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Oh, cool, it's a LP for this game. Guess I don't have to worry about which one not to do next (you know, when I eventually finish updating mine). Interesting choice made going from A -> B, when I played I did the opposite. It's interesting what that changes given what you know of the days leading up to the event and the general background. It probably is a better idea to start in A, however, given how you start with knowing literally nothing. I'm not sure why people seem to dislike/be confused by the SSS so much, but that might be due to me finishing the game. It's always been related to "trust in X". In the previous one, if you put Watase's self-belief on the same level as everyone else, he doesn't feel the need to take massive risks in oxygen-deficient air to save them. In this one, if it's set to low, he doesn't believe he'll last too much longer (lacks trust in himself), and turns around. In the one with the fire rollover, if low, he doesn't believe in his own abilities to help and follows Kazami's instructions to get out instead. It's just really situation-specific, so each situation has to be analyzed individually based on what's been said recently. There is one bit where it gets a little weird, however, which I might bring up when we get there. Also I'm pretty sure everyone aligns with their respective Enneagram personality, from my cursory check.
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They do cover this in one of the game's handy dandy informational files, so we'll see it talked about eventually.
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TheMcD posted:Right now, everybody should be largely fine if we accept AD as something that a) completely neutralizes all acute radiation intake below 4000 mSv and b) counteracts accumulated radiation at a similar level. However, poo poo's going up, we're already at 3000 mSv in general, and for that matter, they've already been through some more contaminated zones. Watase and Jun spent a few minutes in a zone that had about 9000 mSv, so they took in about 5000 mSv right there for a few minutes. Reminder that the Procyon's measuring mSv/hour. The way AD's been described, it utterly eliminates 4000 mSv/hour while it's up. Radiation exposure posted:10000 mSv...100 percent death rate So yeah, they were in a zone that was 5000 mSv/hour for 5 minutes max (probably less, given it took them a while to find it and Watase woke up 5 minutes past that section's start), meaning that at most they took in ~420 mSv of radiation. In the long term, it'll probably be bad, but for now they're fine.
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Nov 13, 2016 00:20
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Man, that document. I have to say that sometimes this game is a pain to make comments about.
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Nov 15, 2016 05:35
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Oh hi there Hiyama.TheMcD posted:How do you think I feel? I loving love making oblique hints about things to come in my LPs, but in this case, I have to completely zip my mouth for this one. I think the only thing I can safely say at this point is that this looks really different when you come through A for the first time instead of doing B first.
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Nov 16, 2016 00:29
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When I did my playthrough, I got scenes with Ena. I am roughly certain they did not affect the overall outcome of the game, but we'll see when we get to that point.
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Nov 20, 2016 13:36
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Oh man it's this part. I don't mind saying this was...interesting...when I first played through it given what I knew from Before. It was also at this point that I realized that despite all I knew, I still knew basically nothing.
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Nov 25, 2016 19:05
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Heh, I remember when this came up. This came just when I'd thought I'd figured out who everyone was and what they had hidden.
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Dec 1, 2016 01:27
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I maintain that this is probably my favourite bad ending.
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Dec 1, 2016 22:33
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Glazius posted:I'm pretty sure that little revelation is supposed to make you think "no loving way" so it's all good. Depends on whether you're inclined to trust her already or not.
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Dec 2, 2016 07:44
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I'm going to note one thing while I enjoy this - that's back along Watase's original route, around the spot he parted with Ukita. As you may have noticed, there was not a body there at that time.
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Dec 3, 2016 08:18
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Just noticed this, but you've been pulling the wrong Ena portraits for a while to use as her standard portraits. When I went through this, I ended up having a higher Sense for Ena than the LP did, so this wasn't quite as much of a shock to as it's been to everyone else. Can't say it hasn't been highly amusing watching the reactions, though - I've been waiting for this point to come along.
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Dec 3, 2016 22:04
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TheMcD posted:Hm? I've always been using the same image for Ena. You're going to have to elaborate on that one. Those are...slightly pulled from a different route.
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Dec 3, 2016 22:28
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SSNeoman posted:It might just be the Rage Virus or whatever affecting Watase, just like it's affecting Jun, Ukita, and maybe Salyu (stupid loving name IMO) Out of curiosity, you do know Salyu's not her actual name, right?
