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The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

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At long last.

And now, with the skyrim special edition's release, we get to enjoy new glorious 64 bit depravity

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The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

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Coolguye posted:

i'm catching up on this thread but jfc don't get all insecure because some goonlords have Thoughts about a book they read 10 years ago

i'm actually rereading the first Redwall book again with a buddy right now (she'd never heard of them),

bitch i know I didn't hear that when you still have two night watch books to read.

(It's OK the later ones are decent but not as good. Redwall is dope)

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

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Jagged Jim posted:

Save us from Drama Nexus Fallout 4 Hot Files!

Just a hairy male body

:nws: http://imgur.com/lSvaFd6

I knew we could count on you!

Gunna be honest and say that's a really good looking guy. Like drat.

So much nicer than the freakishly thin and/or freakishly breasted nude women of fallout.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

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spread your seed

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

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the modders only forum is absolutely hilarious and it never fails to amuse me what I find in there.

I think I actually hit 1,000 unique downloads just from xcom:ew and long war mods, and remembered being super excited and enthused. A thousand unique downloads, I had made it big! I crowed about it to everyone.


and then I started modding fallout 4 and hit a million in the space of a few months.


The point is that there's a whole lot of egotistical idiots in there who think making a thing means they're brilliant. On the plus side, it means that it's real easy to find things to point and laugh at.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

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Someone post the terrifying fanfic that lost the author of the imoen romance custody of his kids.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

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Expected goatse, was disappointed

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

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I'm still completely unsure how you'd have DRM for .esp files.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

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Mendrian posted:

Yeah last time I checked you could pirate entire expansions by uploading the .esp files as a mod, is that still true?

It sounds to me like this whole thing is Bethesda having more money than people and they're basically just paying high-profile modders and ex-employees to churn out content for them because they can't be bothered to dwell on a game for more than a year or two.

I would pay a ton of money for a 'mod' that turned Fallout 4 into a good game though. Or rather, a good story, I guess it's already a pretty fun game.

Yuppers. Just put the .esp and the .bsa folder in there for any art assets. or loose folders, it's a whole (incredibly stupid) debate.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

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King Vidiot posted:

Who the gently caress are the players (besides Discendo Vox and the author) who actually have read the entire "Long Guide"?

I'd never even heard of it until right now. That's some Ulillillia levels of OCD and number wanking.

I read most of it like, two years ago when I still played payday.

I should get back into it, though I fell out of playing shortly after they introduced weapon skins. Wonder what's changed in the interim.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

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can we not do this here

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

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Coolguye posted:

there's a lot of archeological study that goes into this sort of thing that it's dreadfully obvious not a single 'post apocalyptic' game maker is familiar with

the short version of it is that even with minimal material and tools people can and do make some pretty elaborate and comfortable shelters if they've got a reason to stay put in one place, and that reason comes from trade approximately 100% of the time. so if you're hanging out in a village, farming and trading, then your poo poo will probably be at least reasonably clean and you're not going to be sleeping on the floor on a mattress that is very clearly infested with lice. if you're not trading with anyone outside your band and are in effect a hunter-gatherer then your poo poo will be ramshackle because you fully expect to have to abandon it at a moment's notice because game is moving.

but nah instead everything just sucks because you don't have table saws anymore or some poo poo

While generally 100% accurate, I felt Horizon Zero Dawn is a notable exception.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

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Coolguye posted:

i could go on but who honestly cares, it is an insanely nerdy point about an insanely nerdy subtopic in the insanely nerdy hobby of playing many, many video games.

you're posting in games my friend

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

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Isn't there some bestiality hentai porn game that's making something crazy like 20-30 grand a month too?

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

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Max Wilco posted:

:catstare: https://www.nexusmods.com/witcher3/...review%3D&pUp=1 (slightly :nws:)

On the bright side, the description shows that mod author did it as a joke and admits that it's stupid. That's a good sign, right?

I appreciate how remarkably progressive he's being with that Ciri plugin.

Or he's just being weird. Hopefully the former. Probably the latter.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

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Midig posted:

I am checking out ESO core mod list and it has open cities.... Gonna be gud to see people having all sorts of issues.

EDIT:

The pack has KS Hairdos. Staph.

Open cities is fantastic and works great in Skyrim Special Edition. It's not compatible with a lot of mods that affect cities, but the big ones have patches and oblivion gates aren't in it anymore, just downloading from Arthmoor's page.

It's a buggy piece of poo poo in oldrim though

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

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I adore this

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

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it's absolutely a good decision, game modding needs to evolve with the times just like everyone else


there are certainly gdpr implications, and specifically nexusmods does have to support the ability to remove personal information, which can include things like usernames, ip addresses, etc.

so depending on the game, that may be something they can do just by anonymizing file metadata. depending on the mod, and if the modder retains a lawyer to pursue the case, that could include removing the entire mod if the creative work contains personal information.

but by and large it's a fantastic decision overall and will make modlists significantly more stable and therefore attractive in the long run.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

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StillFullyTerrible posted:

as a reminder, The Iron Rose was a Kiwifarms poster, so their sense of "good" is rather skewed

a long long time ago, in a far more conservative, self hating queer time in my life. i'm much happier, left wing in general, and accept myself now. I deeply regret the time spent there, and haven't been involved with any of that alt-right poo poo in the better part of a decade :)

bit personal for the modding thread, really, but when you have a whole lot of internalized queerphobia and hate yourself for being different, it can drive you to some not so good places! Fortunately, I had supportive friends, family, and this forum who helped pull me out of it. And that's all I intend to say on the matter.

