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Mozi posted:"when we leave the EU we can take those billions and give it to the NHS instead!" that's literally untrue though. britain was the second biggest net contributor so they were giving more money to the eu than they got back including any and all rebates. unless you mean that the economic benefit of being in the eu outweighed the price they were paying, maybe? that's not something anyone can really measure though
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CountryMatters posted:that's literally untrue though. britain was the second biggest net contributor so they were giving more money to the eu than they got back including any and all rebates. unless you mean that the economic benefit of being in the eu outweighed the price they were paying, maybe? that's not something anyone can really measure though lol it's totally measurable and it's totally way more than britain was contributing. there's a program that directly puts cash into Britain's private sector to fund science research for example, horizon i think quote:The CBI estimates that EU membership brings economic benefits to the UK worth as much as €97 billion a year. Even if you took the leave camp's completely false and inflated €300m/week figure that's still only what €15b a year? Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Nov 4, 2016 |
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I know you guys are in the middle of a bad breakup, but I just wanted to let the people of Great Britain know that when you're ready to join The United States of America, we're here for you. You never really belonged with those French and Germans, they don't understand you like we do. We literally speak your language. I get it, they were close, it seemed like a natural fit, but you know who's been there for you through the great wars. Join The Union, baby, you know that you belong with us. Text us
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The Management posted:I know you guys are in the middle of a bad breakup, but I just wanted to let the people of Great Britain know that when you're ready to join The United States of America, we're here for you. You never really belonged with those French and Germans, they don't understand you like we do. We literally speak your language. I get it, they were close, it seemed like a natural fit, but you know who's been there for you through the great wars. Join The Union, baby, you know that you belong with us. Nobody needs another poor violent jobless craphole state
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Nov 4, 2016 17:48
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Kleen_TheRowdyDog posted:this is a desperation move. the (((global elites))) are flipping their poo poo. they don't know what to think. their end is nigh. the union jack will fly free once again. Kleen ate a three day ban for racism for this post. Is there some sort of hidden code I'm not seeing?
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Nov 4, 2016 17:58
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Those brackets have come in to fashion with white nationalists to signify an enclosed Jewish name.
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Nov 4, 2016 17:59
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We're back to probating obviously sarcastic freeper posts in new new old new gibbis.
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Nov 4, 2016 18:14
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Clitch posted:We're back to probating obviously sarcastic freeper posts in new new old new gibbis. kleen has been postin racist poo poo in gbs for years if hes ironic hes dedicated to it yeh it totally would be better if gbs was closed again due to racist retards than to have people get reported vvvv Tolkien minority fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Nov 4, 2016 |
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Nov 4, 2016 18:18
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There really should be "snitch bitch" tags for people that report posts.
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Nov 4, 2016 18:23
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If he's a notorious racist, then I retract my comment. I didn't check his rap sheet to vet him, or anything.
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Nov 4, 2016 18:48
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True fact: George W. Bush once choked on a Brexit.
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Nov 4, 2016 20:35
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quote:Nigel Farage has warned fellow politicians that any attempt to block or delay Britain's exit from the European Union will be met with untold anger from the public. This loving turd doesn't know when to shut the hell up. He sucked the political money teat for years running on the Brexit idea, then when the stars aligned and he finally got what he wanted, he realized that he hosed up and immediately got the hell out. But then he's still pulling poo poo.
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Nov 4, 2016 20:49
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God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title
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that's because he's being bankrolled by russia
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Clitch posted:We're back to probating obviously sarcastic freeper posts in new new old new gibbis.
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Nov 4, 2016 21:00
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Moridin920 posted:lol That program is taken into account when calculating the figure: https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/ quote:In 2015, the UK's ‘public sector receipts’ amounted to £4.5 billion
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Nov 4, 2016 22:01
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Jim Flatline posted:That program is taken into account when calculating the figure: https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/ Well okay but it still ignores the economic benefits being in the EU brings and every independent evaluation I can see indicates Brexit would result in the loss of billions of euros a year to the economy. unless i'm doing my math wrong, £23m a day is £8.4 billion a year. Then you have this: quote:A so-called Brexit could cost the economy as much as £100 billion ($144 billion) and 950,000 jobs by 2020, new research commissioned by the Confederation of British Industry (CBI) has found. quote:Analysis conducted by PwC looked at two possible EU exit situations, both looking at how successful certain trade negotiations would be reached for the U.K., following an exit. So you'd stand to lose, conservatively, around £30 billion a year or more and it could take you until 2030 for the economy to recover back to where you are today. Analysis can be wrong obv but imo 'soft Brexit' where the UK can just retain all the benefits without the free immigration and taxation stuff is a total 100% pipe dream. Why would France/Germany/EU ever agree to something like that where the UK can reap all the benefits without contributing? Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Nov 4, 2016 |
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Nov 4, 2016 22:10
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Solice Kirsk posted:There really should be "snitch bitch" tags for people that report posts. saexit now
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Nov 4, 2016 22:13
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In fact it is in the EU's best interest to make a Brexit as 'hard' as possible to discourage other countries going 'well poo poo if the UK can keep all the cool stuff without having to have open borders and regulation then we want that too!' which would result in the end of the EU.
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Nov 4, 2016 22:15
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Moridin920 posted:Well okay but it still ignores the economic benefits being in the EU brings and every independent evaluation I can see indicates Brexit would result in the loss of billions of euros a year to the economy. Have you read the report commissioned by the CBI?
