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fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Bip Roberts posted:

WIFI doesn't cause cancer moron.

Listen man, he's used a lot of wifi and now he's incapable of making sense! Isn't that proof to you?

:v:

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fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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mcmagic posted:

I'm actually right a lot. Both in this forum and in others. I'm also wrong sometimes. That is the human condition.

You're right wing sure, but that's not much to brag about. Really it's quite a bad thing.


Non Serviam posted:

Switching gears a bit, does anyone have any theories as to why Assange has it out for Clinton?

I get it that after all this time he might be suffering from cabin fever but he can't honestly think a Trump presidency would give him safe passage out of that embassy.

The dude has a long standing problem with women since he first got semi-famous in Australia, I don't think there's really anything specific he hates about Clinton beyond that. Also he was raised in a neo-nazi cult thing which doesn't help.

No US President can give him safe passage though, as it's Sweden and the UK who are after him. Sweden for the rape charges, and the UK because he skipped out on UK bail when he entered the embassy.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Roland Jones posted:


No idea who that is, but she did claim to have been here for a decade despite having a regdate of 2015 or so.

Mel Mudkiper posted:

who was Tweak?



Tweek used to put on blackface on GBS video chatrooms, especially if there were black posters already chatting. And was pretty crazy in other ways but man they loved to do blackface.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:

Accusing critics of being Jewish, making a big deal out of every time Hillary gave speeches to Jewish groups even if it was over something completely non-controversial, using lots of standard anti-Jewish dog whistles, etc.

Also being raised in a neo-nazi cult in Australia, this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_(Australian_New_Age_group)

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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FAUXTON posted:

You can be a hosed up person regardless of whether you're trans or not, it isn't the trans part that's a problem. It's just strange because she's backing someone who sees her as somewhere between "abomination" and "child predator" but people vote themselves into a hole all the time. In her case, she's a transgender person with a hosed up view of the world rather than cis.

If she is Tweek, then she's someone who regularly dresses up in blackface to talk to black people in online video chat. So it's no surprise at all that she loves Tweek, because he's also racist as fuckkkk.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Teriyaki Koinku posted:

Holy poo poo it's actually November, it's finally here. Our long national nightmare will finally be over soon.

:v:

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fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Peechka posted:

Im insane? Yorue voting for the most corrupt, most vile, worst lying sociopath to ever run for president.

We're not voting for Trump though?

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Rabble posted:

They should have never capped it in the first place :colbert:. If only the house had thousands of members....

The house size isn't really capped. There's no law saying it must stay 435.

The house has simply refused to increase its size after the 1920 census, and after every census since. Because they couldn't be bothered to do it. They could do it at any time, though after stalling nearly 100 years they'd also need to authorize funds to expand chambers at some point (the current House chambers could fit about 1000 representatives in session, without any renovation besides new desks and rearranging them).

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Muggsy posted:

Are there any handy guides out there that explain American election data and statistics? Like, things that explain the implications of states having a candidate at +4 or something? I have some friends that are interested in learning about the electoral system, and I am admittedly curious too. :shobon:

There's nothing special about that, it simply means that person is likely to win that state, because it's say 48% vote for that guy, 44% for another guy, and 8% for all others. Hence, +4 for the first guy.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Verus posted:

This has always pissed me off -- they has been the singular gender-neutral pronoun for centuries, why do people assholes who write style manuals refuse to use it?

Because a bunch of self appointed language experts in the 1700s and 1800s didn't see a reason to have it, and thought it wasn't elegant enough. Same people who randomly decided that ending sentences with a preposition in English shouldn't be done because it wasn't allowable in ancient Latin.

And since those people were considered authorities it stuck for a long time. It's been gradually receding from teaching and style manuals though.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Lightning Knight posted:

I know I'm late to "will Hillary run in 2020?" chat but my big fear is that Bill dies in the next two odd years and she just says gently caress it and peaces out. :smith:

Hillary won't need to run in 2020 when she becomes Space Empress of Earth in 2018.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong
Donald Trump has a viable path to 270 electoral votes. Don’t believe me?

Check this out:

Step 1: Win the states Mitt Romney won in 2012.
Step 2: Win Ohio, Iowa, and Florida. (Trump currently leads us in the RealClearPolitics polling average in all of these states five days out.)
Step 3: With 259 electoral votes in the bag, find just 11 more -- and win the presidency.

What this means is -- if the above trends hold steady -- Trump would just need one or two things to break his way on Election Day to beat us. For example:

Win Pennsylvania? He wins the election.
Win Colorado and New Hampshire? He wins the election.
Win Colorado and Nevada? He wins the election.


this is an email I got from the Hillary campaign today, they really want some extra cash

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

It's frustrating that nuclear power is the right wing opinion. It's the best thing we can do for the environment if we do it right :(

It's really not an if. We've been doing it right for almost 60 years straight.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

happyhippy posted:

Three Mile Island was in 1979.
And wasnt there a radioactive leak in Vermont in 2009/2010 if I recall correctly.

