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K Prime posted:saying that racism is not a rational thing isn't letting anyone off the hook for anything. racism is irrational. It is not affected by facts. you don't reason someone into racism. trying to treat it as a rational thing is only going to lead you down an increasingly wrong path. Right. Everybody is irrational in some way. We are not perfect rational actors all the time. There is nothing rational about a lot of the poo poo we do but we still do it.
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Rexicon1 posted:Barreling into it with a good goddamn reason. This thread is just as poisonous as that poo poo on CSPAM and is loving detrimental to causes I've been working most of my adult life to change. And part of it is real goddamn anger at a bunch of half-woke children having their hugbox disturbed by an opinion that isn't "said the right way". So if it is that poisonous, then why the hell are you still here? Seriously, we aren't messing with you. If you dislike the thread, you can leave at any time.
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Rexicon1 posted:My first post was a response to someone complaining specifically about something I said that he misconstrued into oblivion. Perhaps my wording was incorrect in saying that no one was saying that, I know that there is a strong cohort of racists in this forum who have trouble with this. And, again, as a person of color, I think that there really needs to be some reflection on how we are actually going to change the white working class perception of things. Saying all this stuff about "no one can be convinced if they vote for trump etc." is fatalist and will only lead to further defeat. This isn't just a white working class issue. Whites across all classes voted for Trump. Likewise, I don't think I need to coddle people to gain equal rights. It isn't our job to change people's minds. Because saying some simple loving poo poo like Black Lives Matter is automatically turned into a racist thing. So no, it isn't from lack of understanding that racists are being racist.
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teen witch posted:I don't think they're here on a goodwill mission Getting rid of "friends" on Facebook helped. Limiting the threads I visit on d and d helped too.
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I am always weirded out when my patients always ask me where I am from. I work in the Medical Center in Houston and I guess most of the black nurses there are immigrants and they are immensely surprised when I tell them that I was born and raised in Houston. Although now that I think about it, I think I am the only black male non-immigrant nurse on that floor. The floor also keeps trying to make me a charge nurse but I keep trying to delay it because you don't get paid more for doing it, and its more responsibility. The only upside is that you only have to take care of 1 patient. Also, working in nursing, you get to see first hand the differences in treatment. Sickle Cell people sometimes live at the hospital because their crisis brings them there often. But I have seen some large amounts of bullshit that doctors pull on us and the patient where they change the patient's pain medication but don't tell the patient. Then when we go to give it, the patient is really upset. It's not as bad as cystic fibrosis as a disorder in terms of life expectancy, but cystic fibrosis gets quite a bit more funding.
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Morby posted:Ok, how do you engage people about privilege when they are absolutely hostile to the very idea? I mentioned to a friend that Steve Bannon's appointment scares the poo poo out of me and was essentially told "I'm tired of people blaming me for Hillary losing and I'm tired of being told I'm racist! quote:Beware of those who seek to make you question your own pain and oppression because it is simpler than acknowledging their own privilege and lack of empathy - your doubt will always benefit them. Basically, he's just being willfully ignorant and if he REALLY wanted to learn, he would find out for himself.
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Morby posted:Oh god no not the racist tree. I'm basically gonna sever. That's at least the 4th or 5th person this week. They basically want to be friends with you on their terms and their terms only. I mean, it is up to you if you want to put up with the bullshit, but right now, this is easy mode anti-racism. It doesn't take much to denounce a noted white supremacist.
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The thing I fear is that white people have just learned all the wrong lessons from this. I want them to realize how strong white supremacy is, but all people seem to be doing is doubling down on Democratic party internal politics, which I guess helps, but doesn't really get at the root of the problem.
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Morby posted:His rep isn't so hot with me, but I can't deny that he makes good music. Are young black people negatively responding to stuff like his Trump comments or Kim K or what? I stopped defending Kanye a while ago but at this point, even his music is kind of suffering. I used to think it was because of his mother passing, but he made the excellent Dark Twisted Fantasy album, but since then, his output has been rather lackluster.