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Nov 4, 2016 22:16
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actually, its in the US's best interest to prevent brexit because the republic of california is a real thing that could happen
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Nov 4, 2016 22:17
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Can't we just like... i dunno, bomb the UK or somethin loving traitors lets bomb em
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Nov 4, 2016 22:19
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Jim Flatline posted:Have you read the report commissioned by the CBI? is it really sloppily done or something? I haven't, I just take on face value that the UK will lose out on certain economic benefits and it is kind of baffling to me that no one on the leave side wants to acknowledge that as part of the "here is how much we pay to the EU!" stuff aside from kind of a dismissive 'well no one can really quantify that anyway' even though there presumably exist people whose entire job is to quantify that. That particular report may be flawed, like I said I haven't read it myself, but when I was googling just now that wasn't the only report to pop up that indicates similar numbers. Plus like I said, it is in the EU's interest to make Brexit as hard as possible on the UK despite what the UK actually wants to do. I think even if the UK decides on a soft Brexit, France and Germany won't be on board. Blazing Zero posted:actually, its in the US's best interest to prevent brexit because the republic of california is a real thing that could happen inshallah Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Nov 4, 2016 |
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Nov 4, 2016 22:22
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Private Speech posted:Lot's of leavers went on about parliamentary sovereignty. Now the judges said that yeah it should be upheld they suddenly decided that it's not a real british parliamentary sovereignty (because the parliament is full of EU stooges or something). It's stupid bullshit like 'states rights' or whatever You're stupid bullshit.
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Nov 4, 2016 22:31
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bruvs be4 luvs
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Moridin920 posted:is it really sloppily done or something? It's not sloppily done but its conclusions are based on a huge amount of assumptions and caveats that are detailed in the report. It's also modelled on two very specific scenarios which don't really take into account the UK securing trade deals in a reasonable amount of time. For example under one scenario it assumes it will take us 10 years to secure a trade deal with the USA.
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Nov 4, 2016 22:33
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Jim Flatline posted:For example under one scenario it assumes it will take us 10 years to secure a trade deal with the USA. Ah well then yeah it's worth looking at more closely I suppose. That in particular is pretty laughable there's no way it'll take more than a year or two to hammer something out.
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Blazing Zero posted:actually, its in the US's best interest to prevent brexit because the republic of california is a real thing that could happen It's really not.
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Blazing Zero posted:actually, its in the US's best interest to prevent brexit because the republic of california is a real thing that could happen Secession from the United States is illegal. See the American civil war for more information on how that works.
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Moridin920 posted:Ah well then yeah it's worth looking at more closely I suppose. That in particular is pretty laughable there's no way it'll take more than a year or two to hammer something out. CETA took 7 years to negotiate.
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Zzulu posted:Can't we just like... i dunno, bomb the UK or somethin Why would you do that now that they left all on their own?
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ballistics statistics posted:This loving turd doesn't know when to shut the hell up. That's the best part. Farage finally got what he wanted, then immediately resigns because he knows poo poo is hosed. How does this not set off alarm bells for everyone else?
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:That's the best part. Farage finally got what he wanted, then immediately resigns because he knows poo poo is hosed. How does this not set off alarm bells for everyone else? Maybe they're just happy he's gone?
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Moridin920 posted:In fact it is in the EU's best interest to make a Brexit as 'hard' as possible to discourage other countries going 'well poo poo if the UK can keep all the cool stuff without having to have open borders and regulation then we want that too!' which would result in the end of the EU. the only way for the EU to make Brexit "hard" is to strong arm the member countries from making separate (favorable) deals with the UK. by doing this they will make themselves look more authoritarian and exacerbate anti-EU sentiment. so you see the EU is hosed either way, no matter what it does!
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Rutibex posted:the only way for the EU to make Brexit "hard" is to strong arm the member countries from making separate (favorable) deals with the UK. by doing this they will make themselves look more authoritarian and exacerbate anti-EU sentiment. EU countries can't negotiate individual trade deals with the UK and all it takes is one to veto any deal so the UK is going to have to agree to the individual demands of 27 countries or automatically fall under WTO rules in 2 years. All the EU has to do is nothing.
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Nov 5, 2016 04:26
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kecske posted:what I'm saying is kill all boomers Where do I cast my vote?
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Jim Flatline posted:It's not sloppily done but its conclusions are based on a huge amount of assumptions and caveats that are detailed in the report. It's also modelled on two very specific scenarios which don't really take into account the UK securing trade deals in a reasonable amount of time. For example under one scenario it assumes it will take us 10 years to secure a trade deal with the USA. Trade deals take a lot of time to get done, especially when one party has severe delusions of grandeur
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please knock Mom! posted:Trade deals take a lot of time to get done, especially when one party has severe delusions of grandeur are you talking about the UK or the EU?
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Rutibex posted:are you talking about the UK or the EU? He was talking about a trade deal with the US. A US led by one of the two current candidates.
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please knock Mom! posted:Trade deals take a lot of time to get done, especially when one party has severe delusions of grandeur also the Visegrad has already said it will use their vetos on any kind of trade deal between UK - EU unless UK guarantees to preserve the right of free movement, which is what the olds are trying to get rid of due to a paralysing fear of the polish.
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The mass emigration from the Mid East has doomed the EU. Get out while you can.
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Prorat posted:The mass emigration from the Mid East has doomed the EU. Get out while you can. Just don't sign up to schengen, which the UK didn't lol
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