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A few other useful links: This Stack of Infographics helpfully shows off important stat breakpoints, stacking buff combinations, and elemental and status resist or boosting relics. Upcoming translated banners can always be found up to date here. https://www.ffrkcentral.com Has become pretty useful, along with KBP, as a more generalized knowledge base and news site for the game. Chevy Slyme fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Oct 9, 2016 |
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Kylra posted:I could do it with native wall, proshellga and one of my medicas easily because I can take them out fast enough one by one. I just don't have native wall. Or a lot of aoe. If you want I can put up an FF8 geared Lightning RW that should be able to near singlehandedly clear waves two and three with maybe a biongrenade and a summon to back it up.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:54
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Dr Pepper posted:Huh, I just noticed there's a big hole in my FFIX Synergy. Both of the IX characters that have Support can only use Daggers and Spears. The first 9 banner is a much stronger banner overall. Quina's hairpin is a Shout magnitude boostga, Eiko and Beatrix bursts are legit... Not to mention a strong Freya SSB spear, Kuja's enDark gloves, and a second holy sword in Steiner's Excalibur. Banner two doesn't come close. Chevy Slyme fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Oct 9, 2016 |
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Oct 9, 2016 06:36
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Dr Pepper posted:But I want a spear. The spear on banner one is better than the spear on banner two.
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Oct 9, 2016 06:41
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Kylra posted:That would be cool. I can probably annihilate the U+ due to holy vulnerability, but I just can't quite stay alive well enough in the U to clear it without a ton of reloads and going through a 10 minute first round to build up gauge (or using a mythril and hoping I can actually clear it before monday). Closest I have gotten is about 1/2 through the last wave. It's not entirely out of reach, just a huge pain to get. 9qBd is Lightning with ~515 FF8 synergy attack, Crushing Blow, and +20% thunder damage. Good luck!
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Oct 9, 2016 06:43
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Kylra posted:IT'S FINALLY DEAD AFTER LIKE 70 ATTEMPTS. Grats!
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Panic! at Nabisco posted:I would love a Y'shtola BSB but it would kind of conflict with her being my only source of Wall Honestly, there's enough other mitigation, now and coming, that, while Wall never stops being amazing (obviously), the tuning of fights is such that it's much less of a universal mandatory at this point, and there are often compelling reasons to, say, prioritize medicas and such over it. Even more so nice stuff like the Yshtola Burst shows up with damage shield effects or stuff like guts that make OHKO's avoidable without spamming SG all the time.
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Oct 9, 2016 09:33
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ArmadilloConspiracy posted:My Keeper's Choice 2 pull was pretty lackluster. I was hoping for a Shout or a Wall, but instead got Excalibur (V) and Terra's Stardust Rod. I know I should be thankful to have a second BSB, but I rarely use black mages and seem to get the most relics for them. Well then, if you have so many relics for them, consider using them more? We're at the beginning of the era of stacking +Mag buffs and mixed parties and chaingas. No reason to shackle yourself to shout anymore.
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Oct 9, 2016 16:24
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Zebia posted:I have three relics on the ragnarok banner (but no ragnarok), two relics from the keeper's choice banner (Shout but no SG), and one relic from the newest FF7 banner. Should I pull from one of these or just wait until the next OSB? No, don't pull on these unless you're desperately fiending for +fire damage armor from the keepers choice. (And even then, don't, it's a bad reason to pull on it's own.) That said, waiting for the next OSB release isn't neccesarily the right call either. (Though it might be). The Eiko 1 banner in a few days is very strong. Especially if you have Tidus's burst, or still want/need a +holy sword for your Knights to use everywhere.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:18
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Mastered the CM. Hard Mode: my only mage relic for FF7 is a green M-phone. (Easy mode: I have... a bunch of other FF7 gear for physical dudes) RW: Celes Burst Tifa with double lifesiphon that she never used, Burning Arrow, a shared medica, and Ace Striker, mostly used holy damage burst commands. Zack with PC/FC and his Hastega SSB and Mako Might Barrett with Power and Magic Breakdown Cait Sith with Protectga, Curaja, Moogle Dance (full breakdown + heavy regen), and Dr. Mog Cid with Dragoon Combo and Hyper Jump Main thing was being conscious of his HP/ when the core would close and being careful not to waste, say, a Dragoon Jump when the magic breakdown that would close it was half cast. Once I had that timing down and was able to not waste skills I'd need later, it was reasonably straightforward; just took a little bit of luck with minimal stamp out casts after that.