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CirclMastr posted:Obviously to fix the ghost reactor, Watase has to become a ghost himself! I will point out that all the way at the beginning, it shows that Root A has a ton of possible endings (I never ended up getting all of them myself). This includes every bad ending you can get. Obviously this is leading to a specific ending, but I'll leave it up to you what sort of ending it means. I will also note that trying to put everyone on max would not have worked so far with the decisions you've seen.
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There's an interesting line that's come up in this ending that I'm surprised no one's mentioned yet. We'll address it soon enough. In the meantime, continuing high consumption of popcorn. whitehelm posted:There is one good reason for a player to move onto Route B actually. If you have Route B completed, an extra decision point unlocks after Yuuri's body mysteriously disappears. LPwise it's not worth showing off at all because literally the only difference is they skip searching for Yuuri and go straight back to the lab. Gamewise however you avoid the biggest time waster and have a much easier time avoiding this ending (it might not even be possible to mess up after that). It's definitely still possible to hit this route through a decision point that vanished as a result of us messing up. Cyouni fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Dec 9, 2016 |
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Huh. I'd swear there was a decision point in the room with Ena which I voluntarily chose to fail at some point. Maybe it only happens if you follow Ena around for her events/have done Root B already. POOL IS CLOSED posted:
To be fair, it is slightly safer than having her wandering around with people trying to kill her - see what happened in Normal End. And you totally know she'd follow Watase out if she had the chance.
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Asphyxiating people is not a safe way to render them unconscious. There's no safe way to do that. And leaving an unconscious person unsupervised is dangerous as hell for them -- what the christ, Watase?
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The Brave Decision is pretty drat great every time it comes up. POOL IS CLOSED posted:Oh, that's significantly more. Based on that, I found this paper which includes a time to scald chart from the American Burn Association. Three minutes of exposure at 52 C (per the chart) for a 3rd degree burn. Yikes. Not to mention that's not in any way a short walk underwater.
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Dec 12, 2016 21:27
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This is the main thing I mentioned earlier that I was surprised no one picked up on. Kazami briefly touched on it during Normal End, but it was kind of overshadowed by the rest of the path.
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I'm going to vote for B2. It's really jarring to jump into Root B, which in my opinion makes it a better leadup to Root A. Better to minimize the discord. Root B is a background route that takes a while to get going, with some exceptions. Early on, though, Root B is slooooooow. Interesting, but slow.
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Dec 14, 2016 20:16
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GeneralYeti posted:Why does this game love describing how Watase burns to death in exquisite detail? I mean, I'm not saying he didn't earn it by being a colossal idiot, but it's starting to veer into a little too much information. Sometimes you might want to watch Watase burn to death in exquisite detail.
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Dec 18, 2016 00:12
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OddHaberdasher posted:Seeing these friendship scenes is like, well....Best Buddy Jun is Best Buddy (derangement notwithstanding) but seeing the Ena scenes is making me feel like a right heel. Yeah, I had a significantly higher opinion of Ena when I went through this than you guys did.
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Junpei posted:Guys, just a theory, but in the future, be on the lookout for the numbers 4, 9, 16 and 25. 36, 49, 64, 81 and 100 as well. Just a hunch. Actually, just watch out for all numbers. Almost every number can be a Root Double.
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TheMcD posted:
I haven't actually seen this scene myself, but I feel the part after the ellipsis is Watase's line.
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Dec 27, 2016 05:51
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W-well... Please! This could the key to unlocking more memories, right?
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It's actually really easy. Problem is that it's all in reference to optional scenes, and it's hard to actually provide the answer to it (and other interesting factoids) without resorting to spoiler bars. We'll get there eventually, but if you want the early answer, leave me your email or something and I'll send you the references. EDIT: I don't have PMs, or I'd just send one. Cyouni fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Jan 1, 2017 |
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AweStriker posted:I'm conflicted over whether the fact that barely any information is presented about Mashiro's taste in anime is a good thing or a bad thing. Mashiro has good taste. That's all I'll say on the matter.
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OddHaberdasher posted:Also, don't think I didn't notice miss 'Green haired acquaintance of Watase' in that office shot, even if we only saw the back of her head. I have to ask: who? I see her in the picture, but why would you think she has a connection to Watase?
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TheMcD posted:
This's a little tricky to visually catch.
