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Baronjutter posted:I thought everyone complained SA was a nest of horrible SJW's and internet marxists, now it's a hive of alt-right radicalization? That'll happen once you ban everybody who toxxed for human decency
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Nov 11, 2016 10:00
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Lightning Knight posted:I am sincerely confused. But also as mentioned I suppose it's usually without the -r which I imagine is important. The people you're quoting are putting the word "friend of the family" in the white man's mouth, which is where it lives. Black people talking to each other use "nigga," which is a reclamation of the slur and doesn't mean the same thing.
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Nov 11, 2016 20:03
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Lightning Knight posted:So how do you feel about that reclamation? Personally I don't say "nigga," but I don't care if other black people do. In an intangible way I can't quite express it's more of a male thing than a female thing anyway, so it doesn't come up much in my life.
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Nov 11, 2016 20:12
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Africans consume american cultural exports just as much as anybody else, so they've absorbed our messaging about "thugs" and think they're as above all that as everyone else in the world does.
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Nov 11, 2016 20:15
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McCloud posted:Yeeeaaah, if you're thinking of going there to get away from racism and xenophobic political parties, well...it's complicated. It's about the same here as in the rest of Europe, and it's going to get worse before it gets better. Which incidentally, sums up the situation for just about everyone right now. The UK had slavery, they just ended it earlier than we did. On the islands, not sure about the colonies but I'm sure that continued long past, maybe under another name.
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Nov 11, 2016 20:39
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Kassad posted:The UK is like France: different type of bullshit than in the US, but there's no less of it. That's a really good rule of thumb in general. There is no racism-free country, there are just different types of racism.
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Nov 11, 2016 21:09
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Wiggy Marie posted:Latina from the South checking in. Thank you all for this thread. I have learned a ton from reading through the experiences, links and other information shared here. Mysogynoir is also fantastic, and I'm trying to think of a good question. I guess I prefer systemic, since it's not like the blatant racists don't also have systemic racism. At least when the blatant stuff is toned down I can get a moment's peace once in a while.
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Nov 11, 2016 21:47
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negromancer posted:Anyone else watching Designated Survivor? Really? I watched the pilot and it just felt like a dumbed-down west wing. I never expected them to get into anything substantial. Tell me about it! Wiggy Marie posted:Thanks for the responses! It's a good point, one form of racism enables the other. Isn't he great! I have no idea who bought him for me but I think he might be my best bronto yet. He looks so intrepid.
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Nov 12, 2016 06:18
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Yeah it's not a bad tool, it's just that you need more than one tool to fight harassment because people harass for different reasons. Sometimes just being visibly not alone is enough to get the person to stop - I'm sure I'm not the only woman who's faked a cell phone conversation on a walk home when some dude was following me.
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Nov 12, 2016 07:21
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Panfilo posted:If jurors got compensated better for their time I'm sure you'd see more diverse juries. I'm assuming most people that intend to sit on a jury are old white people because they have the privilege of time. If people didn't have to bow out because of financial reasons more people of color could afford to participate. I don't think you are allowed to bow out for financial reasons, are you? The rich white people I know are shocked that anyone might ever not dodge jury duty. It's universal in their set.
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Nov 12, 2016 19:26
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Fluffdaddy posted:I thought jobs were required to match your salary/hourly wage when on jury duty Hahahahhaahaha no. They're required to make up a non-jury-duty-related excuse if they want to fire you for taking the time off.
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Nov 12, 2016 19:38
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POC are way more likely to work for an employer who will fire you just for showing up for jury selection. It's great that judges frown on that, but it doesn't do a drat thing to help you when you're calling in.
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Nov 12, 2016 20:03
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Who What Now posted:I just wanted to say that arguing against the assholes in USPol trying to say racism had nothing to do with why Trump won is aggravating and exhausting. I can't imagine having to deal with it every single day of your lives whether you wanted to or not. Don't worry, all the CSPAM brogressives got together and determined that the election was lost because Lena Dunham talks despite not being fuckable.