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Oct 10, 2016 15:17
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So, I felt like proving a point, so I just did the U++ CM again with no soul breaks.    Yeah, Cait Sith has a green mphone equipped, but all he did was dance and I didn't use his SB. He could've had Excalipoor for all it mattered. Aeris has her Healing Wind Cura level medica, but the boss died before she had a full SB bar. Basically, I used a Hope BSB RW, Yuffie had Mental Breakdance, Cait Sith Full Breakdance and Magic Breakdance. Reno summoned the RW on round 1 while Vincent used Memento Mori, Vincent used it on round 2. With the BSB's enholy, Full Break and Mental Break on the boss, and two extremely dated synergy rods (they both had about 450 MAG total), Reno was doing ~25k and Vincent was doing ~30-35k per cast of the Hope burst command 1. With about 5 casts from each of them, that's about 250k damage. Throw in another 20k from the two Burst entries and Memento Mori, and Yuffie hitting for 6.5k with Fire Veil (350 Mag + RM does serious work), and down went the boss. Griefor posted:Is there a trick to this? I'm very far from where most of you guys are but I've had some of the battles with timed conditions (like an enemy that swaps elemental weakness), and it'll go enemy switches to weak to fire -> I queue a fire attack -> fire attack charges -> enemy switches weakness to ice -> attack goes off. Same with that FF6 snail that you cannot attack while his head is inside the shell. I really dislike (short!) windows of opportunity that need to be exploited with charged attacks. Because this always happens to me. The core closes at 66/33% HP (or maybe 75/25? Something like that - I trial and errored it a bit. I'm sure the reddit Enemy AI thread has the exact numbers.) which makes it fairly easy to judge by watching his health bar and knowing what your outgoing damageis like.
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Oct 10, 2016 16:10
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Mercury Crusader posted:
See my post above. Not only can you pull off the cid mission with that gear, you might actually have it easier than me.
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Oct 10, 2016 16:22
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bilperkins2 posted:What's the next good FFX banner? I did some accounting and besides I/II/III, X is the only realm where I don't have an SSB or BSB. I'm ok on synergy because I have Tidus's Slice & Dice and Spiral Cut swords, but those SB's are underwhelming now so looking to spend on the next good FFX banner. Tidus OSB, about a month out. Has Wakka's burst as well which is v. good.
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Oct 10, 2016 17:16
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NGDBSS posted:It can also help to have some form of Magic Blink, which allowed Ovelia to save my rear end with Princess's Prayer. It's a PITA but doable if you have the healing/mitigation. It's a waste of two turns all around unless you give somebody retaliate and several other people double cut/TF/materia. Which is a waste in its own right, but I guess you can expose he core a little faster. Honestly, just get a Hope burst RW, bring a bunch of dancers and go to town.
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Oct 10, 2016 18:04
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Twelve by Pies posted:Multi-hit attacks only count as one hit towards the core being exposed, actually. Doctor Mog even says this specifically in the hints, and I went through it myself when Yuffie's 8 hit Bloodfest only brought the count down by 1. Retaliate off of doublecut is an exception. It's enormously wasteful of slots though, really seriously don't do this unless you're, say, giving Seph the 6* samurai skill anyway to complement a R5 lifesiphon and SSB or something. And still even then, don't do it.
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Oct 10, 2016 18:14
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kalensc posted:My VII armors are all Res-based so I'm a bit short in the Def department and thinking of bringing the Atk-Down Dance. Did you need that 2nd ability (Gust?) on Yuffie at all, or could you have gotten by with just the Swift Bolts? I ran it with this comp: with a hope BSB; that said, the extra dance for Yuffie was Mental Breakdance, not power. With Protectga and Multi Break I had enough mitigation for Aeris to heal through it and mainly just needed to get it over before he could cast too many AE's.
