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Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




http://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-revives-nuclear-shelters-as-cold-war-heats-up-1477301408

quote:

Russians Conduct Nuclear-Bomb Survival Drills as Cold War Heats Up
Bomb shelters are upgraded, gas masks tested amid strained relations between Putin and U.S.

MOSCOW—Russian authorities have stepped up nuclear-war survival measures amid a showdown with Washington, dusting off Soviet-era civil-defense plans and upgrading bomb shelters in the biggest cities.

At the Kremlin’s Ministry of Emergency Situations, the Cold War is back.

The country recently held its biggest civil defense drills since the collapse of the U.S.S.R., with what officials said were 40 million people rehearsing a response to chemical and nuclear threats.

Videos of emergency workers deployed in hazmat suits or checking the ventilation in bomb shelters were prominently aired on television when the four days of drills were held across the country. Students tried on gas masks and placed dummies on stretchers in school auditoriums.

The capital’s civil-defense plans are also being upgraded, said Andrey Mishchenko, deputy head of the ministry.

“An inventory was taken in Moscow of the city’s underground spaces, in order to allow us to plan for sheltering 100% of the city’s population,” he said, as reported by state news agency RIA Novosti.

In parallel, commentators on state-dominated airwaves issued some of the shrillest anti-American rhetoric in years. “Russia is sick of America’s arrogant lies,” influential commentator Dmitry Kiselyov said this month after a Syrian peace plan collapsed.

After a mistaken strike by U.S.-led coalition warplanes on Syrian troops in September, Russia’s Defense Ministry warned that its air defense systems could shoot down any American plane that threatened its own forces.

And when a Russian tabloid wrote that government officials had been asked to take their children back from the prestigious preparatory schools and universities they attend in Britain, France and the U.S., speculation swirled about preparation for all-out war with the U.S.

The rhetoric reinforces Russians’ idea that their country is a superpower on par with the U.S. It also offers a distraction from an economic recession and from President Vladimir Putin’s approval ratings, which have dipped from recent highs. The threat of nuclear war also keeps the population pliant and uncritical, said Lev Gudkov, head of the Russian polling group Levada-Center.

“Most people believe that the Third World War has begun, but right now we are still in the cold phase of the war, which may or may not turn into a hot war,” he said. “And during war, you have to support your country’s authorities.”

The article keeps going on in that vein. Not just some fringe wingnut site either, it's the wall street journal. Russian boogieman back in the mainstream news. It's like being back in the 80s.

I have to admit, I'm a little ambivalent. As a kid before the fall of the Berlin Wall there was this sort of dread, the near certainty that one day the world would end in fire. It just takes a few guys getting control of a few missiles to trigger the other guy's retaliatory strike and then everybody launches. It seemed like there was no sane way out of it. Until suddenly, there was.

But our need for enemies and apocalyptic threats didn't go away. Maybe Muslims will kill us. Or zombies. Or bird flu. OMG EBOLA IS GONNA KILL US ALL . . . no, wait, it's fine. Maybe a meteor will hit us? These are lameass existential threats. At least Russians were cool about it.

Is the Cold War coming back? Do we want it to?

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Nooner
Mar 26, 2011

AN A+ OPSTER (:
good. gently caress this gay earth bathe it in nuclear hellfire

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




Oh, and Russia has domesticated foxes. Maybe the US can invade to liberate some?





Chinatown
Sep 11, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
Fun Shoe

Nooner posted:

good. gently caress this gay earth bathe it in nuclear hellfire

Nooner posted:

good. gently caress this gay earth bathe it in nuclear hellfire

Nooner posted:

good. gently caress this gay earth bathe it in nuclear hellfire

MotoMind
May 5, 2007

The irony is loving delicious in the WSJ telling Americans that the Cold War is back and the Russkies are trying to keep their population pliant. Well good thing we are americans, we don't pliant nothing.

Is this the cost of having Stranger Things on Netflix?

Iron Prince
Aug 28, 2005
Buglord
oh lol i didn't realize we were in the middle of an actual cold war and not russia just being butt mad about sucking 24/7 and blustering about some stupid poo poo again

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

luv 2 date boys posted:

oh lol i didn't realize we were in the middle of an actual cold war and not russia just being butt mad about sucking 24/7 and blustering about some stupid poo poo again

Drunk Nerds
Jan 25, 2011

Just close your eyes
Fun Shoe

luv 2 date boys posted:

oh lol i didn't realize we were in the middle of an actual cold war and not russia just being butt mad about sucking 24/7 and blustering about some stupid poo poo again

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




luv 2 date boys posted:

oh lol i didn't realize we were in the middle of an actual cold war and not russia just being butt mad about sucking 24/7 and blustering about some stupid poo poo again

Now you know!

