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Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Really enjoyed the first episode. Hopefully Victor will be introducing Yuri to the wonderful world of performance enhancing drugs.

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Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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You mean Yurio, right?

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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https://twitter.com/soukatsu_/status/786265092673245188

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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I like that we are seeing more of that former bully character. He seems pretty cool.

Yurio is gonna be devastated.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Definitely some production issues with this episode. But we can forgive some wobbles Yuri On Ice, if you have good PCS!

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Jul 5, 2007

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Okuyasu Nijimura posted:

I mean there's going to be some dramatic hook at some point - that is just how plotting works - but it was bizarre to me that it wasn't even "I wonder if," it was just flat out "viktor is 100% abusive, see what he's doing there? abusive" and oh gosh. :( Hey :(

I should be used to it by now since I'm pretty active in the jojo fandom there and if you like the "wrong" character it's a Real Rough Ride.

People's personal experiences are different and I can understand how Victor's on screen disregard of personal space can feel dangerously off to some people. To me it seems clear that their intimacy is building off of stuff we don't see on camera, but I can see that other perspective.

Otherwise anime is pretty melodramatic...

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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THEY loving DID IT.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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The rest of the episode today was also really good. I loved how they touched on the other skaters, implying they had their own adventures to get to this point.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Georgi is more pathetic than sympathetic. I wonder how he managed to convince his ex to come see his performance.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Some interviews about the sound direction in this show

https://atmafunomena.wordpress.com/2016/11/24/yuri-on-ice-staff-interview-sound-of-silence-newtype-part-i/

https://atmafunomena.wordpress.com/2016/12/01/yuri-on-ice-staff-interview-sound-of-silence-newtype-part-ii/

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Okay, Yuri on Ice now has the best ED this season.

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Jul 5, 2007

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Someone suggested that some of the moves in Yuri's Eros program might be based on Yuri's banquet dance, which would be hilarious if true.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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https://twitter.com/kubo_3260/status/806843079244201985

"People in the real world can think of YOI as they will, but in YOI's world, there's no such thing as discrimination for loving something"
"I will most certainly defend this world, and this world alone"

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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I like this theory https://twitter.com/Louise8105/status/806881811619905536

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Congrats Evegnia!

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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My speculation is that the rankings will go 1. Yurio, 2. JJ, 3. Yuri, and Yurio will declare that since a Yuri won this means Victor and Yuri can get married anyway.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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I still think they will end up together and it being raised as a cliffhanger that they might not in the penultimate episode doesn't change that.

I do think that watching Yurio exceed his world record confirmed to Victor that his career as a skater is really, actually, over though. (Edit: And also that this means that he must love Yuri for a reason *other* than his potential as a skater.) That's the expression that Yuri couldn't read.

Poor JJ.

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Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Maera Sior posted:

We have the announcers and the previous routines. We know the quads they can do and what's required for the program. Even if Yurio got +3 on all his GOE, he still wouldn't have enough points with TES capped at 50. Likewise, JJ only performed two of his components, and even if they had been +3 he still wouldn't have enough.

Someone suggested that Yurio's arms over his head added substantially to the point value of his jumps. I could buy that as a change to the system. As to how JJ got that many points when he shouldn't have received any for his singles, clearly something is different.

Maybe the judges were moved?

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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https://wavemotioncannon.com/2016/12/20/miracle-on-ice-how-mitsuro-kubo-created-her-charactersanimage-january-2017/

Pretty good interview with the creator.

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Jul 5, 2007

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Celery Jello posted:

I don't know much so I assumed it was them straining the resources and leaving some janky frames in?

Picking out weird looking frames or distance shots really doesn't mean anything.

This tweet is a much better example of YoI's production problems:

https://twitter.com/Yuyucow/status/811648700296626181

https://twitter.com/Yuyucow/status/811648869524246529

Yeah they had so little time to work on this final episode that they had more than three key artists per *minute* of the show. That's nuts.

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Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Hopeford posted:

Wonder if the production was a mess from the start or if the finale was like that because they had to redraw a couple scenes to change the last episode to make a season 2 more feasible.

I think we first saw problems with the production with episode um... 4? Where they missed the crunchyroll deadline and ended up submitting a preliminary version that hadn't had final checks and some post-processing done. I think it's been a difficult production all the way through.

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Jul 5, 2007

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Hopeford posted:

Huh I didn't know about that. I only started watching once the anime was around episode 9 or 10, so I must've missed that. How big were the differences between the final version and that one? Did they ever end up fixing the cruncyroll version?

I think it was mostly minor stuff. Reworked fog in the bathhouse scenes, a few faces got reworked to be more on model, I think one character was wearing the wrong costume in a bit.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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I imagine JJ lacks PCS. He has a lot of technical prowess but doesn't sell the beauty.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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You think YoI would be improved by using CGI for the skating scenes? :raise:

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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https://twitter.com/Aki_the_geek/status/818368456055631872

https://twitter.com/Aki_the_geek/status/818368682430582785

https://twitter.com/Aki_the_geek/status/818368846281117696

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Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Michiko and Hatchin is legitimately amazing and it's a crying shame so few have even heard of it.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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To be fair YoI did have some very well animated bits, it could be that the heights of the show are more memorable than the low points.

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Jul 5, 2007

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Unmature posted:

Mob Psycho has some stellar animation, but most of it is standard limited anime movement, just well rendered. If the small pockets of amazing animation are what makes it a winner, the same could be said for YOI. It doesn't need to 100% be incredible, but there are enough incredible parts vs bland/bad parts.

Sure, but I think what MP100 has over YoI is basically a much bigger bag of tricks (especially if you pay attention to really advanced techniques like different parts of shots being animated at different frame rates, shots done in different media etc) and basically the absence of any low points of production failure. It's really at the cutting edge of a lot of innovations in 2D animation. YoI has good shots but roughly speaking it's basically a re-implementation of techniques we saw previously in that Japan Animator Expo short.

To steal a term, MP100 really "knocks the lamp" in a bunch of ways in its fights.

Fangz fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Jan 11, 2017

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Unmature posted:

Eh I guess. I'm a few episodes in to MP100 and nothing has made me feel even close to the way that the first three episodes of YOI did and that was definitely bolstered by the animation. Like I'm watching a couple eps a week and I was ravenous for YOI and a lot of that was I just needed to see more pretty boys. And "animation" is a pretty broad term that doesn't just mean technical tricks. Was costume design its own category? I'd roll that into there if not. And the emotion displayed by the characters in YOI is in a whole different league from the few different emotions we see in MP100.

I think you really should finish MP100. The themes and emotional stakes of the show only later become clear.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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That is really awesome, yeah.

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Jul 5, 2007

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