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Oct 11, 2016 04:32
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kalensc posted:You used Sheepsong or Hope's BSB? Hope burst. Memento Mori on Vincent was the only Mag boost I had; he was doing ~35k damage per cast of hope burst button 1 with that up and Mental Breakdance. Reno was doing about 25k per cast. Yuffie was doing about 6.5k with fire veil. Only haste I had was butstmode and Aeris's autohaste.
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Oct 11, 2016 05:12
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Uncle Ulty posted:I have all of the Record Materia that I can currently get. Anything that I don't have yet requires leveling characters to 65 and breaking the cap. So I always run with characters that get me closer to that goal. Farming dailies the rest of the week is worth about 2/3rds of a Sunday. Sounds like you've got a concrete objective to work towards!
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Oct 11, 2016 16:54
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kalensc posted:Yeah my VII gear is terrible for this boss, it's almost entirely fists, swords, Planet Protector, and Res+ armor. WIll need to try the Hope BSB RW method to avoid spending a huge amount of orbs. Alexander on Vincent and Meltdown on Reno should be plenty to cover the last two or three rounds and finish him off. You've got ~255k damage from those two bursts, plus, let's be conservative and say another 25 from both entries and Memento mori. That's 280k. He has 310k HP. Let's say you can squeeze out 20k of damage from Yuffie doing ninja magic. That's 300k. One more 9999 v weakness is all you need then. And if Yuffie isn't pulling hr weight, Alexander or Meltdown will.
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Oct 11, 2016 17:08
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Dr Pepper posted:The main reason I'm apprehensive about Eiko 1 is that I'm really afraid I'll only get a third Wizard Rod. Getting a third of an item is very good now. Twice as good as getting a second. Getting a fourth blows though.
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Oct 11, 2016 19:51
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Dr Pepper posted:You can give it to Jecht and have him use Memento Mori and Dark Zone. You joke but I absolutely one hundred percent did this for the Magus Sisters Cid Mission. (Okay I don't have the Cid fist so he carried Ashe's sword. Same difference.)
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Oct 12, 2016 03:09
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IllegallySober posted:As of now, I don't think I have any Lightning-based BSB's except for Rinoa's and I don't think she can use the shield anyway. There's also the new 5* Dragoon skill in a few weeks that is Lightning damage and is absolutely insane.
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Oct 12, 2016 17:32
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IllegallySober posted:I'm not likely to carry multiple Dragoons on a team though- so I'd be better to have an 8* armor than multiple 5* ones, right? Oh I didn't realize you had three of them. Yeah, in general, two of an item, keep seperate, 3 of an item, combine, is the proper MO in this era, IMO, so long as you can afford the dark matter and Gil.
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Oct 12, 2016 18:39
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Kylra posted:I can't put together a decent black mage party for Diamond Weapon. All I have for mag is Hope's Skycutter. I do, however, have 3 whm medica relics, a shared mnd medica relic, 5 characters of decent level that can cast Diaga (Celes, Tyro, Selphie, Lenna and Vanille), enough orbs to make a good number of Diaga r2s, and Vanille's ability restoration medica. If I made a full Diaga party with Hope's BSB RW, is that liable to be enough damage to finish the battle? I think between 4 medicas, two magic blinks, shellga, and +50% res I could weather a good bit of damage, so I'm a bit more worried on the killing front. Honestly? You're better off having a Darkness 5 mage cast Memento Mori and then summon a Hope BSB roaming warrior. Even without synergy gear, with MM, you should be able to get that burst to provide somewhere in the neighborhood of 200-225k damage out of the 310 needed to kill the boss over ~13 rounds. It also helps to bring a Dancer or two to do Multi Break, Magic Breakdance, and Mental Breakdance. Tyro and Lenna can fill that role for youand bring good relics for good measure it sounds like If you can't do ~100k damage over 13 rounds across 4 characters (well, okay, 3, someone needs to heal), I question how you can unlock a U++ fight at all. Fake edit: oh, and give that Hope thrown to a Ninja and give them Fire Veil or Swift Bolt. I did the CM with Yuffie carrying an FF2 Bow (so comparable Mag) and once the core closed, Fire Veil was hitting for 6500.)