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I used to love DBZ but after a certain point, I just lost all interest in it. I felt like the quality fell off a rock after the cell saga and they just sidelined most of the characters that weren't Vegeta or Goku. I couldn't even work up the urge to see the new Frieza movie because it felt so pointless after they had already fought gods, yet they were going back to fighting someone way weaker. I also used to love wrestling but stopped watching when I left for college in 2003. But holy poo poo, talk about a company that didn't know how to treat or take advantage of its black wrestlers that weren't The Rock.
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So what's people opinion here on populism? Considering the United States history with it, I am super skeptical about it because usually it ends up being racist as gently caress. But is there a way to reconcile a populist message with identity politics?
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The movie "Get Out" looks intriguing. We don't get too many horror movies with black leads. I'm wary because I strongly dislike Key and Peele and it was written and directed by Peele. I guess it couldn't have come out at a better (or worse) time because white anxiety is so high, especially since it features the black lead meeting his white girlfriend's parents for the first time.
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1stGear posted:Can I ask why? Like Zegermans said, I found their show to be pretty stereotypical at times with very little of the awareness of the Chappelle show.
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Rick_Hunter posted:I think they were very aware of their type of comedy considering they were both biracial. They had a bunch of skits where they would have to deal with being black and acting white. I never said that they couldn't do it. I said I disliked them for it. I don't really find their show funny and at times it feels like a minstrel show.
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https://newrepublic.com/article/138921/bernie-sanders-meant-say-identity-politics So apparently Bernie Sanders called out what I would call tokenism and identity politics. But I can't help but think that the man hasn't learned poo poo from the primary and just doesn't know how to speak beyond general economic issues.
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This slap fight is silly. One can criticize Key and Peele without having to go into their experience as black people.
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negromancer posted:In other news: At this point, I get more pissed at white liberals than conservatives and I know I shouldn't. It's irrational as hell but I can't help but feel moreanger directed at them.
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It's there because people can just easily ignore it until it comes election time and then after every defeat, white moderates go back and say that we need to appeal to "white working class" folks. I mean, look at how much these people eat Bernie Sanders's poo poo up, and then when he lost went straight for Trump while at the same time calling Hillary Clinton a poo poo candidate. I have no problems with opinions, but that just makes my head spin. The easiest answer is that they want to appear to be allies, but they don't want to be allies. It's basically, I am a ally until its inconvenient for me. Then I am taking my ball and going home. blackguy32 fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Nov 28, 2016 |
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Has there ever been a black Superman? I was at the gym and started thinking about how the movie Man of Steel and Batman vs Superman might have played out if Superman was black. Like how would the World react to basically a god figure being a black person. Have any comic books touched on that kind of subject matter? negromancer posted:I don't mind the word negro. TBH, I don't think I've ever met another black person that has been bothered by the word negro. I think that's in part by it being the preferred term (relative to everything else we were called then) and you would frequently hear and see it in Civil Rights Era media. I know that in Academic papers, it is a big no-no. But there are still organizations out there that still use it for historical reasons. Same as with the term colored. I do remember that my dad used to call me "negro" when he was mad at me about something. blackguy32 fucked around with this message at 08:25 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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Fluffdaddy posted:Yes, one of the alternative Earths has a black Superman, who is kind of an Obama figure. He is currently in the Earth 2 final countdown comics. Like do any of them deal with issues of responsibility like Man of Steel or Batman vs Superman? It just got me to thinking that if Superman was black, would he attempt to save a racist society? What would he use his powers for? Also, how would white society treat a Demigod that is basically their savior?
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negromancer posted:Except he was wrong and dangerously arrogant in the movie. Basically everyone was. The entire premise that sets the movie up is flimsy and stupid.
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I couldn't do it. I only spent 2 days in County in my life and I was already bored as gently caress. Was so happy when my mother bailed me out. I think I slept most of the day.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:The secret is to live somewhere where the jail is constantly so overflowing that they can't be assed to hold you for anything less than a violent felony. My favorite time was when i got a month sentence for stealing a chicken sandwich and was redirected into a "community service" program where the hastily trained officer just had us watch inspirational movies (like Casino, wtf) two nights a week until our hours were up. I saw Saved and Pay It Forward during that poo poo, and there's no way in hell you would have got me to watch those otherwise. I remember I missed class because of it and had to report it in nursing school. Thankfully, the board didn't care too much because of pretrial diversion. But there are far stronger black people than I. Because living that life is them every day.