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Nov 12, 2016 20:04
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The problem with a lot of well-meaning protections our government has is they're designed by middle-class white people who can't comprehend disenfranchisement. California has some of the most pro-worker labor laws in the country, but they're completely UNenforceable because you have to be able to afford a lawyer and be powerful enough to feel immune to blacklisting within your profession.Aerox posted:Yeah, unfortunately there's no immediate solution if for, like most people, being fired on the spot means you're immediately in serious financial trouble. That's good to hear but I always wonder how it works when the person who complained is back on the job. Retaliatory actions suddenly become a life-threatening risk if you work anywhere where your safety depends on the people around you, like a kitchen or factory. Tiny Brontosaurus fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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Nov 12, 2016 20:15
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There's no protection at all for delayed or plausibly denied retaliation, because POCs (and women) are just crazy, just making things up for attention, just trying to cause trouble. Even allies do this, because when you hear that something outrageous has happened the first instinct is to establish your Reasonable Person bonafides. "Are you sure you aren't overreacting?" will be the last thing ringing in our ears when the bomb falls.
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Nov 12, 2016 21:23
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quote:If you're all so willing to paint us with such a broad brush, as a white male I have no qualms going back to being politically apathetic. They always think we'll beg them to stay...
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Nov 12, 2016 21:28
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Rexicon1 posted:Of course racism had a major part in why Trump won. Who is saying otherwise? Racism might be the most powerful political force in the United States?? Literally everyone on SA who is not a constructive contributor to this thread is saying that Trump won not because of racism but because of liberal smugness and how fat Lena Dunham is.
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Nov 12, 2016 21:44
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Rexicon1 posted:Don't loving condescend me you loving coward. I'm on your side 100% but you are lashing out in this thread and others. I understand where you are coming from and I'm trying to find solutions to a problem. You are running around pissing everywhere and making idle threats. Ugh for chrissake, another one of these. Get out.
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Nov 12, 2016 21:47
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FuturePastNow posted:So the only constructive posters are those who agree with you, got it. Swing and a miss, douchebag. You've got the run of new alt-right flavor SA if you want to pull this poo poo. If you're posting here you're going to need to employ reading comprehension.
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Nov 12, 2016 22:38
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This mentality of "hi I think of myself as a human being" "Oh you're so entitled demanding everyone AGREE with you" everything is equal truth is in the middle bullshit is exactly what got us here. Sometimes both sides aren't equally bad. Sometimes two opinions aren't equally valid. Sometimes there's such a thing as right and wrong.Peel posted:White Brit here: The C-SPAM thread will nod in assent if you remind people about racism and how they mustn't compromise on fighting it, but it definitely feels like it vanishes from the thread's collective mind the moment it stops being pushed into the conversation. C-SPAM is only more of the same. C-SPAM is the white comfort zone USPOL wanted to be before it was taken over by the exact people all the minorities were being so uppity about.
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Nov 12, 2016 22:40
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Maluco Marinero posted:gently caress off mate, white people voted in racism, own it. Seriously though, there's so much hand wringing about demographic voting because of voluntary voting in America. I'm used to Australia where it's mandatory to vote, so polling stations are created to meet 100% demand, and the Australian Electoral Commission takes its job seriously. We're still racist as gently caress, and that bears out in what parties get elected (although the minority party is growing), but at least we're not enabling the tools that prevent so called liberals from seeing the demographics for what they are. I daydream about mandatory voting but then I worry it would just be used as another cudgel against minorities. Bar them from voting and then fine them for failing to do so.
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Nov 12, 2016 22:47
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Darth Walrus posted:I think it should also be pointed out here that Trump's presidency will gently caress over everyone. There is not one person who will not be hurt, or whose life will even be be meaningfully improved by having him as their president. White straight folks were just too insulated to realise they'd be on the list. Yeah if he fucks with trade agreements like he promised his base he would, lots of cushy white collar jobs are going to evaporate.
