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Roylicious posted:Lol jesus. I remember I tried being a smartass during grade school science and said 'ovals actually' when the teacher said circular orbits and he was just 'well... yeah actually you're right' and then moved on. I hate to say it, everybody says it, but a lot of their problem is the state tests. At the beginning of the year they say, "We don't teach to the state tests!" but it is a lie. As soon as they return to school in January all they do is teach to that test, taking practice tests over and over, for two months. In English class that 3rd quarter of the year, they had exactly two items that determined their entire grade for that grading period: 2 different 6-word word search puzzles. That is all they did in 9 weeks for grades. The rest was PARCC test practice. They really earned their "D" for effectiveness from the state of Ohio. No state tests in the private school.
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Yeah that poo poo is pretty ridiculous and needs to end already. I feel like College Board et al have their hooks in their deep now though and good luck reversing that. We did the yearly state standardized tests too but we were always told to just do our best and aside from the 2 weeks a year or so set aside to actually do the test we didn't learn to take the test or anything. Seems kinda self defeating honestly - school starts losing funding, decides it needs to do better on tests, neglects actual curriculum in favor of test taking stuff, which leads to lower test scores because kids don't know as much of the actual material, and so on until you are learning to take tests 2 months out of the year. Sometimes I think Carlin was right that people in power have no interest in really having a good broad education system anyway though. I mean I know he's a comedian but still.
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Sep 27, 2016 21:39
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Roylicious posted:I'll tell you what's wrong with schools. It's too easy to become a teacher and it pays for poo poo. lucky I manged to get the worst my admittedly small town had to offer, one even convinced the principle I needed to get psychological counseling. I had one good teacher before high school.
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I guess it kinda depends on your area OP. I went to a merit-based private school and as such, the tuition was about as much as paying for lunch at public school every day. And holy poo poo the public schools in my
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Sep 27, 2016 22:44
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There are really few feelings better than knowing I make a lot more money than all the lovely teachers who told me I would never amount to anything.
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Sep 27, 2016 22:57
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Boof Bonser posted:There are really few feelings better than knowing I make a lot more money than all the lovely teachers who told me I would never amount to anything.
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Sep 27, 2016 23:00
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Send your kids to public school but get them in the honors classes and GT/GATE/whatever they call your gifted programs and they will get a good education and you will save money. They not only have the better teachers but they have the better environments, because unlike normal classes the students in these classes actually give a poo poo or are forced by their parents to give a poo poo and the classes dont get disrupted or slowed down because they can just dump the bad ones back into the normal classes and move on
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Sep 27, 2016 23:05
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I grew up in an area where the public schools were considered pretty good, so the only kids who didn't go to public school were the ones from really religious families. The only non-religious private school in the area was barely better than the top public school and it was really expensive. Dunno about charter schools, apparently they're the best option in really poor areas though.
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Sep 27, 2016 23:05
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ArmZ posted:https://bostonreview.net/us/snyder-public-private-charter-schools-demographics-incentives-markets the vast majority of private schools are homeschool groups and dominionist madrassas run out of baptist church annexes of course the kids in them perform poorly they'd learn more watching nickelodeon all day
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Sep 27, 2016 23:09
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The White Dragon posted:I guess it kinda depends on your area OP. I went to a merit-based private school and as such, the tuition was about as much as paying for lunch at public school every day. I grew up on Oahu too and went to like 3 different school districts and the GT programs were always excellent and interesting and ridiculously well funded and way better than the same i got later in similar programs on the mainland. I didnt realize until i was an adult that Hawaii public schools are actually terrible overall. Maybe they just dump a lot of their money toward accelerated programs and leave everyone else behind
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Sep 27, 2016 23:13
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In a country of hundreds of millions with schools funded differently by state, county and municipality there are bound to be varying returns on both public and private schools. It's too big a problem to make generalizations about on a national scale because the problems faced by both institutions vary. Kids that are in terrible public schools deserve another option, and kids in terrible private or charter schools have the option of going public at least. Having the option of private or charter schools is probably better than just having the public system by itself.
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Sep 27, 2016 23:14
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Tonight on Lib Arts vs STEMs, the great debate! Which school is better for you????
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whoflungpoop posted:Maybe they just dump a lot of their money toward accelerated programs and leave everyone else behind Depends on your region. Maui is soooooooo fuckin' bad. My friend got more or less a full ride at UH because he aced all his classes... because his school didn't offer advanced classes of any sort. We both studied Japanese and I once asked him if he understood <grammatical concept> 'cause I sure as gently caress didn't and he was like "I dunno we just watch VHSes of Crayon Shinchan" 
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I read The Indian In The Cupboard five loving times in a row because my third grade teacher said there was no way I could have finished it that quickly and no I couldn't go get another book until Officially Designated Library Time next week Also read aloud time was great if you liked sitting in a circle listening to your lovely classmates struggle to sound out words letter by letter Even better was fluff senior "how to give a PowerPoint presentation" class where an 18 year old legal adult had just as much trouble reading words on a slide he himself put together, he's a cop now Basically, throw all the dumb kids in the dumpster early on and public schools will be good again
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Sep 28, 2016 00:01
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Wife went to private school and her parents were always reminding her of the financial sacrifice they were making to send her there. Also they couldn't afford to travel as a family (other than renting a cabin or something) and both her mom and dad were always stressed about money. So now she wants to send our kids to private school and I'm like okay but if it means our kids will never travel anywhere interesting or get to do cool activities or sports or whatever then it's not worth it. Also if it means we're always freaking out about money then no loving way.
