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Dexo posted:like I said in the Rap thread. Pablo is really really good musically. I have never particularly been fond of Kanye's rapping. He is unparalleled as a producer, but to me his flow has always felt a bit stilted and he tends to depend too much on simple rhymes. I think he does well because the music is amazing and he speaks to people in a way other rappers don't, but what do I know, I'm just a luddite who's trapped in the 90s when it comes to taste in hip hop.
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Xand_Man posted:No no, they are obviously woke, because look they are at a Talib Kweli concert! He must be referring to other white people. omg I went off on a coworker the other day because he was humming the tune to Astronomy and when I started dropping the lyrics he's all "What is that?" and he had never loving heard of Blackstar (or Mos Def or Talib individually). I was just like "how could you have picked up the tune and absorbed nothing about the source or its message?" and apparently that was just me being a dick for no reason according to him. Tiny Brontosaurus posted:I think it's a real shame! It was a great way for POC teens to explore sketch comedy. I guess it was inevitable though, since there was nothing about it a billion other companies couldn't do. I've had a disturbing amount of coworkers describe popular black viners as "low effort" and "poor production value". It's like, no poo poo, vine enables poor kids with nothing but a cell phone to make comedy that their peers relate to. But for upper-class white people, if they don't get the joke then it must in some way be a threat to them, so they start finding ways to pick it apart.
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Lightning Knight posted:I've noticed that people (predominantly but not always white) have an interestingly difficult time actually understanding music, any music by any artist, on anything but a surface level. You can put the most political music you can find in front of most people and they just won't notice most of the time, because most people don't seem to actually listen to the words of a song other than maybe the chorus. I dunno why this is, but it's unfortunate because there's lots of good protest and left-wing music that people like and just have no idea what it's even about. Was gonna respond with this exact thing: Dexo posted:Right Wing Politicians using 'Born in the USA' never is not funny to me. Baronjutter posted:I love it when right wing politicians take left wing songs and use them for their campaign because the song has the word "america!!" in it or sounds patriotic if you only listen to 2% of the words. One of my favorite moments during the shitshow of Wisconsin's act 10 debacle was the Dropkick Murhpys tweeting at Scott Walker to stop using their songs because they literally hate him. Also Tom Morello showing up and doing a concert in between participating in the protest.
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Death Bot posted:I grew up on white dad music, and spent a very long time thinking of vocals as basically another instrument rather than having much of a message. So much of it was either thinly veiled "I wanna bang" or nonsense words. Definitely people who interact only with music that is pure rhyming nonsense like The Goo Goo Dolls or whatever are trained to attach whatever meaning they personally desire to the lyrics, if they even listen at all. I think, though, there is a subtle condescension in not making an attempt to understand new music you haven't been exposed to before. Sure, it's fine to tune out the words from Generic Pop Band #83 because you've been trained to do that and it's the way you're meant to listen. But when you take in the music of a different cultural group and just try to apply your existing rules to it, I think it reflects a subconscious idea that your group's musical rules are the only ones, and you shouldn't have to learn how other people interact with their music in order to listen to it. This might get you by OK if you're just some gymbro who listens to Waka Floka 24/7 or whatever (ok but I'll admit to listening to Waka Floka), but if you're just some rando white person tuning into the hip-hop station to feel like you have musical credibility and then all you do is say the last word of every line along with the rapper, you're sort of appropriating culture without making an attempt to understand it. Orthogonal to this, Noisey, Viceland's music show, did an episode in Chicago which some members of the community felt put too much of the white producer's filter onto problems that are uniquely black. In response, Noisey held a town hall in which they, for the most part, just shut up and let members of the community speak. It's a really interesting peek at one of the ways white and black music culture can crash into each other in insensitive ways, even purely unintentionally: This is the official video, though I think you need a cable subscription+account to watch: https://www.viceland.com/en_us/video/chicago-the-city-speaks/5717f080759b29d521d94104 Here's a ripped copy someone put on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCnLcZSkvrE If you're a white lurker, I think you should watch this whole thing so you can understand some of the unexpected effects you might have when you have opinions on black culture that are not necessarily informed by a connection to black culture.