And in both cases nobody got hurt, let alone died. Three Mile Island might eventually lead to an extra case of cancer above normal levels, and the Vermont thing isn't expected to lead to anything.

Ciaphas posted:

What kind of percentages are we talking with respect to reprocessing anyway

Like at the end of the day how much of our current waste would still be useless waste if we suddenly decided to reprocess the lot

I assumed it was something like 50/50 but never did any of my own looking out, which is whyI asked about the waste disposal options earlier


Most "nuclear waste" in storage is just other things that get used in a nuclear power plant, like the protective clothing the workers wear, various gaskets and plates that cover things, etc. It becomes very mildly radioactive through prolonged use, so you can't just dump it in a landfill (well you could and it'd probably be fine, but no one wants that to happen), but it's not anywhere near the level of used fuel rods in terms of dangerous to be near.

Imagine if we had to abide by the same procedure for things used in a coal/natural gas power plant...

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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ReV VAdAUL posted:

The free trade policy NAFTA destroyed a lot of good blue collar middle class jobs.

No it did not, as the vast majority of those died in the 70s and 80s. Very little actually left after NAFTA was signed by President Bush in December 1992, or after it started going into effect in 1994.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:

How did he get elected Governor again?

Gary Johnson was a loudmouth businessman who managed to squeeze his way through a crowded Republican primary unexpectedly. The difference from trump is that the Green party candidate in the NM Governor race that year was actually very popular, and handily split the Democrat vote with like 19% of the vote.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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PerniciousKnid posted:

Do those legislatures have assigned constituencies the way US congressmen do?

The system for UK House Of Commons seats, in both election method and assignment of geographical constituencies, is essentially the same as the US House of Representatives.

The only difference is that since there aren't a bunch of states around, the population distribution is more uniform, so no instances like how Rhode Island has 2 reps for 1.05 million people but Montana only has 1 rep for 1.02 million people.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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PerniciousKnid posted:

How do they handle redistricting?

Nationally. The party in power is always fond of gerrymandering though.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

Mr. Belding posted:

Actually this is a rare broken clock case. I think we should charge for access to our markets. I realize that this will probably mean people have to pay $10 for a spatula instead of $3, and likely hurt the standard of living in some developing nations a bit, but I don't think we should sacrifice the American standard of living to bring up the rest of the world (and to the benefit of capitalists). There are better solutions, and as long as our market is the hottest poo poo, which it still is, we should not be giving it away for free. Certainly not to the billionaires who need it least.

Er, are you really not aware that there's tons of tariffs and taxes on imports and exports with America already? We've never had any agreements with the People's Republic of China to reduce tariffs, for instance. And we also have the full scale tariffs and so on with most of the various cheap labor nations.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Mr. Belding posted:

Does calorie density actually matter to anyone? A can of sardines is tiny in volume, but if you eat it you will be full for hours. Like seriously, eat a can of King Oscar's at 8 in the morning you will not be hungry for lunch until well after noon. It's 240 calories. Satiety does not come from food volume. That's a silly way to attempt to achieve it.

The thing is what sates people varies wildly between people. That's why any advice for what specifically to eat, that's meant for "everyone", is doomed to fail.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong
In case you're wondering, you can look up what the current tariff rates are on a wide variety of items:
https://hts.usitc.gov/

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

As far as slavery goes you really couldn't do better than being a slave in the Roman Empire. American slavery was much worse by nearly every metric.

Nah you really could. There were several different sorts of slavery at work there, and a lot of them were very bad. The slaves they sent to the mines or various othe rbig projects basically had death sentences versus highly educated and trained doctor/teacher "slaves" that were ffectively freer than the common "free" man.


Mr. Belding posted:

Yes, but there has been increasing pressure from both parties to move forward with free trade agreements. Furthermore, it's clear that these tariffs are likely not high enough as we have far too many takers (companies are happy to make what they used to make here overseas and then reimport). I think it's a pretty simple analysis to determine that we are undercharging.

I don't think you understand free trade agreements, and "undercharging" is bullshit. There are many categories of goods out there where the effective total import costs are over 100% of value regardless of trade agreements. Sugar is currently so highly tariffed and restricted for import that sugar prices in America are double the normal global cost. It's impractically expensive to import paper clips. There's all sorts of stuff like that.

And once again none of the free trade things really take away jobs, because they only start cropping up once the jobs have already left. The bulk-work factories we used to have for cheap domestic crap are obsolete, and even if we banned all imports tomorrow morning and opened them all back up, employment would be a fraction of what it used to be for things from clothing to cheap children's toys to computers.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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QuarkJets posted:

Sure but it's also true that Roman slavery was in fact chattel slavery

Depends on the time period and location and type of slave. There were plenty of slaves through Roman history that weren't part of chattel slavery, as well as plenty that were.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Hyrax Attack! posted:

What would be the impact if the nation switched to a Washington/Oregon style based mail in ballot system, where all registered voters get their ballots three weeks before elections? Is there any reasonable ground for opposing that system (such as cost), other than the GOP wanting low voter turnout?

