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Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer
Considering how much of a monumental idiot Farage is I consider this to be a good development. It certainly doesn't indicate Trump is looking for a nuanced or more articulate performance.

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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

looking forward to lies on buses

canepazzo
May 29, 2006



https://twitter.com/TheMichaelMoran/status/781943960575041537

Courting that women vote!

lozzle
Oct 22, 2012

by zen death robot

...Pat Robertson is still alive?

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



lozzle posted:

...Pat Robertson is still alive?

A lich is bound to this earth so long as its phylactery remains in-tact.

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

Lmao oh yeah, "boycott sex against your liberal wives," as if your wife would want to sleep with you after pulling a stunt like that.

Actually any woman who would be able to live with a husband with that kind of sheer gulf in opinion and worldview is living on a whole other plane of existence in tolerance from me, so... :psyduck:

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

On the other hand, that guy is acknowledging that women like and enjoy sex. That's pretty progressive for the republican party.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

lozzle posted:

...Pat Robertson is still alive?

nobody has been able to find his horcruxes

Rookersh
Aug 19, 2010

straight up brolic posted:

Farage is a moron that people outside of England somehow think is an intelligent and effective politician because of brexit and his accent

This is actually kind of insane though?

Like Farage spent his entire career trying to force the UK to leave the EU. Promised up a storm.

As soon as it did, he immediately went and started talks with Russia about working for RT, which is 100% part of the Russian government.

For all the laughs we had about Manafort working for papa Putin and coming by to try and get Trump a win, it seems mighty odd shortly afterwards we had another person that's suspected of working for Putin trying to weasel his way into Trump's campaign to "help" him.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Wait Farange is coaching Trump now? I thought it was Christie?

And it's not "coaching" that Trump needs, it's to literally be a completely different person.

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011



I wanted to vote for Clinton, but I can't resist my husband's withered and impotent penis! Oh, what am I going to do?!

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

Rookersh posted:

This is actually kind of insane though?

Like Farage spent his entire career trying to force the UK to leave the EU. Promised up a storm.

As soon as it did, he immediately went and started talks with Russia about working for RT, which is 100% part of the Russian government.

For all the laughs we had about Manafort working for papa Putin and coming by to try and get Trump a win, it seems mighty odd shortly afterwards we had another person that's suspected of working for Putin trying to weasel his way into Trump's campaign to "help" him.

The 4th dimensional chess game actually being played by Putin.

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


skylined! posted:

The 4th dimensional chess game actually being played by Putin.

He's not even doing much really. All he's doing is banking on white voters being upset at a nebulous something.

Warcabbit
Apr 26, 2008

Wedge Regret
I have to wonder what Donald Trump being found in an actual Playboy video will do to the Evangelical side of things.
It's one of their bigly sins, porn, and it's about as shocking to them as eating babies.

The answer, as always, is nothing, while the actual methodist person of faith gets slandered, I know.

But I have to wonder if it'll get traction.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

So what are examples of "twofer" states where Clinton campaign efforts both help her win a swing state and also help a close Senate race?

-North Carolina
-Nevada
-New Hampshire
-PA
-?Possibly Florida?

Unfortunately the Ohio Senate race doesn't look competitive, nor does the Presidential race in Indiana.

Dr. VooDoo
May 4, 2006


Yeah I was gonna say isn't Farage another right wing idiot who managed to weaken both the UK and the EU then as soon as it was done resigned from office and suddenly was getting lucrative offers for positions in Russian state run media? I'm sure this won't make the "Trump is a Putin toady" talk even worse good pick for a coach, Trump

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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I still genuinely don't believe that Trump can do any debate prep or be coached because doing so requires recognition of his own faults. He's basically just finding celebrities to practice zingers with instead of schlubs like before.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Elsa posted:

Factsareuseless did you get that Lowered Expectations gif made
Tragically, no.

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather
Most insane conspiracy theory I have heard all year.

The woman who was on stage debating Trump was not even Hillary at all. It was another body double.


I felt sick reading that. It's the stupidest opinion I could possibly imagine. An actress who can convince millions of people to be a well known public figure for several hours while also memorizing countless political facts, keeping her calm around Donnie and baiting him so much, would be by far the most competent person alive.

I absolutely lost all political respect from the person who told me that. Like I can't even argue anything anymore. If he is so far down the hole, nothing I could ever say to him would make the slightest dent into his convictions.

I've read countless political articles and tweets and sometimes even their comment sections. But the stupidest conspiracy came from a personal friend. He's not even an uneducated blue collar worker. We recently got out college degrees.
I kind of hate him now. :smith:

Coheed and Camembert
Feb 11, 2012

Fojar38 posted:

I still genuinely don't believe that Trump can do any debate prep or be coached because doing so requires recognition of his own faults. He's basically just finding celebrities to practice zingers with instead of schlubs like before.