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I have about 20 separate arrests on my record, but it's all sealed because Wisconsin is actually pretty progressive about that and seals a minor's record when they turn 18. 15 of my arrests were for stealing food because we were poor as poo poo and the other 5 were situations where I got jumped, somebody in the resulting fight was in a gang, and the police in my hometown would just arrest and charge everyone rather than trying to sort poo poo out. Ah, the joys of growing up in an economically repressed, majority-minority town.
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negromancer posted:I'm no hero. I'm just a black dude trying to make a dollar out of 15 cents. You get in a lot of fights when you're the biggest kid and you have a lot of tough guys trying to prove their worth to whatever gang or group they're trying to get in with. Thank God for medicaid or the number of times I wound up in the er could have taken what little money we had left from us. It's why I started boxing and mma in high school. My mom was literally afraid I was gonna get killed if I didn't toughen up and learn to fight back.
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blackguy32 posted:I couldn't do it. I only spent 2 days in County in my life and I was already bored as gently caress. Was so happy when my mother bailed me out. I think I slept most of the day. The secret is to live somewhere where the jail is constantly so overflowing that they can't be assed to hold you for anything less than a violent felony. My favorite time was when i got a month sentence for stealing a chicken sandwich and was redirected into a "community service" program where the hastily trained officer just had us watch inspirational movies (like Casino, wtf) two nights a week until our hours were up. I saw Saved and Pay It Forward during that poo poo, and there's no way in hell you would have got me to watch those otherwise.
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Dexo posted:They love race traitors though? Is "race traitor" an idea with wide acceptance amongst poc? I thought that was mostly a white supremacist concept, but I guess there's no reason that any group can't be reactive to people breaking norms. Also Kanye looks unhealthy as hell and I hope they can get him help, but I don't have a lot of confidence given how frickin' bonkers Rob Kardashian is and the family doesn't do much about it. negromancer posted:I am an Afro-Pessimist, so there's that. So basically, the American government is an institution created by white (men) to hold whites in a superior position to all others and beyond abolition the nominal granting of civil rights very little has been done to actually restructure the framework that holds whites superior. Consequently Obama's faith that America's government fundamentally works means he was, from the get-go, unequipped to further the cause of black people because the government in its present form is structurally incapable of furthering black rights. Is that about the argument? I have to say, I'd never thought of it like that but it's pretty convincing now that I've got my mind around it. The problems black Americans face can't be resolved simply by putting more black faces in congress. Passing and changing laws here and there just won't fix things and there needs to be some more fundamental structural reform in the government to make it truly able to serve everybody. I have no idea where to even begin that restructuring, other than maybe constitutionally require direct civilian oversight over policing? There should probably be constitutional amendments to protect voting rights too rather than putting it under the auspices of a law whose effectiveness changes with the whims of the court. I was going to say "proportional representation/some other restructured election system" but maybe that's going to far into the Bernie Sanders "changes white people want will help black people too" territory.
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xthetenth posted:I get that impression as well. I think he tried, and I think that the problem is such that doing what he could left a ton of the problem unaddressed. I think he got caught in dealing with the denial white people are in about racism and he never could really get through that and trying to make some changes that would benefit black people. This is is the really hard part to help people understand because it can be both true and also not the whole picture. I absolutely would not have my job if I didn't have a lot of talent and skill that I directed into hard work, but also none of that would have mattered if I did not pass white. It's very hard to get someone past the "are you saying I didn't earn what I have?" phase and I've only succeeded getting someone through that twice (both times by pulling up our internal "black at <company>" group and pointing out that every person [all 18 of them out of 10000 people] on it had names like "Amber Adams" and "James Smith" and so on).
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Maluco Marinero posted:How much power does the president actually have to change things? I mean that seriously, yes they have the power to execute pretty serious things but usually all of those fit into part of the plan for the institution. Here in Australia the Prime Minister only serves at the mercy of their party, the party is able to (and recently has, once for both sides of our political spectrum) switch leaders mid term if they want to. Well, Obama did a lot of compromising as president that he didn't need to. Each time his opponents played brinksman he would "bargain" away things he wanted to get them to do basic stuff like "fund the government". If a president was truly dedicated to some type of reform, he could refuse to sign bills unrelated to that reform until he sees his goals met. He might not be particularly popular as a result and he might even end up being a one-term president, but if he truly and deeply cares about that issue he has that option. So the question is, did Obama value his legacy and the appearance of working within the system more than he cared about the things he advertised as his values? And I think the answer to that question is pretty resoundingly "Yes".