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Sep 28, 2016 00:26
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Pththya-lyi posted:Turns out that schools that get to cherry-pick their students do better than schools that have to take everybody. Who knew? this unironically there is no loving reason why A+ students should be stuck in class with idiots who'll slow them down
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Sep 28, 2016 00:27
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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Sep 28, 2016 00:32
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Those students who win the charter school lotteries imposed by school boards whose members' campaign donations come exclusively from teachers' unions sure are "cherry-picked."
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Sep 28, 2016 00:32
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I went to public school my whole life and then for the last part of high school my parents sent me to one of those 30k a year (was 20k when I was there) ivy feeder private schools and my teachers there were no joke the best I've ever had. They were better than my subsequent college professors and many held PhDs. Holy poo poo though my classmates were mostly cool but also insanely well off and many of them still haven't really worked a day in their lives, 15+ years later. I went to the state uni thoigh. And took a bunch of time off to work before finishing.
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Sep 28, 2016 00:35
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Roylicious posted:Unless they made radical changes in the last 8 years and/or got rid of honors/AP stuff then it's pretty much the exact opposite actually. All the smart kids get their own classes and the "dumb" kids (why does everyone need to be on a college track?) get relegated to poo poo tier classes where teachers let you out of class as long as you bring them a burrito. symbolic posted:I graduated in 2015 and they still did that at my high school. The dumb kids would take GP, normal kids CP, the smarter kids Honors, and the smartest kids AP. That's just how it was. I'm talking about elementary school where that kind of thing actually matters because your brain is significantly developing during that time Any moron can take an AP course in high school and skate through for a C and get that sweet 4.0. AP courses are a loving joke
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Sep 28, 2016 00:38
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What are expensive private schools teaching that my (hypothetical) kids wouldn't just be able to learn in a public school and/or look up their smartphone? Back in the day where a teacher was correct for saying "You won't always have a calculator/book in front of you" then I can see how your money could buy an objectively better education, but my friends kid in public school is like 11 and she knows how to cross-reference all kinds of sources and find information on her computer as well as/better than her mom. Plus she has the benefit of being exposed to a really diverse socioeconomic background of kids which is crazy valuable, imho.
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Sep 28, 2016 00:46
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we keep hiring underpaid teach for america grads who have no actual classroom experience and they all bounce out before getting the hang of managing a classroom, why are our test scores so low?
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Boof Bonser posted:[citation needed] http://www.law.umn.edu/sites/law.umn.edu/files/newsfiles/8a690b58/Chicago-Charters-FINAL.pdf Boof Bonser posted:teacher-training-industrial complex must be fed)! lol
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Sep 28, 2016 00:55
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schmitty9800 posted:http://www.law.umn.edu/sites/law.umn.edu/files/newsfiles/8a690b58/Chicago-Charters-FINAL.pdf
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the OP must hate cocaine if he thinks private schools full of bored rich kids are bad
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Sep 28, 2016 01:25
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Tumble posted:What are expensive private schools teaching that my (hypothetical) kids wouldn't just be able to learn in a public school and/or look up their smartphone? My brother and I went to a Catholic grade school which mostly fed into Catholic high schools with really high standards and it wasn't a matter of secret knowledge, but rather they pushed us harder and we were generally a couple of years ahead of the public school kids. Since those private high schools cost megabucks and our city had a decent public high school we went there and spent most of the time cruising effortlessly with high marks because a large chunk of it was basically a review of things we had already done. It wasn't until upper-level honors/AP science and math classes that things picked up a bit. Spending four years letting your academic study skills atrophy doesn't do you any favors when you get to college though.
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The private academy i'm teaching at rn is mostly full of chinese and brazillian kids trying to get into american colleges. Also apparently has a good athletics program. I think most crazy academies are more magnets for rich foreigners over privileged bored white kids.
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Tumble posted:What are expensive private schools teaching that my (hypothetical) kids wouldn't just be able to learn in a public school and/or look up their smartphone? How about the curricula that often aren't thoroughly covered because of factors outside of your kids control? Who wants their kid attending a school where union teachers are striking or unmotivated students are slowing the pace for the rest of the class? You mentioned a benefit in exposure to diversity though, what do you believe that benefit is?
