big black turnout posted:

i think it involves not being hurt by infants?

Your Dead Gay Son posted:

you're close op. you'll discover in your quest that true love possesses some physical attributes that are often given to mockery or mimicry, the possessivness expressed through physical contact, that is a hollow imitation of what the conveyor believes constitutes "true love" but actually makes a cultural joke of the notion : because you'll find in actual, deep, convicted and reciprocated love, possession is absent because it is recognized as an ego effacing substrate of the objective reality of being so ridiculously and completely aligned with another individual within this physical realm and dimension.

too many don't recognize that power.

and even more try to force it

quote:

We must here make a clear distinction between belief and faith, because, in general practice, belief has come to mean a state of mind which is almost the opposite of faith. Belief, as I use the word here, is the insistence that the truth is what one would “lief” or wish it to be. The believer will open his mind to the truth on the condition that it fits in with his preconceived ideas and wishes. Faith, on the other hand, is an unreserved opening of the mind to the truth, whatever it may turn out to be. Faith has no preconceptions; it is a plunge into the unknown. Belief clings, but faith lets go. In this sense of the word, faith is the essential virtue of science, and likewise of any religion that is not self-deception.

[…]

The present phase of human thought and history … almost compels us to face reality with open minds, and you can only know God through an open mind just as you can only see the sky through a clear window. You will not see the sky if you have covered the glass with blue paint.

But “religious” people who resist the scraping of the paint from the glass, who regard the scientific attitude with fear and mistrust, and confuse faith with clinging to certain ideas, are curiously ignorant of laws of the spiritual life which they might find in their own traditional records. A careful study of comparative religion and spiritual philosophy reveals that abandonment of belief, of any clinging to a future life for one’s own, and of any attempt to escape from finitude and mortality, is a regular and normal stage in the way of the spirit. Indeed, this is actually such a “first principle” of the spiritual life that it should have been obvious from the beginning, and it seems, after all, surprising that learned theologians should adopt anything but a cooperative attitude towards the critical philosophy of science.

Your Dead Gay Son posted:

I'm reminded of Alan watts


https://www.brainpickings.org/2014/06/27/alan-watts-belief-vs-faith/

Orkin Mang posted:

alan watts is very good. i think faith isnt 'believing in things you know arent true', thats a joke definition that idiots take seriously. real faith exists in the interstice between hope and conviction in existential realities necessary to stave off selfslaughter. its hope with conviction but without mindless dogmatism. we think this is weird but all our reasoning depends upon such primitive posits, or as chesterton called them platonic mysticisms.

Your Dead Gay Son posted:

I agree, and believe the division between delusion and faith is narrow but extremely important. exactly what you said- "hope with conviction but without mindless dogmatism"

mysterious frankie posted:

true love is like being touched on your genitals, except they're the genitals of your soul. and also you can't be forced to testify against them in court. my uncle told me that.

problematic hug posted:

Orkin Mang posted:

literally my favorite img

Orkin Mang posted:

no one *cinches garrote* believes a child

MiracleWhale posted:

perhaps a love can only be true if it has come to an end. love is a garden you must tend but a gardener looks too often at the dirt and not the flowers above

E Equals MC Hammer posted:

I think it involves suffering. Suffering is the greatest thing you can experience. Look at it this way if you suffer enough eventually that level of pain is felt to be normal and thus you can suffer even greater pain. Eventually the suffering gauge doubles back on itself and you experience true bliss.

Orkin Mang posted:

but then the love is an aspiration. milton would describe eden as the work of god but in need of human tenderness. the fragrance rises tot he sky, and the depth of the rivers are unfathomable in their embrace

Moon Atari posted:

I took a philosophy unit that was all about emotions and love was one of the topics. All I can remember though is that the professor used the word fungibility a whole lot. Sorry I couldn't offer anything more helpful.

Bhauk posted:

The more vulnerable I feel the closer I am to getting cum

Moon Atari posted:

I took a philosophy unit that was all about emotions and love was one of the topics. All I can remember though is that the professor used the word fungibility a whole lot. Sorry I couldn't offer anything more helpful.

E Equals MC Hammer posted:

Wooooooooo ooooooo ohhh