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf

luv 2 date boys posted:

oh lol i didn't realize we were in the middle of an actual cold war and not russia just being butt mad about sucking 24/7 and blustering about some stupid poo poo again

Wasn't that basically just the first cold war?

I mean, Putin isn't even gonna have the balls to bang a shoe on the table at the UN

dookifex_maximus
Aug 10, 2016

by zen death robot
so which of you dipshit fascists is sure the russians are competent enough to influence the us election but too incompetent to have nukes

extra stout
Feb 24, 2005

ISILDUR's ERR

Nooner posted:

good. gently caress this gay earth bathe it in nuclear hellfire

suck my dick you fuckman, the only thing I feel certain about anymore in life is that every man deserves to die on his own terms, facing his enemy eye to eye at high noon

this melting a whole city poo poo is for pussies and rear end burger guys

also nobody makes a dime if we're all dead, this cold war, the last one and the next one are all agreed upon publicity stunts to raise sales in canned food and guns

Regrettable
Jan 5, 2010



dookifex_maximus posted:

so which of you dipshit fascists is sure the russians are competent enough to influence the us election but too incompetent to have nukes

Your gimmick is poo poo.

proof of concept
Mar 6, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
the wall st journal used to be a pretty good source for world news but then newscorp of fox news fame bought it and it's been on the downslope ever since

Zzulu
May 15, 2009

(▰˘v˘▰)
russia is gonna take eastern europe back, while big scary superpower america just watches cuz russia has nukes sooooo

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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They did all this back in 2014 dude

AugmentedVision
Feb 17, 2011

by exmarx

proof of concept posted:

the wall st journal used to be a pretty good source for world news but then newscorp of fox news fame bought it and it's been on the downslope ever since

get this:

AugmentedVision
Feb 17, 2011

by exmarx
faux news

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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:vince:

numberoneposter
Feb 19, 2014

How much do I cum? The answer might surprise you!

i give 1/50 chance of WWIII if clinton is elected

ill only be able to pay your bets with dog food and iodine though

Ork of Fiction
Jul 22, 2013

Regrettable posted:

Your gimmick is poo poo.

That post had nothing to do with his poo poo gimmick tho?

It's almost like, nah... no way... it's impossible that you might be... :troll: upset?:troll:

H.H
Oct 24, 2006

August is the Cruelest Month

The Glumslinger posted:

Wasn't that basically just the first cold war?

I mean, Putin isn't even gonna have the balls to bang a shoe on the table at the UN

Lol, Khrushchev was like a proto-gopnik, russian redneck.

Prorat
Aug 3, 2004

by FactsAreUseless
How many wars are the democrats gonna start, seriously. gently caress that pipeline and get out of the Middle East.

kindermord
Jun 5, 2003
ducks is chickens with swimmy toes
i'm glad an incontinent grandma who can't stay awake for more than 4 hours used her sunroom e-machine to transmit highly sensitive information, got hacked, and is using her colossal fuckup to threaten war with The Russians ( :derp: ) so she can look tougher than the orange cheeto nazi.

the future will be bright. maybe as bright as 10,000 suns.

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




kindermord posted:

i'm glad an incontinent grandma who can't stay awake for more than 4 hours used her sunroom e-machine to transmit highly sensitive information, got hacked, and is using her colossal fuckup to threaten war with The Russians ( :derp: ) so she can look tougher than the orange cheeto nazi.

the future will be bright. maybe as bright as 10,000 suns.

Remember back when we thought the worst thing about 2016 was a bunch of dead celebrities? Good times.

H.H
Oct 24, 2006

August is the Cruelest Month

kindermord posted:

i'm glad an incontinent grandma who can't stay awake for more than 4 hours used her sunroom e-machine to transmit highly sensitive information, got hacked, and is using her colossal fuckup to threaten war with The Russians ( :derp: ) so she can look tougher than the orange cheeto nazi.

the future will be bright. maybe as bright as 10,000 suns.

lol if you think russian posturing has nothing to do with this poo poo

Not saying they plan to start an actual war, but it's definitely a political move by them to quell dissent within russia itself. hopefully just that

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


Pretty sure if we sunk their carrier group on its way to the Mediterranean they'd lose most of their non-sub naval capability in one fell swoop lol

Cubone
May 26, 2011

Because it never leaves its bedroom, no one has ever seen this poster's real face.

dookifex_maximus posted:

so which of you dipshit fascists is sure the russians are competent enough to influence the us election but too incompetent to have nukes

Regrettable posted:

Your gimmick is poo poo.
lmao what the hell? is his gimmick to troll people that don't exist?

how many of you neocons believe ice cream is too sugary to be good for you, but not sugary enough to be cold?
I'm not a neocon! :argh: got me again, guy with weirdly implausible political targets

Regrettable
Jan 5, 2010



Cubone posted:

lmao what the hell? is his gimmick to troll people that don't exist?

how many of you neocons believe ice cream is too sugary to be good for you, but not sugary enough to be cold?
I'm not a neocon! :argh: got me again, guy with weirdly implausible political targets

Pretty much, yeah.

