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In the UK we're having a "discussion" about whether morris dancers blacking up is racist. (I guess it's the same sort of thing as minstrel shows in the US?) I hate to sound like a typical sheltered white guy, but I really thought we'd put this to rest. Fake Edit: As I'm typing this there is a guy blacking up on the radio... Real Edit: "It's a shame people don't want to engage and just assume I'm doing it to mock"
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Koalas March posted:Please explain "blacking up" to me. At first I thought you meant like blackface but you said someone was doing it on the radio. Also the term is just awful, lol. Yeah, sorry. That's exactly what it is, the host was describing the morris dancer applying the paint. Apologies for the term, that's what it tends to be called over here.
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Jan 11, 2017 13:48
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JFairfax posted:are you in Cornwall? Nope, nearer Leeds. I don't think the term just a cornwall thing. Just heard Jeremy Vine use it on Radio 2.
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Jan 11, 2017 13:52
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It's definitely more of a Cornish thing, but there's even a pub a few minutes away from here called "The Morris Dancers". It's such a ridiculous thing. Like I've had people go off on one about "But All Lives Matter!" or "But black people can say it" who think blackface is racist.
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Jan 11, 2017 14:32
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Don't you get it? This is our ancient British culture that is under attack. Eugh, white people are poo poo.
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Jan 11, 2017 15:54
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FactsAreUseless posted:It's honestly a pretty easy attitude to understand, especially in an area like this. You're talking about a rural population in England with a tradition going back hundreds of years, and they're being told that it's wrong due to historical and cultural contexts largely based in another country and originating in practices under two centuries old - the minstrel show as we know it comes from the late 1800s (as I understand it, correct me if it's older). That doesn't make it right: blackface is offensive in any context, it's blackface. But you can get why it's hard to convince a group like this, and why it might be a bit more complex than simple white privilege. Oh, of course. I mean more in terms of the "British Culture" that people bring up as something that needs protecting is always poo poo stuff. It's like, black people have trouble getting jobs and housing because of something they can't control. What do white people face? Someone said my old dance was racist! It's not even under attack! The one's in Birmingham have had MPs come out in their defence and the police are investigating the people that heckled them.
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Jan 11, 2017 16:04
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teen witch posted:Wait, is this over heckling? Over being made fun of? Apparently, some people also tried to knock their hats off.
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Jan 11, 2017 16:08
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blackguy32 posted:My post wasn't about forums drama, but rather this notion that has popped back up in the age of Trump that if only people were nicer, then we can win converts to our side. I can be nice, but the kind of ally you want is one that does it of their own will, not one that needs to be coaxed and convinced little by little. That sort of stuff is the usual argument of centrist liberals who aren't actually effected by these issues. I might be wrong but I think history shows that violence is the only way to defeat racists/sexists etc. (as well as being a justified response) and being "kind" to them just let them stamp on you even more.
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Jan 13, 2017 15:52
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Tesseraction posted:My man this is significant and crass revision of the polite discussion on Cable Street. I also just found this article about the decorated first black London Met officer being stopped by the police while on a walk.
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Jan 13, 2017 15:58
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ReidRansom posted:A question for the residents of Negrotown. I was browsing through my news feed this morning and I saw something about some episode of some British show that's being pulled from the air after a bunch of people got their panties in a twist over a white actor being cast to portray Michael Jackson. And it got me wondering, why is this something worth people flipping their poo poo over while Hamilton is praised as good and cool for the exact same reason? Because white people have a history of playing black characters leading to their erasure, but the opposite is completely unacceptable to fragile white people's feelings. In addition to this, Michael Jackson's family specifically said it upset them.
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Jan 13, 2017 16:21
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Jan 13, 2017 16:27
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I was wondering what could have caused KM demodding, never in a million years would I have guessed it was people getting upset over a loving stupid meme picture.
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Jan 19, 2017 20:31
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I'm not an American so forgive me for asking, but is the Democratic party actually doing anything for minority rights, or is it just taking their votes for granted and thinking they'll always have them because they're not the Republicans?
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Mar 30, 2017 09:39
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I agree that anyone who values civil rights in the US should probably vote Democratic, but the problem is that if the party assumes they'll always get your vote you end up with a problem like what we have in the UK, where the Labour party thought it could always count on working class votes so it moved further to the right to chase Conservative voters, and now your choice is between two right wing parties (or one right wing party, if the Labour vote collapses). I'm just wondering if the Dems have moved right to pick up Republican votes or if it's just because of the stalemate between the branches that just makes it seem that way to an outsider. Although I guess it doesn't matter, Trump's proved it's easier for a political newcomer to take over an existing party than start a new one.
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Mar 30, 2017 13:19
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I hate to sound like #NotAllLeftists, but can we stop referring to Sanders and his supporters as 'the left'? He's a milquetoast SocDem and they only support him because they're not racist enough to vote Republican but too racist to agree with the Black Panthers. It just seems like some people here are ignoring the massive contribution that black people have made to Marxism and similar ideologies.
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Mar 30, 2017 22:46
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Angela Davis was similarly skeptical about Hillary.
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Mar 30, 2017 23:40
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I think so, but I've only heard it as a meme, sometimes from fight wingers. The BPP should be the blueprint for any revolutionary movement or strike action in a modern nation IMHO. It's probably no coincidence that it took black people to put socialist self sufficiency within a captive state into action. Brocialists can gently caress off. I don't even know where they come from. I get that historically socialism has been a fairly white, but if you're not into it for the emancipation of all disadvantaged groups the why even bother. Not to mention that it's self destructive, if you manage to move towards socialism only for white people, then there's still a source of labour for capitalists to exploit even further. Congrats on putting yourself out of a job, I guess.
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Mar 31, 2017 07:01
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KirbyKhan posted:The Handmaiden Tale I thought the villains in that were specifically White Men™? I've heard the TV show doesn't really deal with the racial aspect that was more obvious in the book.
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Hey it's working again! but I seem to be missing some posts. It said I had 10 unread but it goes straight from Mr Hootington posted:I wanted it to be him and Rey to both connecting to the force and tag teaming Kylo at the end. It was a disappointment. Dexo posted:I changed the post count per page and it worked
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