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Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

i started on emperor's domination recently, and it is more generic wuxia trash aside from two parts i really like. first, you know how in the worst wuxia wn's there is always a borderline omniscient guide character (usually an animal)? in ed, the protagonist is one of those only he already raised a shitload of absurd wuxia protagonists. second, everything about cultivation is hilarious gibberish. in one scene, alchemy is done by taking a naturally occurring cauldron that is also alive and using it as a blender with the cauldron's intrinsic flame as a blade. the cauldron is spun around by the "medicine treasure", which had never been mentioned before then and was never explained. then the guy had to jump inside the cauldron to bathe in the medicine so that he could grow a tiny metallic fist inside of his heart. this is a routine process that every cultivator has to do.

i can't help but love poo poo that ridiculous.

It also helps that the narrative calls the MC on him being a giant, arrogant shitheel, instead of the narrative falling over itself to excuse the MC behaving just like all the antagonists. Of course the MC being a shitheel doesn't really have any negative repercussions, but in Xianxia, that is hardly surprising.

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Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

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SerSpook posted:

It really depends. I recall him wanting to avoid killing people precisely due to their backing a few times actually. But he also does the opposite several times too. For Meng Hao such speeches are simply a fact of cultivation life, and he basically decides if the risk of offending a group is worth the reward. Sometimes that reward is proving a point as opposed to something material.

To be honest Meng Hao isn't really meant to be moral anyway, or I don't think he is. He typically hasn't had backing but, time and again he acts the classic young master when given the chance. It feels self-aware in a way other xianxia protagonists don't.

It's not so much that Meng Hao feels self-aware(though he is compared to most Xianxia protagonists), but rather that the writing is self-aware. When Meng Hao acts like a self-interested little poo poo, the writing reflects that, instead of something like MGA or ATG, where the protagonists are just as reprehensible as the antagonists, or worse, and the writers fall over themselves to fellate them as paragons of virtue.

Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

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Is the title meant to be 'Leveling up is making me invincible'? Because that title is ehhh

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Apr 11, 2009

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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

see, i just don't understand the urge to become famous so i don't get the wn's where that is the only goal. it seems so petty and banal to me, somehow even more so than naked power fantasies.

I think a lot of it is to manufacture drama. It's why no protagonist with super secret powers or knowledge just hides out for years building their powerbase, but instead constantly stick their hands into situations where they really shouldn't.

Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

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In most Xianxia stories, you'll generally see females dodging while the men use their manly testosterone qi to tank blows. Notable exceptions include novels with assassin protagonists(though even those tend to have quite a bit of facetanking) and well written stories.

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Apr 11, 2009

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Argas posted:

Well, it's not like that stuff is exclusively limited to WNs.

A big reason why we see so many poo poo WNs translated to English is the simple prose in them are relatively easy to run through a translator and clean up. Add some fetishes and low effort translating suddenly turns into something the machine translators can net decent donations out of.

Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

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Blaming lovely characters on harems is silly. If it wasn't a harem story, chances are the characters would still be lovely. That most members of harems tend to lack agency isn't something inherent to harems, most one true love WN stories suffer from the exact same issue.

Also, we're reading male oriented wish fulfillment stories for the most part. That the female characters tend to be doormats should not come as a shock.

Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

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Ytlaya posted:

(or had some sort of internal conflict where he wasn't sure who to choose).

This is one of the most annoying things about dense/supreme good guy protagonists. You'd think it would add drama, but it's just an excuse to have more ladies throw themselves at the MC without anyone actually committing. Internal conflict is great when it is actually resolved, but the vast majority of JP characters deal with serious internal conflict by going "oh well, something external will happen so I don't have to deal with this" and the story goes on without anything changing. I'm not sure if I prefer the CN method of dealing with it(not having any) or the KR way(ignore it and keep grinding until supreme power solves it) over it though.

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Apr 11, 2009

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Ragging on something for being dragged out in the same sentence as you praise MT is all sorts of weird. It took an entire god drat arc for the retarded "Oh, how strange. I'm attracted to a boy. Who looks like I girl I know. By the by, green loving hair that my childhood friend got ragged on constantly for" plotline to die a horrible death.

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Everybody loves large chests is my current dirty pleasure. The prologue is great.

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blastron posted:

mods please rename thread to "Web Novel megathread: Since I read poo pooty things for fun,"

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Apr 11, 2009

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Ytlaya posted:

Once you remove the pedo misogyny slave apologia from Shield Hero there's nothing left.