Isaac
Aug 3, 2006

Fun Shoe
Im headed to Agartha

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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The dessicated shambling carcass of the Soviet Union that is Putin's Russia is hardly capable of waging a genuine cold war against the United States

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




Fojar38 posted:

The dessicated shambling carcass of the Soviet Union that is Putin's Russia is hardly capable of waging a genuine cold war against the United States

That doesn't really matter, does it? With a cold war you don't have to prove anything, you just have to put on a good show. Paranoia will fill in the rest. Russia still has lots of nukes. Even if 90% of them are duds, stolen, or whatever, the remaining 10% is enough for MAD to work. The threat was never really that they would invade and occupy the US with their super competent military, the threat was a big pile of nukes. Likewise the US was and remains unlikely to attempt a ground war in Russia, the threat is a big pile of nukes, not an occupation.

They were a great boogieman. Nearly everyone in the west could agree that the soviets were bad. Even leftists mostly didn't try to defend them, instead insisting that soviet communism wasn't real communism. Much less divisive than muslims in general or loving third world Afghani goat farmers as the enemy. If an enemy is necessary to the american psyche, and it does seem to be, Russia is a pretty good choice.

H.H
Oct 24, 2006

August is the Cruelest Month

Facebook Aunt posted:

That doesn't really matter, does it? With a cold war you don't have to prove anything, you just have to put on a good show. Paranoia will fill in the rest. Russia still has lots of nukes. Even if 90% of them are duds, stolen, or whatever, the remaining 10% is enough for MAD to work. The threat was never really that they would invade and occupy the US with their super competent military, the threat was a big pile of nukes. Likewise the US was and remains unlikely to attempt a ground war in Russia, the threat is a big pile of nukes, not an occupation.

They were a great boogieman. Nearly everyone in the west could agree that the soviets were bad. Even leftists mostly didn't try to defend them, instead insisting that soviet communism wasn't real communism. Much less divisive than muslims in general or loving third world Afghani goat farmers as the enemy. If an enemy is necessary to the american psyche, and it does seem to be, Russia is a pretty good choice.

Also, they can just wage proxy wars like they do right now in the Ukraine, distabilizing everything around them.

dookifex_maximus
Aug 10, 2016

by zen death robot
Dang, well if we were the good guys we could call them on their bullshit

oh well lets just keep funding all three sides of the syria conflict

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

Fojar38 posted:

The dessicated shambling carcass of the Soviet Union that is Putin's Russia is hardly capable of waging a genuine cold war against the United States
Seeing as your extremely retarded next president thinks a no fly zone over Syria is a good idea it looks like they already have.

Pebergehund
Jan 21, 2010

kindermord posted:

i'm glad an incontinent grandma who can't stay awake for more than 4 hours used her sunroom e-machine to transmit highly sensitive information, got hacked, and is using her colossal fuckup to threaten war with The Russians ( :derp: ) so she can look tougher than the orange cheeto nazi.

the future will be bright. maybe as bright as 10,000 suns.

Make a no-fly zone over Moscow

dookifex_maximus
Aug 10, 2016

by zen death robot
better dead than formerly red

Kirs
Dec 5, 2014

Apart from drinking, there is absolutely nothing to do here.
How many days till I will be "invited" for a talk in local FSB bureau if I'll continue posting here?

Kirs fucked around with this message at 11:02 on Oct 28, 2016

Two Feet From Bread
Apr 20, 2009

I'm. A. Fucking. Nazi.

please punch me in the face
i love it
give it to me daddy
College Slice
Don't worry guys, I'm an Air Defence officer. We can stop their nukes before they get to the USA. Probably somewhere over Europe or the North Pole. So just don't be there or by the coast.

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dookifex_maximus
Aug 10, 2016

by zen death robot

Two Feet From Bread posted:

Don't worry guys, I'm an Air Defence officer. We can stop their nukes before they get to the USA. Probably somewhere over Europe or the North Pole. So just don't be there or by the coast.

you heard him guys, this will be a short war, over by christmas, FULL SPEED AHEAD

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