Lt. Lizard posted:

Yes, it is evolving in the direction of generating/maximizing profits and eliminating any possible obstacle that would stand in the way(like the power of people that actually create the profit-generating content to protest or disagree in any way). That's certainly a....... good thing?

as a former modder, i'm pretty okay with modders, and the platforms that host them, profiting off of their work

The Iron Rose fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Jun 30, 2021

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

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Lt. Lizard posted:

I mean, it's entirely fair that you are ok with someone profiting from your mods. But would you be still ok, if the one profiting would be a sex pest? Or someone deep in Alt-Right circles, using your mod or profits from it to further their causes? Or, for something less sensational, someone who simply bundled your mod as a part of the official, paid DLC, without giving you recognition or compensation for it? There are myriad scenarios where you could begin to feel uncomfortable about who is profiting from your mods and honestly, a lot of them are not that unlikely, much less impossible.

Except all of the above doesn't really matter, because Nexus is currently implementing a feature that will allow them to not give a gently caress if someone is ok about Nexus profiting from their mods or not. Which is the whole issue here. It's less about the profiting by itself (although it's obviously still connected to it) and more about removing the most effective ability to protest of those they are profiting from, to safeguard their current profits from unforeseen sticky situations and to allow the possibility to make more controversial and thus riskier and more profitable moves in the future. And again, that is obviously not good.

I mean, I don't think I have any ability to control any of that, except insofar as much as I choose which platforms to publish on. If the mods were, shall we say, "pirated", and uploaded without my consent to alternative hosts, well, that's really a separate problem altogher, no?

As far as nexus goes, part of the deal with uploading to their website is that you now must consent to make your mod available forever and eternally. Now, ideally the Nexus should have let people opt out... but modders being modders, i get why they didn't. Not saying it was the right move, but I get it.

goblin week posted:

That or they’ll just made Nexus unavailable in europe, like most of websites did

doesn't actually make a difference, GDPR applies to people in the EU. lovely websites make themselves unavailable in europe so they don't collect data on people in the EU. But GDPR doesn't apply to only EU residents or citizens! It applies to any person within the EU. Which means that if Joe McDuck from Arizona goes to that website, enters personal information, flies to Europe for a vacation and then submits a GDPR request, they're just as liable.

Now in practice enforcement on this is lackluster, and understandably so given the current state of the tech industry. I can also totally see the European Court of Justice and/or its subordinate courts giving that particular case short shrift... or not! They're a pretty clasically liberal bunch. I can't find much on the status of judicial review in the ECJ though... so I may come back to edit this.

Kurui Reiten posted:

Ok but: In this scenario, the mod was uploaded to the internet. You're not talking about a mod that was designed purely for personal use or use among a small group of friends. You're talking about mods that are released onto the wider internet.

A modder is not forced to upload their mod to the internet. Uploading to the wider internet is something that has to be done purposefully, and almost universally in a way that leads to "Look at my mod, isn't it neat, here you guys can play with it too".

At that point, several issues come into play over how much control the modder can have over distribution of something they willingly released. Licensing and for profit usage are complicated, but you don't just go to the Nexus and hit there "here's my mod, have fun" button. There's a multitude of steps to go through, since you're specifically sharing this piece of code.

These are not fully formed, self-contained games either. They require another frontend to function. Which complicates the issue even more.

Just because you upload something to the internet does not mean you do not retain rights over how it is used. I consent to the Nexus having control of my poo poo as part of their Terms of Service, but that doesn't mean I consent to, idk, the Stormfront Mod Forum hosting it.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

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Lt. Lizard posted:

Giving people, who often uploaded their mods on Nexus years before someone began to even think about permanently hosted mods, a window to withdraw them, if they disagree about the idea of their work being permanently online is cool and good, actually.

I'm with this, tbh.

Anyways they've made the opt out process onerous to go through - you have to manually email, and then reply to a forum's PM. It's not exactly a button. I suspect there won't be all that many. Not sure I love the dark pattern here, but it's very very good they gave people at least this limited time to opt out. They also sent all mod authors an email about it too, which is still the bare minimum but good regardless.

also the comments section is really funny. the amount of people who are aghast the nexus wants to make money is really funny. I'm happy for them, and I think they're making the right set of decisions. They need to be able to profit off of the service they provide, and I hope that collections, modlists, new features, and eradicating technical debt allow them to do so. They certainly cannot stay forever beholden to the demands of entitled often literal children when they have a business to run.

The Iron Rose fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Jul 1, 2021

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

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I mean this is a fruitless argument, but also lol considering that many many many games also have settlement systems and nobody’s saying they’re copying anyone. Just because a mod that does a similar thing doesn’t mean the mod author owns the idea in perpetuity.

until actual assets were stolen, or unless the copying was much more egregious than any of these examples are, I’m not convinced. There are a lot of similar themes in the world, doesn’t make every use of them intellectual property theft.

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The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

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Vapor Moon posted:

I too love SSL handshake failed Error code 525

update your browser my friend (and possibly your operating system or system clock). Nexusmods’ SSL certificate is perfectly valid!

The Iron Rose fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Sep 11, 2023

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