Hey. Hey. It also has regular slave misogyny apologia as well.

Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

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Tornhelm posted:

It's not? I know I've stopped reading novels because of their anti-adblock protection being a pain in the rear end, and I'm not disabling my adblock just so their special snowflake of a site can bombard me with pop ups/unders, redirects and NSFW ads that screw with my phone while im on break at work.

Yeah, not running an adblock on your phone is an excellent way to have poo poo installed and running down your data allowance all in one go. For a while Wuxiaworld, arguably the best site for CN and KR novels in pretty much every way, got stuck with video ads that ate 500 or so megs per pageload if you left the page open for whatever reason. The other sites tend to be worse.

Edit: RRL :psyduck:

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So my story is pretty cliche killed by the gods, reincarnated into a different world I even get a status screen. Yeah this story is probably not gonna stand out very well so whats different well I'm a plant, still not enough my status screen looks more like a base builder in strategy games, need more how about my growth rate is so fast I can grow 100 meters faster than an Olympic Athlete can run it. Now your interested click to read about how I Joseph Phisher a sentient plant shows the world who's really top of the food chain.

Warning This fiction contains:
Sexual Content

This piece of fiction has 4+ stars and the rather innocuous name 'Watching grass grow' :smithicide:

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ShinsoBEAM! posted:

Death March just feels like a bland pile of nothing, I got like 80 chapters in before dropping and I can't remember anything that actually happened.

MC going to a bordello instead of boning his harem of slaves was a nice change of pace, though I expect it will be "in addition to" soon enough

Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

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I want to read a VR or reincarnation story where the MC picks a big monstrous race like ogre or giant or whatever not for rapist fun times but because physics is a stone cold bitch and the mass and momentum of an appropriately sized weapon for one of them would be absurd. Also because the idea of a regular sized person blocking a gigantic anything with a shield is hilarious. The authors for the poo poo we read seem to like making the MC a special snowflake so make his special snowflakeyness be having the balls to pick being an ogre and just have them ragdoll everyone forever.

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Apr 11, 2009

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Tamba posted:

Only Sense Online

OSO is great. The only niggle I have with it is how everyone views the skill with attack and defense buffs you can cast on anyone a low tier skill. It'd be so mandatory in a raid group in an actual MMO, but somehow the MC is the only one using it.

Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

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I wish you'd all stop this conflict. When I observe it, the arms on my chair turn to dust.

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Myriad Truths posted:

I am so shocked by your shamelessness towards the sect that I am also vomiting blood, but metaphorically.

Not figuratively? I mostly find my blood vomit to be figurative.

Cynic Jester
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SerSpook posted:

i vomited blood and a drop of it got on a fellow daoist's least valuable treasure, he refined the souls of my entire family to strengthen that treasure as punishment

At least it was just your family and not the entire city. Rare to see that sort of restraint these days. Back in my days, a few million years ago...

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Bakanogami posted:

I just read through Risou no Himo Seikatsu and was quite pleasantly surprised by it. It hadn't sounded very promising from the title and premise, but sucked me in good.

The best part is all the readers complaining about the MC being a typical beta MC with no ambition, when the title translates to The ideal gigolo life.

Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

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Organized religion has a spotty history at best, so the assumption that organized religion in a different world would also be a gathering point for ginormous dickbags with delusions of grandeur isn't really a stretch.

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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

hey, as wish fulfillment goes that's positively quaint compared to most isekai stuff

Not a single mention of slavery in the description. What is this genre coming to?

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Apr 11, 2009

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Jon Joe posted:

Apparently Webnovel dot com (Qidian) released a new platform last month for releasing English original web novels. There’s the normal version where you just use it as a platform for your story, keep the copyright, and might get paid some pittance if you’re lucky, and then there’s a contract version where you sign over the copyright, get paid a minimum of 400 dollars a month (more if you’re popular), oh and their minimum monthly word output is 120,000. 120,000 words. Per. Month.

I'll gladly submit 120,000 words per month for 400 dollars. Granted, all of them will be the word "gently caress" but there will be 120,000 of them, every month, guaranteed.

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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

i don't really understand translating erotic fiction. like, there's plenty in your native language already, no matter what that language may be. heck, as google just confirmed this includes esperanto.

But it wouldn't be made by the glorious nihonjin senseis of Japan, who have perfected the art of incredibly hosed up poo poo.

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Annointed posted:

Is German porn that depraved?

Helga, ich komme.