The funny thing is you're right. Blaming the mic is what losers do. To him, the mic was the only problem, and Trump has done exactly zero soul searching or real practice as a result. So expect more chaos dunking by Abuela next week.

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



Lightning Knight posted:

Lmao oh yeah, "boycott sex against your liberal wives," as if your wife would want to sleep with you after pulling a stunt like that.

Actually any woman who would be able to live with a husband with that kind of sheer gulf in opinion and worldview is living on a whole other plane of existence in tolerance from me, so... :psyduck:

Story time. I have some old Southern anecdotes about just this thing.

Back in the day when polling was still relatively new everyone's phones were land lines and were probably the only one in the house. The couple is off for the day and maybe about to have dinner. The phone rings. She picks it up. He asks who it is. It's a pollster.

So in Southern states the important polls weren't the elections, they were the primaries. These states were almost always one party states and so who you chose at the primary was important because the party you voted for was right leaning or you threw your vote away.

So the lady of the house begins to answer the questions, but when it comes down to who she voted for she would lie in order to keep the house domestically tranquil. He was voting for X, she wanted to vote for Y but said she was voting for X. The husband is happy and the polls weren't reliable because of married women.

It's possible you may see a repeat of that here. A weak one to be sure, but a lot of these poor white houses are male lead. Figuring out that your wife is going to vote Hillary could make your Trump voting husband fly off the handle.

Anyway, this isn't about "adjusting the polls" because I doubt it'll be over half a percent for women or maybe so small as not to be measured, but some women do lie about who they're voting for in order to keep the peace around the house rather than debate their husbands.

a.lo
Sep 12, 2009

cant cook creole bream posted:

Most insane conspiracy theory I have heard all year.

The woman who was on stage debating Trump was not even Hillary at all. It was another body double.


I felt sick reading that. It's the stupidest opinion I could possibly imagine. An actress who can convince millions of people to be a well known public figure for several hours while also memorizing countless political facts, keeping her calm around Donnie and baiting him so much, would be by far the most competent person alive.

I absolutely lost all political respect from the person who told me that. Like I can't even argue anything anymore. If he is so far down the hole, nothing I could ever say to him would make the slightest dent into his convictions.

I've read countless political articles and tweets and sometimes even their comment sections. But the stupidest conspiracy came from a personal friend. He's not even an uneducated blue collar worker. We recently got out college degrees.
I kind of hate him now. :smith:

Hey, whatever helps him sleep at night.

Or maybe it is what keeps him up.

white sauce
Apr 29, 2012

by R. Guyovich

cant cook creole bream posted:

Most insane conspiracy theory I have heard all year.

The woman who was on stage debating Trump was not even Hillary at all. It was another body double.


I felt sick reading that. It's the stupidest opinion I could possibly imagine. An actress who can convince millions of people to be a well known public figure for several hours while also memorizing countless political facts, keeping her calm around Donnie and baiting him so much, would be by far the most competent person alive.

I absolutely lost all political respect from the person who told me that. Like I can't even argue anything anymore. If he is so far down the hole, nothing I could ever say to him would make the slightest dent into his convictions.

I've read countless political articles and tweets and sometimes even their comment sections. But the stupidest conspiracy came from a personal friend. He's not even an uneducated blue collar worker. We recently got out college degrees.
I kind of hate him now. :smith:

Welcome to the desert of the real.

VH4Ever
Oct 1, 2005

by sebmojo

cant cook creole bream posted:

Most insane conspiracy theory I have heard all year.

The woman who was on stage debating Trump was not even Hillary at all. It was another body double.


I felt sick reading that. It's the stupidest opinion I could possibly imagine. An actress who can convince millions of people to be a well known public figure for several hours while also memorizing countless political facts, keeping her calm around Donnie and baiting him so much, would be by far the most competent person alive.

I absolutely lost all political respect from the person who told me that. Like I can't even argue anything anymore. If he is so far down the hole, nothing I could ever say to him would make the slightest dent into his convictions.

I've read countless political articles and tweets and sometimes even their comment sections. But the stupidest conspiracy came from a personal friend. He's not even an uneducated blue collar worker. We recently got out college degrees.
I kind of hate him now. :smith:

Yeah if your friend can actually, unironically and sincerely believe in that he's kind of an idiot, I have to say. And I understand why you'd say you kind of hate him now. That's a pretty loving willfully (or very unwillfully) stupid thing to believe no matter how you slice it.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

cant cook creole bream posted:

Most insane conspiracy theory I have heard all year.

The woman who was on stage debating Trump was not even Hillary at all. It was another body double.


I felt sick reading that.
The truth makes you sick? Typical Dem. :smug:

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



cant cook creole bream posted:

Most insane conspiracy theory I have heard all year.