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Wtf is with this avatar? I can't even tell if this is from an actual negrotown poster or from someone who hates negrotown or what. But it sure was jarring to see first thing when I got into work this morning. like all I can figure is that someone thinks mixed-race people aren't allowed itt, but if that's the case why did they make their point by harassing me?
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negromancer posted:Mixed race, trans, all the same to some of these straight white guys since they see neither from their moms basement. I PM'd FactsAreUseless because while I'm glad to take one on the chin if I make a lovely post, I feel like this one is just straight up harassing me based on my actual heritage and I'm feeling more and more upset about it as I sit here. Like some faceless, outside-the-thread racist, is calling me an Uncle Tom because I'm not the right kind of mixed-race for them I guess? Sorry my dad was pale and that passed on to me? edit: Aaaand FactsAreUseless fixed it. Apparently the current system doesn't allow them to see which user is buying avatars and this is something they are planning to fix in the new software so they can actually punish people who are using them to harass. A good interaction with the moderation team. The MUMPSorceress fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Dec 15, 2016 |
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botany posted:It's presumably Effectronica, at least that's the current theory. If that's true it explains all the cranky custom titles I got in the baseball thread too cuz they post there also.
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Panfilo posted:I think they meant it the other way around. Whites are gradually becoming less significant of a majority, but counting Latinos as 'white' would reverse this. Young Latinos are going to be a major voting bloc in the next decade. Most of their parents who immigrated to the US did so when they themselves were young adults. Yeah, that's what I thought the idea was. Latin people who don't have accents are likely to be embraced by white people. There are segments of Latin culture that share a lot of conservative value with large segments of white culture and one of the few barricades to them participating in the white power structure is that they experience racial discrimination from white people. There are plenty of Latin folks who would happily vote R based on family values and such if the other part of the R platform wasn't "deport them all".
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Guy Goodbody posted:A white person who says "all white people are terrible" isn't examining their own actions and attitudes. If they were, they would be saying, "I am terrible". When a white person says all white people are terrible, it's at best just a meaningless, powerless complaint. Traffic sucks, movie tickets are too expensive, white people are terrible. At worst it's performative self-flagellation. Look at me, in my wokeness I can see the indelible stain of whiteness on my soul. Yes. I see this all the time with friends who will happily say "God I hate cops" or react to politics with a "man white people are really loving up the country", but then somehow they are totally in favor of education finance reform (despite disproportionately helping white schools) and don't seem to think it's a problem that they can get away with illegally tinted windows on their car while this is an excuse for the police to pull over and harass a black person (I actually got called an SJW in real life by a coworker for pointing that one out, lol). There's a difference between recognizing, in general, that white people are loving everyone else over and recognizing that you, in particular, are not the one innocent white bystander who is totally not contributing to the problem. This seems like an intractable problem in terms of getting grown adults to recognize this about themselves. You can help kids not think this way, but it would involve actually teaching the history of race in America in a far more nuanced and critical way than "Lincoln freed the slaves, MLK said nice words that got them rights, and now Jay-Z is super rich go America!"
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Wiccan Wasteland posted:Was it this? I feel like this might actually be more racist than just a bog-standard white supremacist account. Spreading racial hatred and revealing their stereotyped assumption that black people are inarticulate gangsters who can't string together coherent sentences.
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I think nearly everyone is guilty of lovely posts in both threads (me included), but personally I think it would be nice if we could go a week without anyone telling anyone else to gently caress off who is not an obvious troll. Like, Jesus christ, this went from a couple people having a disagreement about what it means to be black and turned into a lot of "gently caress you scum" on both sides. I think negromancer is wrong about Obama too but his own experiences probably inform his view and maybe it's worth discussing why he feels this way? What's the point of anything if the threads are just an opinion broadcasting system with very little actual back and forth discussion?
