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YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Friendly Humour posted:

Every established left wing party in Europe I know of has in one way or another been implicated in the austerity politics of the last decade :sad:

what the gently caress are we even supposed to vote for at this po9nt

I don't think either Die Linke or Front de Gauche have been involved in austerity politics. Unless by left you meant centre-left, which is a meaningless void in the political spectrum these days.

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YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Friendly Humour posted:

Die Linke is polling at what, 8%? Plus aren't they super big on Russia and European disarmament and all that good old Warsaw pact poo poo? They're a bunch of old irrelevant soviet relics is my impression, and they will never get any kind of power.

There's a lot of Soviet leftover elements in a lot of left-wing parties, such as Russian apologism, yes. But that's nowhere near as big of a deal as the fundamentally different attitudes towards society compared to the centrist parties, and ultimately, that's probably preferable than Russia being the perpetual boogeyman (though thankfully that is nowhere near as big a phenomenon in Europe as it is in the US). It is also debateable how strongly those parties would put that Russian apologism into practice if they were in power. With the Russian establishment making the far right into its new BFFs I do not see real ties between them and the traditional left lasting for much longer.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


twoday posted:

I came to this country for education, I did my BA and MA here and am about to finish my PhD, and I have good career prospects as a historian. I'm happy with the education system here. I think it's competitive and the best outside the US and U.K., and it's amazing that it's so cheap.

Ok, so my mood changes frequently, but today I have been entertaining the idea of voting d66. They want to decriminalize all drugs, build more public transport, allow 3 or more parents for a child, and various other liberal things I like, and they want to pump a bunch of money into higher education, which I like a lot.

But it's my first time voting, since I have only recently become a Dutch citizen, and I'm wondering, how do they behave in coalitions. Will they be a viable coalition partner this time? Who do they usually work with? Etc.

Unfortunately I guess they would work with VVD. Would they work with PVV?

I am not familiar with the peculiarities of Dutch politics, but generally speaking, you can always count on liberals to be pieces of poo poo that err towards the conservative side of the scale on anything they're uncertain of.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


I feel Le Pen would have an easier time against Fillon given the scandals that have been popping up with him.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Asehujiko posted:

A good overview of everybody's economic positions but it glosses over international policy, which is the main reason why I'm not voting for SP or PvdD. Both are anti-europe and a left wing nexit will not be any less catastrophic than a right wing one under Wilders, socialists being russophiles on top of that and the animal party supports all kinds of woo like being antivax.

What the gently caress is happening in your country that makes you think your run of the mill centre left parties will fathom a Nexit.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Fiction posted:

do none of y'all know who Right Sector are.

Sorry man, you didn't get the memo that Russia is the source of all evil in this world, and NATO and the USA did nothing wrong.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Fallen Hamprince posted:

lets hear it for the plucky freedom fighters of novorussia, fighting off the gay euronazis with a motor rifle brigadethat fell of the back of a truck

You missed the part where not everyone critical of US foreign policy thinks Russia isn't also an imperialist power waving their dick in places it shouldn't go.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Fallen Hamprince posted:

so did fiction

I dunno man, you're the one saying that he's a Russia yes-man, not his posts.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Neurolimal posted:

Is there a turk party that's anti-bombing the poo poo out of kurds

Yes, and the Turkish government is suppressing the poo poo out of them.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


get that OUT of my face posted:

sorry to hear that, does it look like they're gonna fall to le pen

France is looking better now than it did a month or two ago. At the time it looked like the second round would be Fillon vs Le Pen (Fillon being the hard-right candidate of Les Republicains, the French centre-right party). Since that time Fillon's campaign has imploded due to corruption scandals coming to the fore (he had given his wife a ghost job as a secretary where she did nothing while he was in government) and in spite of that has refused to drop out for someone else from his party to replace him. Meanwhile the PS primary has resulting in party-left Hamon receiving the PS nomination, and Macron, an independent neoliberal who used to be a PS minister up to a few years ago looks to be actually gathering enough votes to be winning the first round.

So what looked to be a choice between the hard right and fascism is going to be between neoliberalism and fascism instead.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


How do Dutch politics handle hung parliaments? Is there a chance government-formation negotiations will break down and repeat elections called within the year?

lollontee posted:

The rot is worse than the fire.

Accelerationism is stupid, friend.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Badger of Basra posted:

as 2016 showed us the least bad option always wins elections

It's not like labour was doing nice and good before Corbyn.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


They could've destroyed the Tories after the referendum, but instead, no, jumping in front of Cameron's spotlight shouting "US, US, IT WAS US, WE DID BREXIT, BLAME US" it was.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


oliwan posted:

Do Tories REALLY think that England still matters, or is it all power projection? Do they still believe in the empire fantasy?

They don't, that's why they were either remainers, or they were brexiters who thought they were making a safe bet for the losing side in an attempt to rise in internal party politics and now have to manage being winners.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


I find it unfathomable that a major party's candidate would drop out of the race.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Yeah the neoliberal 5th column in the PS has declared for Macron.

I say that but my only basis for it is IIRC Valls endorsing Macron a week or two ago. I'm sure there's neoliberals in the PS that have the bare minimum of principles required to back their own party's candidate in an election.

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YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Macron also isn't Clinton in the sense that by detaching himself from the PS he's been able to create some disconnect between himself and his own legacy, since people will happily blame that on Hollande and treat Macron as an outsider. I think treating Macron as France's Clinton is generally ill-advised.

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