The woman who was on stage debating Trump was not even Hillary at all. It was another body double.


I felt sick reading that. It's the stupidest opinion I could possibly imagine. An actress who can convince millions of people to be a well known public figure for several hours while also memorizing countless political facts, keeping her calm around Donnie and baiting him so much, would be by far the most competent person alive.

I absolutely lost all political respect from the person who told me that. Like I can't even argue anything anymore. If he is so far down the hole, nothing I could ever say to him would make the slightest dent into his convictions.

I've read countless political articles and tweets and sometimes even their comment sections. But the stupidest conspiracy came from a personal friend. He's not even an uneducated blue collar worker. We recently got out college degrees.
I kind of hate him now. :smith:

I had the same feeling about a friend of mine until recently. I was relieved when he told me that he's not paying attention to the election because it was stressing him out.

Still going to collect the hundred buck bet at the end of the election, but I'll take his family out to a restaurant or something and do my best not to gloat. :unsmith:

canepazzo
May 29, 2006



https://twitter.com/eduardosuarez/status/782196723062046721

:lol: "Donald's tiny part" :lol:

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather

VH4Ever posted:

Yeah if your friend can actually, unironically and sincerely believe in that he's kind of an idiot, I have to say. And I understand why you'd say you kind of hate him now. That's a pretty loving willfully (or very unwillfully) stupid thing to believe no matter how you slice it.
His source was this video where the guy says the opposite in the first 30 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzeEttm2CF4

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer
Hillary's Body Double for President, 2016.

There's something hilariously ironic about the idea that when the Russians finally found success undermining liberal democracy and funding subversive, extremist political groups in Western countries to promote dangerous ideals, it's as a fascist autocracy spreading white supremacy, misogyny, and homophobia, instead of a communist power spreading socialism.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

The thing to remember about Farage is he tried to play 4th dimensional chess and get Brexit close to winning but still have it fail so he could run on being denied in the future. The second it actually won he was basically the dog that caught the car and had to resign and run for the hills, like most pro-Brexit politicians.

Apraxin
Feb 22, 2006

General-Admiral
Farage's main schtick as a demagogue has always been 'man of the people who dares speak truth to the out of touch elites'. Trump's been hammering on that same theme in all his rallies this past week - Wall Street, big money, globalists, and the media are all part of the same cabal that rigs the system against ordinary Americans, and only an uncorrupted man of the people like me can defeat them. It would make sense to have Farage come and coach him on refining the message, given that he 'won' Brexit.

Don't think it ever got much play in the US, but it came out a few years ago that even in high school Farage was considered a horrible little fascist 'who marched through a quiet Sussex village very late at night singing Hitler Youth songs', so he can probably give helpful tips on how to code white supremacy messages too.

Huzanko
Aug 4, 2015

by FactsAreUseless

Ice Phisherman posted:

Continued from the previous thread:


I asked PJ about this. Seeing as she's reliably predicted the arc of the election over and over again I thought I'd ask her what she thought a Trump loss would look like. When I asked her this was her prediction:


To me, a trained political scientist, this is a hard pill to swallow. The only thing that gets me to accept this as a possibility is that PJ has been reliably correct over and over again. I had no idea where this election was going or why it got where it was for months. We'd all just arrive at bizarre outcomes over and over again and the only person who I've found (so far and so far in the past) who has predicted the election with any degree of sustained accuracy has been PJ. I went back and read some of her earlier predictions. It seemed crazy at the time. The above seems crazy to me now, but not out of the question like I thought just a few months ago.

It's my belief that Trump is a mentally ill person who believes his own bullshit and has ridden a political wave to where he is now. If I accept PJ's prediction as true then enough crazy people are going to listen to Trump that if/when he loses that there are going to be sporadic acts of right wing terrorism. My original prediction was that time would be the greatest limiting factor as we're now just shy of a month away. While that might not mean a Mondale wipeout, him acting like a crazy person and inciting his followers to violence doesn't have such a strict time limit on it as people are still going to listen to him, though the remaining ones are going to grow increasingly angry and disconnected from reality as each event of violence leaves fewer and fewer of them.

The reason why I think it'll fizzle out in the end is that like TapTheForwardAssist said, people are mostly comfortable right now. They're going to be angry, but only the craziest true believers will do anything about it. The rest will just talk poo poo.


If all of this happens as laid out though it means we're heading for a political realignment. Trump is the result (some may say end result, but I'm not convinced) of the GOP and the right feeding their voters a steady diet of fear, hate and paranoia for generations. Most politicians never believed this. Those that did were outliers. But their voters did, or at least enough of them. Dogwhistle racism is not only a way to be racist without being called one, but dogwhistling is also a training tool. It helps prepare for actual commands. Trump went from dogwhistle racism to actual racism and his followers are eating it up because "he tells it like it is" and "isn't afraid to be politically incorrect".