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Nov 12, 2016 22:54
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Panfilo posted:This is definitely something that I am realizing. Also, saying stuff like "Difference of opinion" is reserved for things like "I don't like coffee" not "I don't think black people deserve basic human privileges" . Huge blind spot for a whole lotta white people. I'm so glad you're realizing it, and I want to repeat what I've said: Anybody interested in coming around on this stuff, I welcome you and I will help you. You don't have to figure it all out on your own. Come together, it's the only way we'll survive.
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trying to understand. I feel guilty about that; people can change but they should still own up to who they were up to that point (as the son of a born-again Christian dad who likes to pretend everything that happened the 42 years before he found Jesus wasn't relevant).
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Cop Porn Popper posted:I knew a dude like this in my town. Full swastika on his chest, would drive around singing poo poo from american history x, would spout vile poo poo about gay people constantly, the whole nine yards. A friend of mine at the time was a five foot tall flamboyantly gay cuban who decided his mission in life was to literally gently caress this guy in the rear end after finding out he lived two streets away. It took him about two weeks to do the deed, but he finally succeeded and proceeded to spread that poo poo across the entire town. Angry redneck dude left town in shame within a month. Was it... consensual?
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Nov 13, 2016 05:56
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What the gently caress, you assholes. If you can't talk about dating without being paint-peelingly misogynistic you don't need to be talking about dating in here. Women are human beings.
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Nov 13, 2016 18:09
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:Where's the misogyny? Darko posted:We're talking about numbers and sweeping demographics - not individuals. I don't see any misogyny as I have talked/seen the reverse dating trends being talked about in the same way. I may have missed something, though - can you point out any examples of any misogyny? I'm not even playing this poo poo you loving dickheads. Imagine someone in here going "where's the racism?" "we're just talking numbers and sweeping demographics." If you cannot recognize and respect the humanity in all other people you are just some trump-voting trash as far as I'm concerned.
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Nov 13, 2016 18:20
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Darko posted:No, black people are statistically are more religious and more likely to be single mothers, especially in urban areas. WOMEN ARE PEOPLE YOU loving SHITSTAIN. They are not "taken." They are not THINGS. They are loving PEOPLE.
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Nov 13, 2016 18:26
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Darko posted:Again, point out a specific instance if you see a problem. I'll directly apologize for anything I personally said that is actually misogynist. No I will not argue the fact of my personhood with you point-by-point, misogynist, no more than I would with a racist. You hosed up, you do the learning. Or just shut the gently caress up and gently caress off forever, that would be great too.
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Nov 13, 2016 18:34
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Darko posted:That's why I put quotes around those terms when I used them (there's a chance I missed one, but I did it constantly to draw that distinction). The quotes indicated that it was using the colloquial term for familiarity and how it is generally viewed and not using my actual phrasing. The quoted words are far from the only problem with what you've been saying, you dehumanizing prick.
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Nov 13, 2016 18:37
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Darko posted:Why didn't you guys have the same problem with me when I made the exact same defense for black women in the other thread? I did, douchebag, I did.
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Nov 13, 2016 18:51
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Darko posted:That was the other guy not me. I said I understood the gut feeling because you see the comparisons with the guys around you, which causes you to focus on the larger response, but that it wasn't something that should be singled out either. Quit doubling down! What the gently caress is wrong with you? Why can't you loving get this? I believe you that you can't see the problem. But there is one, and you need to have enough fundamental respect for other people to believe it exists. Stop loving making it worse! Shut up and loving learn so maybe you will be less of a godawful misogynist tomorrow. gently caress.