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BeanBandit posted:Yeah, it's because there's a lot of loving scum in this thread from loving idiots like TB. gently caress them. We POC have a lot of poo poo to deal with, and we sure as hell don't need more of it from loving idiot goons. No, stop it. This very post you made is you doing what you're complaining about other people doing. I have something on-topic. I complained to hr today because I noticed that the company Christmas donation list had added the salvation army (a known discriminatory organization) but had no charities that benefited LGBT or black people. The response I was given was "we can't ethically donate to groups that choose beneficiaries based on demographics." My suggestion that more marginalized groups will attain more benefit from the same amount of dollars was responded to with a suggestion that I was simply biased by my personal connection to those groups. This is especially upsetting because they make the donations on behalf of employees. They're essentially telling me "we represent you unless we don't like what you think, then your money is going to bigots".
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negromancer posted:BUT THATS EXACTLY WHAT THE SALVATION ARMY DOES IF THE SALVATION ARMY LITERALLY EXCLUDES BASED ON SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND RACE. Ya there are 20 black people in the whole company and holy poo poo does the sheltered white viewpoint of management start to show once you start paying attention. I won't go into queer issues here, but believe me they're just as ignorant there. I find the lack of diversity chafing (having lots of Indians doesn't count for diversity in the computer industry) but I kind of have to suck it up and deal to care for my family and be close to home. Having grown up in Milwaukee and Beloit, though, it's weird to be somewhere so monochrome. I can see why people think it's normal when a TV cast or movie has one named poc character. They've literally known nothing else.
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Ignorant white question of the day: "If you're mixed, why do you and <black coworker> never use the n word with each other?" Guys, did you know that when sufficient African blood is in the room everyone enters a trance where we all just start speaking pure TV ebonics and throwing hand signals at each other? I literally don't know anyone irl who uses the n word anymore. I haven't heard it since I left Milwaukee. I didn't even know how to respond to this guy's question so I just said I had to go to the bathroom and bailed. Lesson learned; don't go out for drinks with people from Ohio that you have to work with. It always backfires on me. What is with Ohio?
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Dec 19, 2016 05:18
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Dexo posted:Why are you so angry at just how much McDonald's cares about our community. If I've learned anything from all these white girl friends it's that Broad City has caused white girls to completely gentrify the words "yas" and "queen".
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Gaunab posted:I like Broad City. I also remember McDonalds 365black from the Tom Joyner Morning Show. Parent's used to listen to it when I was a kid. So do I, but they started saying yas a bunch and put it on their cell phone soundboard app and suddenly everyone is saying it. The show makes white ppl feel authentic.
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Going back to fashion for a minute, you can see a really interesting real-time exchange and evolution of fashion by observing the trans and drag communities. A lot of trans women simply can't wear an average woman's outfit and look good because we're taller, we have wider shoulders, etc. Trans women often borrow and modify techniques from drag to help feminize their appearance from extreme makeup contouring to body padding and clothing selection and so on. Glam and low fashion queens will then take inspiration from these looks when designing new costumes and the cycle repeats. Eventually something leaks out of the loop and everyone decides some random celeb invented a look that had been evolving back and forth between queens and trans women for years. One of the biggies that's especially relevant here is the makeup contouring techniques poc queens and trans women use to feminize their faces. Black trans women have taken contouring to an insane level because, surprise, facial feminization surgery is less accessible to poc. Queens see what's working for trans girls and then take that up to 11. It's pretty cool and (to answer a question someone asked me ages ago) it's part of why I love drag and think people who get uptight about drag being offensive to trans people (looking at you Jenny Boylan) don't fully appreciate the trans experience. Edit:just want to say this was a phone post and autocorrect was fighting me the whole way so if there's anything that seems off phrasing wise in this post that's why. My phone really wants "trans" to be "trains" for example. The MUMPSorceress fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Dec 21, 2016 |