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For reference: Assuming Mental Breakdance and Full Breakdance and Memento Mori: With 350 Mag, a number achievable with a level 80 Edea using non-synergy Mnd centric weapon (selphie's Scorpion Tail, so 100 Mag), non-synergy hat (Oath Veil), and an FF7 +30 Mag Accessory, you can expect to do about 265k damage with the burst over 12 rounds. At 400 Mag (a number Vincent at 80 and synergy comes up just short of with similar gearing), you can expect about 300-325k, or, in other words, effectively solo the boss and use four other slots for mitigation and debuffs and whatever. If one of those Mnd rods you have happens to be + holy, you can equip that and the required Mag threshold becomes even more trivial.
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Kylra posted:That's...pretty crazy actually. And I could put on Celes' atk/mag buff too to bump that up even more. Doubling up on offense stat buffs has been pretty staple for my high difficulty fights, it's just usually Shout+Song. You don't need Shellga - Protectga and Magic Breakdown dance should be plenty of mitigation (along with everyone in the back row. Same with Lenna's +Res being useless. Lots of Magic Blinks is real good though and will carry you through a lot of the incoming damage. Honestly, having anyone other than Tyro doing the Hope burst summoning will more than cover the loss of 40 Mag from not using the book. And you get to use a +holy weapon besides. So have someone other than Tyro be your DPS machine. That frees him up to cover protectga, a Magic Blink, and lots of dancing. So much dancing. Edit; if you have Braska's Robe and can egg him and use him, his SB will More than make up for not having Memento Mori. Rapidcast high regen and +30 % MAG will absolutely own on this fight. Chevy Slyme fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Oct 13, 2016 |
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Kylra posted:I'm running short on eggs and want to save a few if I can get Eiko or Beatrix's BSBs. Plus my mag weapons and hones are all garbage right now, so using him as something other than a Hope BSB target is kind of questionable, and I can already get more mag out of Tyro more than likely. Fair enough - you can probably still get more Mag out of one of your surplus of white mages than Tyro. Like, at level 80, Celes literally has fifty two more Mag than Tyro. And she can use that +holy Rod with 40 less Mag. I can't emphasize this enough, don't have Tyro be your hope BSB user. And don't underestimate that Braska robe of yours. It's literally the best Faithga item in the game if you have some other source of Haste. And if you don't have some other source of haste, it's still nearly equivalent to something like sheepsong thanks to fastcast. I'd honestly prioritize it over leveling Eiko because you got her burst, and maybe even Beatrix.
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Oct 13, 2016 05:41
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Kylra posted:You're probably right. I was getting caught up on having Memento Mori. Also, now that I am looking at it without synergy bonuses from the dungeon I was in, I realized I screwed up decalculating the synergy and it is the same as the other WHM items, a bit higher than I thought. SO. Yuffie with Fire Veil, whatever dance Tyro isn't carrying and that Hope boomerang will absolutely own the poo poo out of whatever leftover non burst DPS you need and bring a magic blink for good measure on this fight. Recommended.
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Kylra posted:Here's what I'm thinking now: Keep in mind that Burst Mode grants haste and your dancers don't really need haste, and honestly your healer probably doesnt either. Otherwise looks good.
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Oct 13, 2016 06:41
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Kylra posted:I figure it's worth building magic/physical blink faster just in case after the faiths are dispensed. You'll get more blinks in less time by giving Tyro wrath or lifesiphon or something for dead turns. Edit: well, not lifesiphon, but probably a spell or ninja spell that hits fire or lightning.
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NaanViolence posted:How much of an upgrade are the four star spellblade skills over their three star cousins? Everyone that can use TR other than Tyro, Leila, and Vaan can get five hits at level 80. None can at 65 AFAIK. Vaan can with synergy or during Burst mode. They all can at level 99 except for Tyro I think. (Might be due to a forthcoming Leila buff. Don't remember.)
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Sprite141 posted:Yeah but I have lunatic howl, which if I'm rw'ing hope's bsb is my only source of hastega. I guess I'll just try and deal with only the full break dance. Once I get that fire resist, his absurd damage should be far more manageable. There's absolutely no need for a hastega. Dances last long enough that there's no need to haste them and burst mode grants haste. I had Aeris with an autobaste RM for faster heals and that was plenty.
