it. Pretty much all Christian denominations are more orthodoxic than orthopraxic, though of course Catholicism and Orthodoxy are both more heavily orthopraxic than most Protestant denominations. Some of those can still, however, be heavily orthopraxic in practical terms even though in theory they're all about sola fide (see: some of the Neo-Calvinist churches with their extensive member covenants). Point is, calling anything "legalistic" is generally accepted as a form of derision, especially in Christian contexts, and we'd be better served by avoiding the term.
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they're sprung from the same origin as the seventh-day adventists. unlike the messianics, they're pretty much all goyim, but they still think that we need to observe all the old testament laws in order to be saved. they also maintain that the original language of the new testament was aramaic, and think that the Latin name of Jesus is a false name derived from Zeus
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HEY GAL posted:i goddamn hate musical theater look at this wrong post here. just look at it. "gypsy" is one of the great works of american art right up there with the best of copland and ellington
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CountFosco posted:I mean, I'll take Sunday in the Park With George as my choice for transcendent musical theater. The first act of SitPwG might actually be perfect. I saw it in my first year of grad school and literally wept for joy at intermission.
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CountFosco posted:They're schmaltzy and musically simplistic in the same way that church is boring and repetitive. this one is also excellent and madeline kahn was a national treasure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrRDrz53Q1E
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Deteriorata posted:The only possible mechanism by which some astrological-type personality influence could occur would be through climate. Historically, a child born in March would go through his early formative months with a different diet and climate than one born in, say, September. Thus it is conceivable that children could develop in different ways with distinct personalities based on when they were born - but not due to the influence of any celestial bodies. Those bodies would simply be markers as a universal calendar. Climate was the major personality predictor in ancient Greek medicine: there's a ton of stuff about it in the Hippocratic Corpus. The most famous of these is On Airs, Waters, and Places, where the author talks about how the prevailing winds and types of water in a place affect the inhabitants. It's some classic ancient medicine poo poo, as well as being one of the earliest recorded attempts to systematize the effects of climate on the spread of disease.
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believe it or not there's a book of christian meditations on the tarot to which von balthasar contributed an afterword, which was a thing i did not know until i was searching for christmas presents but it is very much on the list now
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Two major obstacles that weren't insuperable in themselves but together made a pretty high barrier to entry. The first was monotheism: Judaism is REALLY BIG on there being only one God, and that offering anything approaching worship to anyone or anything other than God is a grave sin. Monotheism and polytheism interact in very weird ways when they meet one another, but they really are fundamentally incompatible. Secondly, Judaism was and is heavily tied up in ethnic identity, and the path to conversion was (and in some denominations still is) extremely stringent. Plus, as others have said, Judaism didn't and doesn't evangelize, whereas Christianity is entirely focused on spreading the good news for the salvation of the world. Being explicitly multiethnic while evangelizing and having a relatively easy initiation process goes a long way toward contributing to the spread of a religion.
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CountFosco posted:On your second point, I'm not sure that this was unique to Christianity and can really be pointed to as the primary source of its great expansion. There were other, non-Judaic mystery religions at the time which also took on followers of various ethnicities. A good example of this is the cult of Isis, and The Golden rear end is an important work in understanding this mystery religion as a potential alternative to Christianity. People think that the novel takes a turn in the last act toward the religious, but really the entire work is devotional (in my opinion). That Christianity eventually achieved dominance over this faith is a fact whose causes are hazy, multivalent, numerous (and perhaps numinous). The cult of Isis was, however, polytheistic. And it's not devotional so much as it's a Platonic allegory; that much is clear from the rest of his work. Point is, mystery cults in antiquity weren't exclusive: it's a lot easier to convince a polytheist to adopt a new deity because that's something polytheistic cultures do all the time. And to top it off, they weren't evangelistic: people sought the mysteries rather than having them proclaimed. The two aren't easily comparable to the point where you can definitely say that the one would be a direct competitor with the other. It's more accurate to say that Christianity was competing with Greco-Roman polytheism in general.
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CountFosco posted:In what word are you using the word devotional? Because I'm pretty sure the cult of Isis required sacrifices and our pal Lucius clearly became some sort of proto-monk in the service of Isis at the end of his journey. And it seems a bit of a cheat to dismiss it as just a platonic allegory when allegorical readings of scripture have been a part of Christian interpretation from time immemorial. Normally for something to be a work of devotional literature with respect to a particular religion, it has to be written by someone who believes in the religion in question, and Apuleius's Platonism absolutely precludes belief in the kind of personal god that would be worshipped in an actual cult of Isis. Even if he'd been initiated (and we don't know if he was an initiate of Isis, although his Apologia mentions his initiation into several mystery cults), the satirical dimension of the work (particularly the continuing initiation fees despite Lucius's being flat broke) raises serious questions about its reliability. I'm sure there's some truth in there, but since it's our sole account of the cult of Isis, and knowing its literary features and the biography of its author, we need to be extremely careful in using it as a source for what the mysteries of Isis were actually like.
