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If you want to bash Nazis you don't have to wait for them to have a protest. Be a bit proactive for fucks sake.
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Bent Wookiee posted:This would be a snappy comeback if I was advocating against counter-protesting at all.
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Daily is Peter Dutton still in a position of power check: Yes.
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Gridlocked posted:Daily is Peter Dutton still in a position of power check: Yes. The burden of handling one of federal politics’ most controversial portfolios isn’t holding back Immigration Minister Peter Dutton from building his substantial personal wealth. The Member for Dixon is one of parliament’s less publicised multi-millionaires, having accumulated assets worth at least $10 million — perhaps as much as $20m — mainly through investment in residential real estate. Immigration Minister Peter Dutton is one of parliament’s less publicised multi-millionaires. Picture: AAP Image/Lukas Coch. Immigration Minister Peter Dutton is one of parliament’s less publicised multi-millionaires. Picture: AAP Image/Lukas Coch. While protesters this week were hijacking the parliament over the Turnbull government’s refugee policies, Dutton was disclosing that he had been on a real estate spending spree since May. He’s snapped up two new properties for his portfolio in his beloved Queensland — one in inner city Brisbane’s Spring Hill and another in far north Queensland’s Townsville. No wonder Dutton was one of the most strident critics of Labor shadow treasurer Chris Bowen’s proposal to end negative gearing on property. “Labor’s essentially said they want to lower house prices and they want to increase rents and I think that would be a disaster,” Dutton said of the proposal back in March.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:The burden of handling one of federal politics’ most controversial portfolios isn’t holding back Immigration Minister Peter Dutton from building his substantial personal wealth. Source your quotes. Especially when they spell Dickson wrong.
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Cartoon posted:What's your position on police violence and using troops to break up strikes? I'm against both, but I'm not sure what your point is.
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Bent Wookiee posted:The point that I was attempting to make is that going intending to do violence is a good way to add credence to Bolt's (and others') poo poo.[/b] I figured that my post was the one you were referencing, so here's my realtalk response rather than "lmao" I can't speak for everyone who engages in street activism, but by in large the whole point of showing up as part of a counter-rally is to display that there isn't a universal consensus on ~thing~. Australia's only convicted racist, Andrew Bolt, tries to conflate any form of left-wing street activism with thuggery and violence, which obviously is quite biased (and at best ignores the violent actions and rhetoric of the ultranationalists). The amazing thing is that the fascist/ultranationalist groups actually have to resort to violence/shock tactics in order to rate in the news (and they do resort to violence fairly regularly, see that video in the post you quoted with Dennis Huts), so that's a pretty glaring ommission by Andrew Bolt, convicted racist.
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Dec 2, 2016 02:55
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Gridlocked posted:Source your quotes. Especially when they spell Dickson wrong. The Australian.
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Oh, if only the left were not such violent thugs Andrew Bolt would have a conversion to the light of Marxism-Leninism.
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Recoome posted:I can't speak for everyone who engages in street activism, but by in large the whole point of showing up as part of a counter-rally is to display that there isn't a universal consensus on ~thing~. Australia's only convicted racist, Andrew Bolt, tries to conflate any form of left-wing street activism with thuggery and violence, which obviously is quite biased (and at best ignores the violent actions and rhetoric of the ultranationalists). To chime in, Bolt is gonna Bolt. The list of 'crimes' of the left he's levelled over the years, they'd have to be the greatest monsters in history. The fact that some believe that trash isn't our problem. Nor is calling them out, not shutting up and going away, or counter-rallying. It isn't an argument worth winning because you can't. The self-styled Right throw this poo poo for years and the minute someone counters it, the sky falls down. Much like the driveby righties who pop up, say something dumb about the UN and run away, refusing to ever explain their dumb point. While I'm on my soapbox this whole dumb as dogshit tone argument about how its the Left's fault that Trump got elected because boohoo they got called mean names is frankly some brilliant culture jamming by some alt-right genius. It's crap. Yup, a bunch of angry people voted the gently caress You option, but not because mean lefties called them names, but because no one of any stripe earning 200k gives a poo poo about them. Especially not the media, of whom a fair many in the US come from the midwest and who you might have thought would have some awareness of their hometown issues and attitudes. So a dumb latte-sipping libertarian Senator got the government to force the ABC to hold public board meetings at its own expense so they can hear the real Australia. Typical urban right wing trash who's never listened to regional radio. Look how easy it is.
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Bent Wookiee posted:I'm against both, but I'm not sure what your point is. Perhaps you can point me to a previous post where you have as strongly condemned these acts?
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My favorite Bolt memory is when he cried about his free speech from the prime position of the front page of the Herald Sun.
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Nibbles! posted:My favorite Bolt memory is when he cried about free speech from the prime position of the front page of the Herald Sun. I'm pretty sure that's part of the obituary montage for when he croaks.
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Recoome posted:I figured that my post was the one you were referencing, so here's my realtalk response rather than "lmao" Recoome posted:Australia's only convicted racist, Andrew Bolt, tries to conflate any form of left-wing street activism with thuggery and violence, which obviously is quite biased (and at best ignores the violent actions and rhetoric of the ultranationalists). Cartoon posted:My point is that you were very quick to 'put the boot in' on people who advocated qualified support for resisting violent fascists while there are actual violent thugs being supported by our government(s) committing violence on peaceful protesters regularly and routinely. Cartoon posted:Perhaps you can point me to a previous post where you have as strongly condemned these acts? I'll try to put this in such a way as I can't be misrepresented: - going to counter-rallies is fine and important for the reasons Recoome mentioned, - seeking out confrontation and violence is a bad idea - I don't think this is exactly a radical idea - one reason for this is that it validates the arguments of people like Bolt. My original post was pointing out what I saw as advocating for violence. - left-wing activism is generally peaceful - Government-supported violence is bad (I can't really believe I need to say this explicitly) I hope this clears things up.