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Nov 13, 2016 18:53
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Darko posted:Sorry about that, I will try to better watch my phrasing in general. I know understand the points being levied against me, and apologize again, for coming off that way. It's not about word choice and I'm getting a little sick of the pattern where the bigot ignores the arguments of people he's bigoted against, but gratefully accepts the lesser charge from a well-meaning ally from his own side. This applies to all of you loving assholes so the next person chiming in "not me!" can go gently caress himself. Yes, the words you used were bad. But the ideas they were communicating were also bad. You don't see women as human, and you're baffled that anyone would, which is horrifying in a serial killer kind of way. You resent and deny women's agency, their right as human beings to choose who they date. They are doing it wrong because they didn't choose you. You are the only human in the story, so these things must cater to you, and since they didn't they are malfunctioning things. You objectify women's bodies. A body you don't want to gently caress is a body that shouldn't exist, and you resent being reminded that they do. It's an injustice against you that these women failed to construct bodies that please you. You're all sitting here commiserating about how one of the many burdens in your life is all these gat-danged unfuckable women! Oh but you have statistics so it's okay. Because there's never been such a thing as scientific bigotry. Nothing you say against racism means anything at all now, because if you deny anyone's humanity you deny it all.
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Nov 13, 2016 19:39
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Koalas March posted:Check this out: http://megachurchsuits.com Ma'am are you lost? Do you need assistance? 
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Nov 14, 2016 08:01
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negromancer posted:No, they need to be forced to listen to her rap. He's so loving good! You know what, if that's a side effect of this topsy-turvy world I'll take it. Do white people even know about Sway?
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Nov 14, 2016 22:26
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BROCK LESBIAN posted:We do but only as the guy from MTV with the hat. Well now he's a guy from RADIO with a hat!
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Nov 14, 2016 22:32
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Trabisnikof posted:General populous I believe. populace 
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Nov 15, 2016 21:02
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Thaddius the Large posted:By my limited experience, you take two juvenile males with identical behaviors, one white and one black, the white kid gets diagnosed with bipolar disorder, sent to a treatment facility where he's medicated, and then stepped down to community based services. The black child is diagnosed with conduct disorder and sent to juvenile detention where he spends the remainder of his formative years in a cell receiving (at best) 30 minutes a week of group therapy, not to mention the whole thing about being railroaded into the criminal justice system. The very idea of a "conduct disorder" is so horrifically dystopian. There is a staggering amount of racial and gender bias in mental health, more than we can probably comprehend from a contemporary perspective. Much of it boils down to it not being socially permissible to be angry or upset. When bigotry is invisible to your doctors, you must be reacting to "nothing" and thus crazy.
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negromancer posted:Another huge problem is the overdiagnosis of intelligent black children (especially one far and above white children of comparable age) with ADD or ADHD because the rote learning material is slow and garbage, but if you're a genius white child they just pull you out of the system and give you all the things necessary to be a superstar. I had the exact same thing happen growing up. Every teacher I had in elementary school wanted to drug me up, to the point of threatening my parents with expulsion if they didn't. I know my "angry black girl" reputation here and people's latent just-world reflexive assumption that any bad thing that happens to someone must at least be a little deserved has everyone reading this imagining what a terror I must have been in class, but I was raised by very strict parents and never would have dreamed of acting up in class or talking back to a teacher. The terrible behavior disorder my teachers wanted to medicate out of me was simply that I finished my class reading early and would read my own book or draw until the rest of the class was finished. Over and over again teachers would interpret this as me "not doing my work," even though I and my parents kept pointing out that it was because my work was finished. I also got labeled a cheater by default, and had to take most of my tests out in the hallway instead of with the class. More than once a teacher threatened me with detention for "disrupting the class" when I walked in to turn in my finished test before the white kids were done, so I learned to just sit and stare at the wall until the end of the period every time there was a test. Doing anything to entertain myself like reading or even doing other homework would have been interpreted as "cheating" by any passing teachers and/or snitchy white kids. All this snowballed into a thing where, much like here with the mods, my reputation as a "troublemaker" earned me harsher punishments and got me singled out for discipline frequently. There was also one time a white mom saw me talking to two other black kids and warned the PTA that there was gang activity in the school.
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Art is good and important. Not least it shapes the majority's understanding of minorities. It's one of the most powerful tools we have to combat oppression.
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