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hampton posted:How about the curricula that often aren't thoroughly covered because of factors outside of your kids control? Who wants their kid attending a school where union teachers are striking or unmotivated students are slowing the pace for the rest of the class? You mentioned a benefit in exposure to diversity though, what do you believe that benefit is? its called learning to be part of society.
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Tumble posted:What are expensive private schools teaching that my (hypothetical) kids wouldn't just be able to learn in a public school and/or look up their smartphone? cocaine, why it's great, how to get your hands on it, what the hot girls will do when on it vs. their regular personalities, you know that kind of thing
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My Catholic school education was probably the best quality I received until college. I went to one fairly affluent public school in Massachusetts for a year and it was alright, but while it had money and resources, I can't really say it was a better quality of schooling.
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Boof Bonser posted:The UMN study you link to shows that in Chicago only there is, by their method, a slight underperformance among charters as a whole within that city. This is hardly support for the assertion that "In reality, maybe 1/5 charter schools are equal to public schools and the rest are loving trash." If you want to trade local studies here's one showing that charters in Mass. are actually doing quite well. But to look at "how charter schools overall perform," to the extent you can reliably do that, misses the point quite badly. The point of charter schools is that they are able to operate with more room to innovate. This has led to a pretty broad mix of approaches and a pretty broad mix of outcomes. Some of them consistently do really, really, really well. Some of them are dreadful and should be shut down. We should be replicating the methods that have been proven successful at the top charters instead of arguing over whether charters are good or bad; some charters are good, and some are bad, but the advantage they offer is that they allow a variety of approaches to be tried from which best practices can be gleaned. The only real opposition to them comes from the teachers' unions who are just pissed off that schools are allowed to hire non-union teachers instead of being forced into their CBAs. Charter schools are unionizing across the country as most teachers don't like being treated like contract workers. Charter schools' performance data will forever be corrupted as they are able to expel students who then go back to public schools. from the study also if you bothered to read it quote:The primary methodological issue affecting charter studies stems from the fact that charter students are self-selected, creating what is usually called “selection bias.” The way that parents and students select charters virtually guarantees that, as a group, charter students have greater parental concern for and participation in their education than do students in traditional, assigned schools. By definition, charter parents cared enough to go to the trouble of enrolling their kids in a school other than one assigned to them by the school district. While many parents of kids in traditional schools care and participate just as much, you can't say that they have all demonstrated the same level of concern. This matters because active participation by parents in their child’s education is an important contributing factor to student achievement. schmitty9800 fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Sep 28, 2016 |
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Living in a liberal white town owns because the charter/private schools have like a 30% vaccination rate. It's good to know that your neighbors can afford 30k a year for primary education while still being a bunch of window-lickers.
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I think it prolly depends on where you live op, I went to public schools but my high school was known for having some of the best scores on the state standardized tests and I also had access to good honors/ap classes or a separate program that let you take community college courses to double up on your highschool credits and get you started on your AA/we. I went with the latter and ended up getting calc and such out of the way before college so I got to start off in junior/senior level stuff and at the same time dicked around getting a minor completely unrelated to my stem degree cause I still wanted to spend 4 years at college. At the end of the day I'd say having a leg up and advanced placements and such wasn't a bad thing but it honestly wasn't necessary either, if you're smart enough to skip a year you're smart enough to get your tuition paid for either way so you might as well spend the 4 years to develop your social skills and maybe network a bit, no one is gonna care about your academics past like your first position or so. Really the only reason to super stress that kinda stuff is if you're the top of the top and are planning to hit the best unis in the US and go to grad school, if you're not that high up or from an exceptionally wealthy family the only reason to do that kind of stuff is if your public schools just absolutely blow in your area.
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No Such Thing posted:I think most crazy academies are more magnets for rich foreigners over privileged bored white kids. a whole swath of private schools were built in america in the mid-late 50s for obvious reasons funnily enough they were most commonly called academies
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hampton posted:Who wants their kid attending a school where union teachers are striking that's why you move to a state where public employees are legally barred from collective bargaining
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schmitty9800 posted:Charter schools are unionizing across the country as most teachers don't like being treated like contract workers. Charter schools' performance data will forever be corrupted as they are able to expel students who then go back to public schools. FWIW when I was still teaching most of the people I knew ended up in charters because you can make a lot more money if you're willing to give up job security. Some of the top charters in NYC started you at like $125,000 and this was in 2007 or so so I'm betting that's gone up since. Being treated like a contract worker kicks rear end if you're good and don't want to make $45,000. I thought about going that route but then went to law school instead because I don't actually care about teaching enough to do it for 30 more years.
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Boof Bonser posted:FWIW when I was still teaching most of the people I knew ended up in charters because you can make a lot more money if you're willing to give up job security. Some of the top charters in NYC started you at like $125,000 and this was in 2007 or so so I'm betting that's gone up since. Being treated like a contract worker kicks rear end if you're good and don't want to make $45,000. I thought about going that route but then went to law school instead because I don't actually care about teaching enough to do it for 30 more years. Yeah, it's nothing like that kind of pay in Chicago
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