My only hope is that if PJ is correct, that it goes further, smashes the GOP and we can have a total realignment. The GOP in a few years becomes a party that I could see myself voting for because they're no longer racist, sexist, homophobic, wealth hording or bedroom invading. Maybe they're a little lovely, but I'd no longer be trapped voting for democrats because they're not totally incompetent and abusive.

Plenty of people who have knowledge of the modern GOP, their base, and Trump have predicted how this election cycle would go. It shouldn't surprise anyone who isn't delusional. PJ, for whatever reason, is just taken more seriously than anyone else.

I believe Chris Hedges even has a couple articles from years ago predicting someone like Trump coming along. I really like PJ's posts but let's not pretend she's the only one who's been predicting Trump and what would happen this cycle.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Hillary: You think you can defeat me? You don't even know which one of me is real! Am I here... or am I over here?! [fires energy blast]

Trump: D-dammit! Her technique... it's incredible! She's draining my chi! I need to hold a rally, and fast!

straight up brolic
Jan 31, 2007

After all, I was nice in ball,
Came to practice weed scented
Report card like the speed limit

:homebrew::homebrew::homebrew:

Garage's rhetorical style is to be a gigantic middle finger that has 80% of people say "what a loving oval office" and the other 20% say "finally someone who tells it like it is", dunno how Donny benefits from someone like that.

VH4Ever
Oct 1, 2005

by sebmojo

cant cook creole bream posted:

His source was this video where the guy says the opposite in the first 30 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzeEttm2CF4

Wow. This says a lot. That whole "I've been staring at these for 16 hours" bit should be a red flag to any logical, not stupid person that this video is made by a delusional loon seeing things that are not there. Clear case of confirmation bias: you start with an insane assumption, then only dig for evidence that supports the foregone conclusion.

Don't try to use this logic with your friend though. He's stupid.

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

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Zwabu posted:

So what are examples of "twofer" states where Clinton campaign efforts both help her win a swing state and also help a close Senate race?

-North Carolina
-Nevada
-New Hampshire
-PA
-?Possibly Florida?

Unfortunately the Ohio Senate race doesn't look competitive, nor does the Presidential race in Indiana.

Related to this I've seen a few people Arzying that the Clinton campaign is pulling out of Ohio and focusing on Florida and NC instead. Given that Ohio seems to be a demographical uphill battle and the Senate race looks like a lost cause, it makes far more sense to focus on Florida with its juicy 29 EV and minority population, and both have winnable Senate races. Ohio is not going to put her over 270, it's going to be a nice bonus prize like Florida was in 2012.

In general terms having an election strategy that relies on swinging a set of states that are demographically close to each other is risky because you are basically putting all your eggs in one basket. VA and CO are where Clinton has the advantage by way of educated whites; NC by way of the black vote; and FL by way of the minority vote in general. Going full hog on Ohio means you are toast if the white vote shifts.

Endorph posted:

On the other hand, that guy is acknowledging that women like and enjoy sex. That's pretty progressive for the republican party.

I wouldn't go that far. It's a Christian wife's duty to have sex with the husband and the husband is preventing her from doing her duty this way, forcing her to be unchristian.

Inferior Third Season
Jan 15, 2005

This is like in Arrested Development. The Republicans think an obvious idiot is smart, just because they have a British accent.

a.lo
Sep 12, 2009

What is real? Well let me tell you: Donald Trump is real.

VH4Ever
Oct 1, 2005

by sebmojo

Lightning Knight posted:

Considering how much of a monumental idiot Farage is I consider this to be a good development. It certainly doesn't indicate Trump is looking for a nuanced or more articulate performance.

Is Trump actually going to sit and do the work though? Reports came out that he basically couldn't stay focused for more than a little while and got bored with the Ailes-led prep because he sincerely thinks he doesn't need it.

So that, if true, is amazing. Because if you've seen Game Change you know even SARAH PALIN was able to be coached for a debate.

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Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

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into the sunset



Noam Chomsky posted:

Plenty of people who have knowledge of the modern GOP, their base, and Trump have predicted how this election cycle would go. It shouldn't surprise anyone who isn't delusional. PJ, for whatever reason, is just taken more seriously than anyone else.

I believe Chris Hedges even has a couple articles from years ago predicting someone like Trump coming along. I really like PJ's posts but let's not pretend she's the only one who's been predicting Trump and what would happen this cycle.

Sorry if I wasn't more clear. I wasn't saying PJ is the only one, I just said she was the only one who I read who'd been predicting events with anything approaching accuracy. When I really started really paying attention people in the media had given up proclaiming the end of his political career after they were wrong half a dozen times.

If you have those articles to share I'd be appreciative though. Could you provide a link please?

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