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Me? When was I ever stem with you...?
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SSNeoman posted:Oh bullshit game. A cold girl we have no reason to like, know or trust starts living with us and you expect us to just accept her? What's the point of this system then? Yes, and no comment.
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TheMcD posted:Well, the point of the system, in a way, is to make the main character feel the "right" way about characters in order to have him survive, even if it's not conform with his values up to this point. If it were Watase or Natsuhiko making the decisions, they'd just gently caress up and die, as we've seen many times now. It's up to us to make them not gently caress up, even though their innate desire to gently caress up makes that hard at times. Interestingly enough, you also apparently weren't trusting enough to unlock the friendship scenes. So you were apparently somewhat trusting but not trusting enough. Similarly interesting, I got into this bad end by favouring Mashiro over Salyu, even though Salyu was highish as well.
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Yes, this scene is where you first get the reference to 'sairuiu', or tear rain. It's also a hint to 'Altair' and 'bridge of wings', but the full reference comes later.
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TheMcD posted:And of course, the flock of magpies pretty much has to be referring to Watase - see also, the extra bit with Yuuri I posted during the chapter Hug. This is the only other time that a name was really brought up as significant, and Salyu seems to be big into names and their meanings. I will point out that Salyu's line is specifically referring to the 'bridge of bird wings'. To make life easier on people, I will say that the answer to Salyu's question at the end of the message won't be possible to answer for a while.
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freshlybaked posted:Considering Route After ended with a cliffhanger, it's rather certain Route Before will too, then comes a route where they merge. Assuming the structure of the story isn't totally lopsided in Natsuhiko's favour. I will say I enjoyed going from B to A, but going from A to B is definitely the ideal way of doing it. Given people have already noticed and commented on the discrepancy between the amount of endings in each route and the amount of endings overall, it's safe to say that Route B isn't the end.
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Explosions posted:The book Mashiro is talking about is Up The Walls Of The World, about psychic mind-swaps and a military lab studying telepathy. Huh. Never knew that. Is the in-shop scene physically impossible to get on a first playthrough, or did it need max Favor? OddHaberdasher posted:Also, drat it Ena, your hallucination talk has just confirmed something I was already paranoid about. By the way, what exactly did you mean here? Cyouni fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Jan 20, 2017 |
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TheMcD posted:I assume the in-shop scene is Salyu's friendship scene for the chapter. It's totally possible to get, it just requires perfect Favor management. That would indeed explain it. On the plus side, it's not connected to any of the other ones so you don't really need it to collect the other friendship scenes.
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Pollyanna posted:I can vouch for the deliciousness of Chaliapin steak. This game may or may not have been the reason I tried my hand at making some a little while back.
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SSNeoman posted:High Natsuhiko, top everyone else Suffice it to say: Mashiro isn't an idiot. Trust in Mashiron. Also he's not avoiding dealing with it because it's dangerous, he's avoiding dealing with it because he doesn't want to reach beyond his little bubble.
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SSNeoman posted:I dunno, I don't get that vibe myself. Like despite how much we're in Natsuhiko's head he hasn't shown to be much of a wimp and has been level-headed in almost every situation. Like okay he likes his peaceful life but so what? Mashiro is almost autistic in how much she prizes kid-Natsuhiko and doesn't seem to understand or value his feelings despite obviously liking him a lot. Like he's dealing with a PTSD Yuuri and a cold absentee mother who treats him like a lab experiment. I don't blame him for not trying to play hero. I will point out every time he tries to retreat back into his bubble, it's led to a bad end so far. Fail to reach out to Salyu, dead. Fail to trust Salyu, dead. Fail to trust in Mashiro enough, dead. I will also say that certain points in the route amuse me, and I will be happy to point out why once it's safe.
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TheMcD posted:
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(At the very least, it looks like they're serious about the dangerous object... Then assuming there really is a terrorist or whatever... what if Mashiro went to search for them and actually ran into them...? Impossible. Such a stupid coincidence could never happen!)
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Haifisch posted:Yeah, it stinks of retroactive reasoning - Mashiro was technically right, so obviously Natsuhiko was a cowardly idiot for not running off to fight terrorists. Nevermind that most of the kids end up dying in the LABO disaster anyway. I will point out that there are still two full days before the explosion at LABO. A lot of things can happen in two days.
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