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Apr 11, 2009

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King's Avatar is super chill, but it's not something I can binge read, because so much stuff is draaaaaaaaagged out super hard. I enjoy the humor in it most of the time and it really doesn't feel like a CN story.

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Apr 11, 2009

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Piell posted:

Meditate/eat magic pills to level up your chi and learn magic powers and become stronger/more immortal. Has very defined levels and ranks. Everyone is impossibly arrogant and an rear end in a top hat towards the PC who is generally just as much as an rear end in a top hat who is presented as nevertheless in the right to murder them all over the place. The protagonist has some cheat item or ability that makes them level much faster and stomps all the people who were jerks to them in the past, then this continues every time they level up. Fights are incredibly boring descriptions of how they wave their hands to summon mountains to crush the other guy who is knocked back a dozen paces and coughs up a mouthful of blood, then the second guy waves their hands to summon the Immortal Binding Golden Sky to throw lightning at the first guy. Meanwhile whatever one of the non-entity future harem members is around exclaims how amazing the protagonist is.

The best parts are the overly poetic names the characters keep giving their moves. poo poo like Evanescent Sunlight Eclipses The Supreme Soul should be some Final Fantasy Summon level poo poo, but most of the time it's just the Attack or Defend command.When literal 'punch a guy' move has 5+ words in the name that have nothing to do with actually punching someone I can't help but roll my eyes.

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sunken fleet posted:

Are there any Chinese novels with female leads that are good and aren't "romance"?

My Disciple died yet again is probably the best one I've read.

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I Was Just an Only Child Boy, Now I Became One of a Four Quadruplet Sisters

Oh japan.

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Devourer of Destiny is a typical overpowered xianxia story, only the MC is well aware that he and all other cultivators are sociopaths and rolls with it. The early chapters have a lot of edgy edge edginess for the sake of edge, but it improves greatly once the focus moves from doing evil to do evil and instead becomes doing whatever because it is expedient.

Forge of Destiny has been discussed to death. Is good.

The other three I've started reading, but dropped for reasons I can't remember, I only know I've started them because RRL remembers the last chapter I read and all of them sit at single digit chapters.

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Sovreign of the Three Realms is my guilty pleasure. But good lord does it have some stupid world building moments, even for a xianxia story. You can swear by the heavens, and if you lie, you get struck by lightning and die. Yet everybody lies and the culture surrounding lies is remarkably similar to our own. The MC gets accused of something, swears by the heavens and for some reason there are still people doubting it. Or opponents refusing to swear, and nobody calling them out on it being shifty as gently caress. And then it gets forgotten about, remembered a couple of hundred chapters later and then forgotten about again.

But I can't stop reading it.

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Jester Mcgee posted:

This is a bit off topic, but I think this is the best thread for it. Does anyone have any ideas for systems to check out if I’m looking to run a Xianxia tabletop game? I was thinking Exalted maybe?

Exalted is your best bet for out of the box flavor, with a core resource being named Essence and so forth.

Edit: Some quick googling shows quite a few Wuxia RPGs but they don't seem to have cultivation as a core focus.

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Now I want to see "I was reborn as the savior, but my Godfather wants me to sacrifice my life"

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Darth Walrus posted:

Are there any decent modern wuxia/xianxia themed games? That seems like that natural medium for the kind of storytelling they go for.

I had fun with tale of wuxia, even with all its quirks.

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Megazver posted:

There's also The Scroll of Taiwu which seems to be popular among Chinese Steam users.

I tried it with the english mod translation, and while playable, a whole bunch of stuff isn't translated and won't be until the game is further in development and poo poo is locked down. This is includes most tutorial messages. So unless you can read Chinese, I'd hold off for now.

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The bots worked for me :shrug:

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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

reddit killed qidian underground

The discord is still up, it's just the subreddit that kept getting DMCA'd.

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They're calling this the waiting room discord, but I'm not sure if it's waiting for a discord invite or waiting for a new site.

https://discord.gg/Emb2eeF

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What's your tolerance for poo poo fiction? Most of the popular translated cultivator novels are real bad.

Coiling Dragon is probably a decent gateway. It's not good, but it's not awful and it is completed.

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It refers to cycling your energy, a reference to moving it around your body for a full cycle. In most cultivation stories, it is both how you get more powerful, as each cycle incrementally increases your overall power, but can also be done in combat to do stuff better.

I'm being vague, because there's really no one size fits all and most stories tend to have their own slight variations on it.

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