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there wolf posted:LGBT youth as well, but that usually comes down to not knowing their history and I don't hold them responsible for that. I know that, as someone who's only exposure to queer culture growing up was through media designed for or co-opted by a mainstream het/cis audience, I'd have lapped up the idea that Rocky Horror and drag culture were toxic if tumblr offered it up to me because I didn't know how to see them through the context of my own culture and community. There's a long history of gay men trying to steal trans identity by claiming people as drag queens (right back to Stonewall even) so it's not surprising that some people become overly hostile toward it, but it's short-sighted to see the entire artform as trans-hostile because a few assholes can't stop trying to claim All The Queer Stuff. Laverne Cox is doing amazing work just by existing in the public consciousness. She's made a whole bunch of people aware that transwomen and trans poc exist, and through Orange is the New Black she's got a bunch of people who otherwise probably wouldn't give a poo poo empathizing with that viewpoint. It's a very much oversanitized view of what the trans poc experience is, but it's a start! Good drag parodies all the ridiculous constructions of what femininity (or masculinity, there's drag kings too!) is that we have in our culture and turns it into a performance that brings people together. I don't understand a person who lives through all the assumptions people make of them based on their appearance/gender identity and comes out with the lesson "drag is bad because people assume I'm a queen" rather than "assumptions are bad because non-queers treat queens and trans people badly and like they're the same thing." Buncha trans Carltons.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Do it, it's important to be reminded that there's so much more to the black experience than the straight cis black male experience. And I'd feel remiss if I didn't defend my boy Carlton, because he did get things eventually, he just needed to be yelled at a lot first. Much like some goons I know I have every DVD set of Fresh Prince and now I feel a strong urge to watch it again after I finish Revolution (aka: Crackers in the Apocalypse part 12). The only POC is a duplicitous bad guy with anger problems who disowns his son for not wanting to be a wanton murderer. Because of course. Has there ever been a positive depiction of black people in a post-apocalypse scenario? Now I'm kinda genuinely curious because I'd watch/read the poo poo out of that. And yes, please post about intersectional topics as long as it links into black experience somehow. If we can talk about comic books with black characters we can talk about intersections between the queer and black communities (it's most of what I post about  ).
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Kubrick posted:For post-apocalyptic TV: Haven't seen Jeremiah, but Hawkins had plenty of that duplicity and anger problems stuff going on. He was still quite a stereotype.
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biracial bear for uncut posted:Does nerdy sci-fi that takes place in a universe after some distant-past Earth cataclysm count? Are we about to mourn the death of Ron Glass?
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Dec 21, 2016 15:56
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there wolf posted:Does positive depiction exclude all villains, or just shoddily written ones? Aunt Entity is probably one of the best characters to come out of Mad Max, even if she was an antagonist. Mostly I have a problem with black characters built out of lovely stereotypes, so the latter really.
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there wolf posted:The role was supposedly written Tina Turner in mind before they'd even asked if she'd do it. I really like the idea of George Miller sitting down, pen in hand, to think "how would Tina Turner run a lawless distopia in the isolated wastes?" Seems fine to me. The sort of villains I'm talking about tend to have a list of traits sort of like this:
You just see this guy over and over in so many movies and shows and it gets annoying. Hell, in the case I'm talking about (Revolution) the same actor played a similar villain in Breaking Bad (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giancarlo_Esposito) and while he had slightly more depth in that show, he still mostly checked all the boxes I list above. There's lots of stereotyped roles for white people too, but what I think is worth noticing is that there's a greater diversity of what stereotypes white characters slot into, whereas there's only a couple archetypes that most black characters slot into. A lot of this is, probably, the total lack of exposure most Hollywood people have to any kind of black experience and TB is a brave soul for dedicating her career to fighting against this issue.
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there wolf posted:What do you think the split is on stereotypes that are actually about white people vs. archetypes so consistently cast as white that the race gets encoded into them? Like rednecks which are a stereotype of a certain kind of white culture, vs. the useless damsel in distress love interest? Rather than make conjecture of my own, I'd like to hear what TB has to say on this one since she has direct experience, but my gut feel is it's some of both.
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Dec 21, 2016 19:31
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Neurolimal posted:Chiwetel Ejiofor in both Serenity and Children of Men, both were unique and sympathetic. His character in Serenity just didn't make any god damned sense, but that move was extremely bad. Him in Kinky Boots is one of my favorite roles ever.
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Panfilo posted:I think perhaps part of the problem with black typecast villains is that the writers are playing into the anxieties of white audiences about black men. So the character becomes this exaggerated vision of what an 18-35 year old white guy would find in intimidating. While white villains can be cunning, well connected, skilled etc black villains often seem to be much more physical. Like I said, I think Gustavo had more depth than some of Esposito's other roles, but he was still definitely a guy who let the people he considered family be harmed by the cartel to make his way up, and he simultaneously trusted no one and screwed everyone. He resorted to violence easily, even if he was less personally physical about it. It definitely comes off less 2d/stereotypey in a show as good as Breaking Bad (last season aside), but the pattern is still definitely there.
