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This movie, while good overall, kept the very tired irritating tropes I hoped they would not use, namely that magic can do anything except fix a Harsh Reality of Life That We're Taught To Accept. Magic can teleport you vast distances, stop bullets, reverse time, conjure beer, and blow poo poo up, but it can't fix crippling injuries because that's a Harsh Reality of Life That We're Taught To Accept. Ancient One, you stupid bitch, the reason Strange can't draw his sparky circle is that he has crippled hands, not lack of motivation! Just heal his loving hands! What do you think stranding him on Mt Everest is going to do? This is this definitely going to show up in a How It Should Have Ended vid on YouTube. Another annoying trope is that the Most Important Truth of All is some commonsense stuff that our mothers taught us when we were seven years old, such as humility or love conquering all or some other bullshit. On the plus side, the film did its best to distance Marvel sorcerers from Harry Potter wizards. The mirror universe fights were definitely the one thing J. K. Rowling did not do. Kurzon fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Oct 26, 2016 |
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None. No Crimson Bands of Cytorrak or anything familiar. They were really determined to distance Strange from Harry Potter, so no magic words whatsoever. They did mention a few magic items like the Wand of Watoomb, and Strange immediately made fun of their names.
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Oct 26, 2016 13:54
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Lovechop posted:i really enjoyed this film. some of the coolest visuals i've even seen. cumberbatch was great but my favourite character by far was the cloak. hell yeah.
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Oct 26, 2016 14:34
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Jonny_Rocket posted:How are those remotely the same thing? I don't understand how those phrases are any more ridiculous than a man in a flying iron suit, an alien god with a hammer, or a gamma radiated monster. All of those translated well on film, so I don't really see how those phrases wouldn't translate today. Dr. Strange uses the phrases all the time in the comic to conjure spells.
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Oct 26, 2016 18:52
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Even by the end of the movie, Strange's hands aren't healed. It's as if the movie treats his crippled hands as Strange's Uncle Ben - they have to stay crippled otherwise the character is ruined. I think he should have healed hands but decides to stay a sorcerer because it is much more fun and productive. The story is fun but pretty predictable. The only remarkable thing this movie has is the Inception-y battles.
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Oct 26, 2016 21:02
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Drink Top posted:As far as I know, the explanation for a lot of characters not healing their scars and injuries in the Marvel universe(s) are mental blocks. Like if the character just can't imagine being healed then they can't be healed. Kurzon fucked around with this message at 10:52 on Oct 27, 2016 |
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What was best Marvel origin movie? I think Thor was the most original, because it's not a hero's journey, or even really an antihero's redemption. Thor's already a superhero from the start, he's just a little cocky and daddy sends him to Earth for a time-out so that he could think about what he did. When he gets to Earth, he doesn't act like a dick when confused by Earth culture. When they tell him "we don't smash our beer glasses here" he's like "OK, when in Rome..." He doesn't have to get lectured or anything or shown the error of his ways, because he's already a good guy in essence. He's just a little undisciplined. This movie, Doctor Strange, was just so, so predictable. It's exactly the kind of script I would have phoned in if I was hired to write this movie in between projects I cared more about. "Um, Strange loses his hands and visits Tibet, learns magic, and then he has to fight one of his teacher's old students who turned evil, and in the end he effectively takes over his teacher's position as Headmaster of Hogw... I mean Sorcerer Supreme." The sorcerers fight each other using martial arts, which is a rather odd thing to ask of a guy with crippled hands who is pushing 50 (his hair is starting to gray).
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Jonny_Rocket posted:What's wrong with Doctor Strange being an origin movie? I felt like this was the best route to go, since they had to introduce such complex characters and the concept of magic within the MCU. Doctor Strange isn't a bad movie. The characters are all likable, and the mirror universe fight scenes are excellent. I love the idea that sorcerers can twist the battlefield itself to their advantage, whereas regular heroes like the Avengers are bound by it.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:"Magic" is a wayyyyyy too vague and ambiguous super power for a protagonist to have without a pretty thorough explanation on the extent and limitations of their abilities and you can't really do that in a montage. You might be able to do it for someone who was a lovely wizard with severe limitations (like Harry Dresden) but you can't do it for someone as powerful as Dr Strange. I think comic book writers should define "magic" as to how the sorcerer produces the effect. For me, magic is using gestures, rituals, and magic words to invoke the intervention of supernatural agencies. The sorcerer doesn't know how the magic works, only how to invoke it. Magic and science are not opposing forces, like comic writers think. Science is a systematic way of studying and explaining the universe that compensates for the logical fallacies that humans are so prone to. A "magical" phenomenon like a magic hammer should not be incomprehensible to scientists, it's just a strange sort of technology that uses unknown engineering principles. If it behaves in "impossible" ways, then the scientist who studies it will rewrite the laws of physics accordingly and collect his Nobel Prize. Also, any technology sufficiently advanced beyond the user's understanding is indistinguishable from magic. loving zoombas might as well be possessed by demons, for all I can tell. Kurzon fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Oct 28, 2016 |
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Jerusalem posted:One of the major things in the film is that EVERYBODY is either breaking/bending the rules of magic or are fine with it being done "for the greater good", which generally means they're being hypocritical ESPECIALLY The Ancient One. Except for one particular character who becomes increasingly distressed (in a dramatic sense, it's not played for laughs) about it because they are a true believer, took everything they were told at face value, and strongly base their values/sense of self on it. This leads to a sequel hook.
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Doctor Strange needed to differentiate mystic combat from regular Avengers-style superhero combat, and they did it in a clever way. Sorcerers warp the battlefield itself.
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The idea is that sorcerers are an international bunch and draw people from all ethnicities. The only bad whitewashing in the movie is the white mugger who tries to steal Strange's wristwatch. A white mugger in Nepal?
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Test Pattern posted:That's why it's Nepal and not Tibet.
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The_Doctor posted:I liked Mordo's exasperated reaction to The Ancient One leaving Strange on Everest, like it's something she's always doing to students.
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well why not posted:They weren't criticizing his motivation or discipline, but rather his ego. He was not just world-class, he was world famous. Remember the scenes of him picking only the famous, risky cases?
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OK, I guess you argued your points well.
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With the Ancient One dead he kinda is by default. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Somebody fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Nov 3, 2016 |
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Nov 3, 2016 15:35
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Ither posted:One thing I didn't like about this was the lack of incantations. Come on, Marvel, that's like an essential part of his character.
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Avalerion posted:Ending gambit spoilers: So is Dormammu like super honorable or actually bound by his word? Because I figured the ending doesn't mean he'll never get to conquer earth now, just that he'll stop his current attempt - which is why the cultists had to go too, as without them he won't be able to make another anytime soon. Like previous movies, this one has an extra scene mid-credits and another post-credits. The mid-credits one is Strange talking to Thor about Loki. The after-credits is Mordo turning villain. If it were up to me, I'd have switched those around. I think Marvel Studios really keen to plug Thor: Ragnarok. Kurzon fucked around with this message at 09:46 on Nov 6, 2016 |
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Jonny_Rocket posted:Dormammu looked like a mix between Andross from Star Fox and a skrull with the lines on his face. My guess is that they wanted to really differentiate him (visually) from Thanos
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If it had been up to me, I would have set this movie 5 years prior to Iron Man 1, so that by the time Strange teams up with the Avengers he's already a master sorcerer.
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notthegoatseguy posted:With Strange being in at least one other movie (and probably one part of Avengers), I think there we run into the problem of "Why doesn't Strange just *magick* the problem away?". I think it is good that he isn't a master sorcerer at this time
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