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Sprite141 posted:Son of a bitch. Everyone who doesn't use hastega for this ultimate ++ is insane. It absolutely means life or deth if you can't heal at least once in between attacks when you have a stupidly strong boss poo poo out aoes. I'm gonna forgo shellga as I didn't realize it was all resistance piercing, and instead give caitsith a natural hastega with a haste. Also put the power breakdown dance on yuffie, that stamp out is nuts. Magic Breakdance, Full Breakdance and everyone in the back row should be more than enough mitigation to keep all of his hits manageable. Power Breakdance can help if Stamp Out is wrecking you. An auto Haste on your healer isn't a bad idea. Hastega is not going to help much.
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Sprite141 posted:Nope. I did it with hastega before and no dances, I was able to keep healing up but his aoe's were not manageable. Without hastega and the dances, the aoe's were more than survivable, but when your healer can only heal one dude in-between aoes, you loose people fast. So I'm doing both, and having vincent use both charges of the rw. I'll say this one last time. Your healer can use an auto haste RM. They are good and work five. Burst mode grants haste to your damage dealer(s). I'm not disputing the value of haste. I am disputing the value of AOE haste given the other tools this strategy requires.
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Oct 13, 2016 20:29
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QuantaStarFire posted:Someone already mentioned it, but Roulette's going to be obnoxious as gently caress this event, isn't it? Eh, it's a total of six trash stages that you would otherwise be able to auto through. Paying attention to my phone for 45 seconds isn't the end of the world.
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bizarre deformity posted:I couldn't beat the Ultimate++ Do you have any, even just one, FF7 magic weapons? Do you have any, even just one, Darkness Mage at level 80 or close to it that can use said weapon? Grats, you can clear the U++. Get thee a Hope BSSB RW, some dancers, a healer or two, and maybe a ninja for some backup damage.
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maybe I should swap Cloud out for someone with a better SSB or BSB, but he and Locke couldn't do enough damage fast enough without my mitigation wearing off. Maybe swap in Zidane with shift break? Also, the parts where you have to attack 8 times loving suck.
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Armitage posted:Payday, so it was time to fulfill my promise to dena and whale on the FF7 banner! I had 25 mythril so I bought gems to make up the difference. I will have 300 gems left over. Let's do some 100 gem pulls first.... Grats on the strongest of swords.
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Kylra posted:Actually hold up. Can you get more than 5 attacks out of a magic BSB if you have instant cast 3 in there somewhere? Should work, yeah. Also give Celes Drain or Drainga instead of drain strike. (Not that it matters you'll never cast it.)
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:So what should I use this Rosetta Stone on? Do I wait for a really good OSB or something, or just use it on a weapon that I use a lot? I'd hate to upgrade a weapon that ends up being obsolete soon, especially since these stones seem super rare, but I also don't want to let them collect dust in my inventory forever while I keep telling myself something better is coming soon. In general, you have two parallel priorities for weapons best served by Rosetta stones. 1) They'll do the most good on weapons that are already your strongest such that you use them in other realms. Think OSB or BSB weapons combined up to +/++/+++. (Related, you almost never want to use them on weapons that aren't at least SSB quality to begin with. Unique SB Items can carry 15 of them. SSB/BSSB can carry 20. OSB weapons can take 25. It's a bad idea to use Rosetta stones on an item that can't take as many of them as possible. 2) Related to 1), the best weapons to use in any realm regardless of synergy are the ones that boost elemental damage. Especially elemental damage linked to Multi-hit attacks. That means Excaliburs/Lightbringers (holy swords) are super attractive targets. So will be Thunder damage weapons once the new multi hit Dragoon skill lands next month. Any Wind/Ice weapons if you're on the Snowstorm Strike plan are very strong. Or water weapons once Shooter skills hit. You get the idea. Similarly, if you have a great SB for a character with very limited weapon options (the canonical example here is Sephiroth who can only use Katanas), Rosettaing a weapon of that type for that character is very useful.
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Pander posted:I have Terra's Fire Beam. Not unless you also want the items from the relic draw. The bonus pool items are not worth 50 mythril in their own right.
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