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Josef bugman posted:To ask a quick question, and not meaning to be rude at all, but I always thought "Easter" was a more important general time? Or is this time of year the most important night? Sorry that must sound rude, I do apologise. What I mean is that our concert happens on Holy Saturday/Easter Vigil, which is in fact the holiest night of the year. Turns out it was the university itself that forced us to do it; they booted us out of what would be our normal slot so they could have a major hoopla in the central auditorium/concert space on campus. Ughhhh this is so infuriating.
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Deteriorata posted:Is a religious holiday conflict not a valid excuse for missing a performance? They're forcing you to put one over the other, and they're going to lose. I mean it'd be valid if I took it, but I'd feel bad citing an obligation conflict: it's not that I need to go to Vigil, just that I prefer it. I can fulfill my religious obligations just fine by going the next morning instead.
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The Phlegmatist posted:Peter Kreeft is an ex-Calvinist convert and I generally agree with him regarding the existence of an absolute morality, but wow a lot of his supporters are just plain awful people who don't understand philosophical arguments and see the devil of moral relativism in every shadow (hint: it's Mussolini and von Mises, not Martin Luther King.) Kreeft is, from everything I can tell, a perfectly decent dude, but his fanboys think they're doing theology when what they're really doing is apologetics, which is theology with all the training wheels on. They're the Catholic equivalent of Reddit logic-bros who'll talk your ear off for an hour about necessary and contingent truth-claims, but won't take even one minute to silently contemplate the mystery and majesty of the Divine Logos. You get the feeling that there's some serious "forest for the trees" business going on with those types.
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HEY GAL posted:i've got half a mind to advocate banning ex-Calvinists from Orthodoxy and Catholicism, but I know that's a sin against charity because it'd make it impossible for them to escape just ban everyone, convert or not, from writing or teaching about the faith in any public authoritative context for a minimum of 20 years after their confirmation, with every exception to be reviewed personally by a bishop. private faith talks with your friends? go ahead. but no teaching or publishing on catholic theology until you've lived a couple decades as a normal catholic
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zonohedron posted:I think I object to your "apologetics is theology with all the training wheels on" characterization. I agree with you that a lot of folks think they're doing theology when they're just doing apologetics, but that's not because apologetics is (necessarily) easier; it's like the difference between writing code and documenting it, in my mind. Kreeft does an amazing job of explaining how various parts of doctrine fit together, or how some theological statements could be or should be obvious even without faith, from what I've read of his writing; he's not really breaking new theological ground any more than a technical writer is breaking new ground in the field of cryptography or linear programming, but (to his credit) I don't think he ever claims to be. (Fanboys are, as always, a different issue.) Oh yeah, Kreeft is a perfectly honest writer; like I said, he seems to be a pretty good guy, and he's pretty straightforward about what his project is. The problem, on further reflection, is American parochialism in general. Virtually nothing important in the Catholic Church gets carried out in English and nobody else in the world gives a poo poo about G. K. Chesterton, but still every year you see English-origin books being touted as "supremely important" new contributions and firmly midrange writers like Chesterton or Fulton Sheen hailed as champions of the faith. Or maybe it's the nostalgia trap again, I dunno. Point is, he's not under any illusions about what he's doing, but his fanboys seem to think every book is a major event whose every proposition needs to be gone over in detail. Bel_Canto fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Dec 8, 2016 |
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HEY GAL posted:yeah our rules are super complicated but nobody ever explains them properly so most english speakers and learners end up thinking we don't actually have any, it rules It doesn't help that most of our middle and high school English teaching sucks and plays up our superficial Latinate vocabulary influence when our much closer cousins are the other Germanic languages. Also as for theology being inaccessible because languages, so far my degree has has me learn about nine ancient languages and three modern ones, so I have absolutely no pity for other Americans on that front. Mug up or get out of the game.
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could i ask for everyone's prayers? this is the second weekend in a row that i've been too ill to go to Mass, and it's making me really miserable not to be able to be in the presence of God and partake of the Sacrament. maybe some prayers to the patron saint of flu bugs, or perhaps to St. Christopher, since i almost certainly caught this thing in the course of my Thanksgiving travels
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