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Gaunab posted:Some of those seem like general villain stereotypes. I won't argue about black characters in general needing to be fleshed out. I've seen way too many movies and shows where they've had the black characters fade into the background. That may be partially true, but it's still worth nothing that there are frequently white villains who do not have these characteristics but black villains always have at least some of them. Less variety == stereotyping.
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So should I watch it or not? I never got around to it and people constantly telling me to watch it set off my gently caress you dad reflex. I tend to be so on the fence about HBO shows in general for how they just throw tits everywhere for no reason, so if the wire treats black characters the way the whole channel treats women I can't imagine I'll enjoy it much.
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Dec 24, 2016 22:37
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BRJohnson posted:If I take out the last part of my previous post, will you guys respond to the rest of it? I'm not trying to start a big argument in this thread I've never posted in before, and I can just, ya know, leave... but I'd like to hear what people have to say about my post and the two preceding it. I'll make this really easy for you: Black people are the victims of white society. Black people might point out how white society has victimized them, but it is in no way the black community's job to carefully hold white people's hands through fixing their fuckups. It is the job of the victimizer to knock it off, not of the victim to somehow through meekness and polite explanation magically make their abuse go away. Would you tell a woman to "just stop walking into doors" if she told you "please stop beating me every day?" Hell no. The white people basically beat down black people every single day and then when black people say "please stop hurting us" white people get all bent out of shape that the black people spoke up and insist that black people coach them on precisely how to fix white people's racism.
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The mods in this forum don't give a gently caress about any type of minority. They've pulled this bullshit with black threads and they're doing the same to queer threads now too. They moved the trans thread to byob and gave us an IK who can only enforce rules inside that thread. Meanwhile any time I wander into GBS I see someone posting a picture of a trans woman and there will be at least ten unpunished responses saying "she's a man". I've PMd FactsAreUseless about this issue a number of times, pointing out that a bunch of cis mods can't possibly understand the coded language that is used to attack trans people and each time he promptly drops the conversation. SA is never going to change until we actually have mods that represent its minority groups and that's never going to happen because the moderators are a good ole boys club.
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Jan 10, 2017 16:34
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Nevvy Z posted:Don't forget the rotating threads for making fun of women for being overweight! forgot that one. I literally volunteered to donate my time to moderate specifically queer issues only since the mod team keeps saying they don't have enough time and it's too hard. I said I could be restricted to punishing only attacks on queer people and anti-queer language, but he noped the gently caress out of the conversation. They don't want to lose their veil of incompetence that lets them claim the problem is too hard to solve because the real answer is "punish assholes" and the consequence of that is, yes, the posterbase may shrink a bit and that is seen as a universal bad even if it results in higher-quality posting.
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Jan 10, 2017 16:41
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Darth Walrus posted:Speaking of QCS, holy motherfucking poo poo that 'what kind of community are you trying to foster' thread. jfc. People literally can't understand that saying "don't use slurs as punchlines" is not saying "no mean jokes ever". Bunch of kids who only see things in black and white.
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jfc. i regret engaging in that qcs thread, incidentally. people are already piling in with tranny jokes and pointing out that there's black mods so therefore the black posters who feel unrepresented are wrong.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:This is one thing I've wanted to ask the thread's opinion on previously but didn't want to interrupt ongoing conversation. There seems to me to be a widespread expectation of forgiveness place upon family members of slain people of color, that somehow the proper thing to do, almost automatically, is to express forgiveness of the killer, almost regardless of any other consideration, and that should a person of color not extend that forgiveness, they're somehow exceptionally worked up or out of line to the point where their anger invalidates anything else they may have to say on the subject. Personally, I've more than once found it exceptionally crass how quickly interviewers often jump to the "do you forgive his/her killer?" question, like some sort of bizarre shibboleth on Good Black BehaviorTM. And as a result, I have to wonder if all such expressions of forgiveness are sincere, or in some cases are said simply because it's what white people expect and yet another unjust hoop that must be jumped through as part of daily life. Or am I entirely out of line here? to quote an old forums meme: "look within ur heart and you will see the answer"
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