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Amazingly though confrontation and violence aren't synonymous, you can confront someone without introducing their head to a kerb
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This kind of stuff doesn't really bother me. No one who doesn't already agree with everything in that book is ever going to read it. The IPA's appearances on shows like Life Matters on Radio National are farm more insidious. I mean look at this crap, and http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/lifematters/testing-phonics/8058124 [EDIT: actually the CIS, but whatever]
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Recoome posted:Amazingly though confrontation and violence aren't synonymous, you can confront someone without introducing their head to a kerb
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Bent Wookiee posted:Does confrontation between rallies and counter-rallies generally lead to any better outcomes? Non-violent confrontations have literally shut down Reclaim Australia rallies so I think that it works e: Bent Wookiee posted:I don't post very often, apparently for good reason. If you are going to do a drive-by, at least have a good point I guess?
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Recoome posted:Non-violent confrontations have literally shut down Reclaim Australia rallies so I think that it works Edit: At the time, I thought I did.. 
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Bent Wookiee posted:Wow. Do you have anything I could read about this? This is the one I had in mind. Basically we used noise to drown their poo poo out, also they apparently they had PA problems too so it worked well. Also just by occupying a space, you can deny a platform for the fascists to spew their divisive poo poo, so that's good too. Seriously though, they were throwing poo poo at us so it's pretty ironic that we were the "violent thugs" hhaha
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Just on first glance, that proposal for APRA to take over the role of controlling the conditions for investment in housing looks good, however it discounts the real threat of incomes dropping or stagnating into the future as a result of automation. How do you design a system of mass home ownership that takes this into account without solving the problem of falling incomes?
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Les Affaires posted:How do you design a system of mass home ownership that takes this into account without solving the problem of falling incomes? I don't think they see falling incomes as a problem. Well, theirs won't be falling.
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Honestly the prudential regulator trying to centrally plan the housing market seems like lunacy to me.
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I just don't think mass home ownership is even a thing in their ideology. They might pay lip service to it, but they have no intention of taking any responsibility.
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Sorry Wookiee didn't mean to pick on you or make you reticent in posting. There is an often used tactic among the right to attempt to shame people who are standing up for their rights vigorously. 'Too impolite', 'just as bad as the others', 'rent a crowd', those of us who have been at the sharp end of protests deeply resent this sort of tone argument and for good reason. I was often upbraided by even union officials for bringing a sign that just said 'SCAB' to picket lines. 'Counter productive', 'Upsets people unnecessarily'...(etc) Now the only people who had to see the sign were people who were actively undermining what everybody on the picket line were trying to achieve(And forgoing a days pay). I'm sorry but if seeing a sign calling you a scab upsets you, try to, you know, not to be a loving scab. The people who instigate violence at protests are (in my experience) a small group of loonie socialist alliance attention seekers but, more commonly, the police. The incident(s) at parliament house yesterday are a classic example of people 'not protesting the right way'. When you have had enough and the 'right way' has got you nowhere what choice do you have? The righteous condemnation of the protesters and calls for stricter controls to prevent 'terrorism' have been fulsome indeed. No reply necessary.
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ewe2 posted:I just don't think mass home ownership is even a thing in their ideology. They might pay lip service to it, but they have no intention of taking any responsibility. Menzies' Forgotten people speech was all about home ownership.
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I was under the impression that our ridiculous house prices are more the effect of investment rather than ownership?
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Zenithe posted:I was under the impression that our ridiculous house prices are more the effect of investment rather than ownership? Well yeah.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Menzies' Forgotten people speech was all about home ownership. That was the last time they gave a poo poo. Look at Sydney now. When that town gets its act together, then I'll believe they're taking home ownership seriously.
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adamantium|wang posted:https://twitter.com/BevanShields/status/804097198250020864 isn't this really ironic seeing the idea of the building is so people can physically walk and be above the parliament?
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Recoome posted:isn't this really ironic seeing the idea of the building is so people can physically walk and be above the parliament?
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ewe2 posted:I just don't think mass home ownership is even a thing in their ideology. They might pay lip service to it, but they have no intention of taking any responsibility. Home ownership, or to be more accurate home loanership, is a vital bulwark against communism and militant trade unionism.
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adamantium|wang posted:https://twitter.com/BevanShields/status/804097198250020864 That is disgusting. Romaldo Giurgola would be spinning in his grave. Walter Burley-Griffin too. We will be tearing down the Opera House next.
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first they came for the socialists and i did not speak out because i didn't want to prove andrew bolt's point
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Solemn Sloth posted:Home ownership, or to be more accurate home loanership, is a vital bulwark against communism and militant trade unionism. I'm reading The Wages of Destruction and boy oh boy are the industry leaders disappointing. The 20's and 30's in Germany were bloody interesting, it's not at all how it's been painted by mainstream historiography.
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Recoome posted:The goony guy with the blue hat, glasses, and neckbeard is how I imagine Anime Dave to look. Actually I'm a tall guy who stares at doooooooogs And fish... 
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