A lot of people feel a lot safer if they fill out a ballot at a designated polling place and put it into a counting box by their own hand, rather than putting it in the mail.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Schizotek posted:

The modern USA is more religious than when it was founded.

That's just completely bullshit. Early America was religious as all hell, what with the amount of people being Christian being way over 90% and regular attendance at churches being way more common.

To say nothing of how for a very long time, until Supreme Court rulings of the 50s-80s, all sorts of explicitly religious stuff was mandated in government and education.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Nessus posted:

While religious belief was widespread, sentiment against public recognition of religion save in a very generic sense was surprisingly contentious. We all know about the Barbary Pirates treaty quote, but there is also the fact that "Under God" wasn't added to the pledge of allegiance OR our currency until after World War II, and there were many efforts to oppose funding of parochial schools on the grounds that that would be supporting a religious institution. The Bible was more widely used for educational purposes but I believe at least part of this would be that a Bible would be one of the most readily available books, even going back into the 19th century.

Like, dude, many states had state-composed prayers to god that the public school students were required to say, up until they were made illegal in the 50s and 60s by supreme court rulings. There was no pledge of allegiance until a group of socialists invented it in the late 1800s, so of course under god wasn't there. There was no "need" to try to fund religious schools so long as the public schools were heavily Christian, as they were, and incidentally those same public schools were kept largely white.

The very fact that the Bible was so particularly widely available as to be a basic educational tool by necessity is an example of how Christian early America was.


The Barbary Treaty and the personal opinions of some of the founding fathers towards Deism are nice and all, but they don't reflect how the average American behaved or how they were governed. Resistance to having a state church largely came out of the fact that choosing to have all of America be Catholic, say, or all of it Anglican or whatever other thing? That would have alienated a large swathe of the rest of the country that was trying to be built, dating back to the kinds of religions that the colonies tended to enforce. We essentially got federal religious tolerance as a result of political expedience.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Pollyanna posted:

So, wait a minute. I know there's the popular vote, and then the electoral vote. Even though we're getting some numbers now for the popular vote that look good, what's stopping the electoral college from voting against the wishes of their districts/states on Tuesday?

The total amount of electoral votes cast against the wishes of the state, since the country was founded, is about 178. And like 100 of them were the result of a candidate dying, or electors refusing to vote for a vice presidential candidate while still voting for the presidential candidate. Much of the rest were accidental.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Chokes McGee posted:


IIRC the way the US government was meant to work is you vote on the people who vote on the president, but I'm probably pulling that directly out of my rear end, and anyway here we are in modern times.

Keep in mind that it wasn't until about 1840 that the majority of electoral votes were cast by states that actually had a normal popular vote for President.

Let's take 1808's election for example:
Method of choosing Electors
Each Elector appointed by state legislature: Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Massachusetts, New York, South Carolina, Vermont
Each Elector chosen by voters statewide (what every state does now: New Hampshire, New Jersey, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Virginia
State is divided into electoral districts, with one Elector chosen per district by the voters of that district: Kentucky, Maryland, North Carolina, Tennessee

Note that these "electoral districts" for the last category had no requirement to be chosen on the basis of equal population or to match state legislative districts.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Militree posted:

Does anyone have any info on early voting in New Jersey? That map that gets posted said it's available, but all I can research says no excuse absentee ballot only, and I don't have enough time to get that in.

Yeah sorry, it's just the absentee ballot there. There's a form you can fill out with your county clerk to have them automatically mailed to you for future elections though, you might need to call them to get it.


You could technically go in to your county clerk's office on Monday before 3 PM and get an absentee ballot, fill it out on the spot, then hand it in. But there'd be little point to that. Depending on county you can also do this on Saturday or Sunday during their business hours. You can't really mail one of those ballots you'd get in person though, as it has to be received in office by the time the regular polls close to be valid.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Bip Roberts posted:

So does the election day weather forecast for any of the battleground states look nasty?

Election day and election night, according to the Weather Channel:

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fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Schizotek posted:

Church attendance and use of religion as an authority was extremely low in parts of early america. Of course everyone was "christian", but the vast majority were like many of todays christian. It was something they'd claim if asked and it otherwise had almost no impact on their lives. There have been various ups and downs since then, but the country wasn't founded in the 20th century so how religious people were then are kind of irrelevant.

Uh, an in the rest of the parts, religious attendance and authority was extremely high. And there's way less religion as authority now, let alone church attendance..

The way the country was in the early 20th century was fairly on par with the level of influence of religion in the country at it's founding: very very high, but perceived as low by people at the time since they were quite used to it. Tons of the things we consider horribly theocratic proposals from Republicans these days, someone living in 1800 or 1900 would consider completely normal.

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