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negromancer posted:Gotta love how white liberals are still shouting up and down about identity politics like white people aren't the undisputed champions of that poo poo. I guess they figure that minorities are going to vote Democrat anyways. Also it's basically them lashing out at everybody but themselves, similar to Dan Savage and the prop 8 vote.
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Calvin's got a job! Go head on Calvin!
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Boondocks was ok. It had the tendency to go overboard with Uncle Ruckus but good show, except for the last season.
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my girlfriend is Legos posted:I had no idea there was a 2014 season until just now. I understand McGruder wasn't involved in it, but in what way was it bad? Just think of it as the Boondocks without most of the social commentary that makes the show interesting in the first place. A lot of the characters just really don't play much of a role and a lot of times, its just downright boring. I honestly, don't think I even finished the whole season.
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OMG sriracha pudding! posted:~~ incoming white person post ~~ I saw it when it came out, own it on Blu-ray, but really haven't seen it since. There were parts about it that kind of pissed me off, most of them involving Gabe, Sam's boyfriend. In a movie full of complex stuff that people constantly get called out on, he just kind of felt preachy and nobody ever called him out on his poo poo. The tipping scene resonated with me. I always try to tip 20 percent if not more. I found Dennis Haysbert's character interesting in how he has that role and kind of has to play into the power structure.
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Dexo posted:Hey interested in going back to the military? The replies to it and the fact that they keep trying to tweet through it without issuing an apology is hilarious as hell.
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Not to mention that chattel slavery as was practiced in the Americas is a very recent phenomenon
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BRJohnson posted:As somebody who totally accepts the reality of white/male privilege, tries to educate themselves and understand the struggle of those who had such fewer opportunities than myself, and is vocal in a constructive way (or so I thought) about race/gender equality... what the gently caress? I understand anger against people that just tag along for some kind of superficial social-media points (is that what's going on here?), but these posts hardly seem constructive. I know just because 'racist Bob still makes friend of the family jokes' doesn't mean you should accept some half-assed "yeah racism is a bummer" sentiment, but this kind of poo poo is going to push away people who could just as easily become more educated in the fight for a better tomorrow. Just because somebody hasn't totally articulated their understanding and approach to these issues fully doesn't mean they never can, and I don't see how you could think an accusational tone of this degree is going to be constructive. If a few words on the internet is all it takes for one to do a complete 180 and not care anymore, then they might want to go back and reexamine how committed they were to anti-racism from the start.
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veni veni veni posted:As much as you want me to be. I am not offended, sorry. Tone doesn't matter in the context of a discussion, because it presupposes that this person will see the light if you just say the magical incantation in the right manner. The problem is that we have engaged people, people just ignore it. There are numerous anti-racism books since the the beginning of the 20th century. There is tons of information out there. On another note, I find it funny that people love to come in and say that people are anti-racisming improperly. There have been multiple venues of protest as Negromancer laid out with Colin Kaepernick. Guess what? People got hilariously mad about him silently protesting too. Fados posted:It sure as poo poo isn't usual for the ones with power to have a change of mind about their privileged position so yeah.. Also your argument comes real close to the one proposed by the 'white man's burden' one, no? You might want to relook at what the White Man's Burden actually was. But I see your point. It IS the white man's burden to civilize themselves.
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All that Malcolm X was promoting was that if you are attacked, then you have the right to defend yourself and that we needed to achieve equality by any means necessary. Also, Magneto promoted that Mutants were superior. I also hate X-men analogies because hell yeah I would love me some super mutant powers. We don't even get that and we are still discriminated against. The overall point is this, if people want to be allies, then they will be allies. None of this wishy washy bullshit that will probably erode the moment things go south. Neurolimal posted:I know you aren't talking about me (esp. Since I don't post in here often, let alone on charged topics), but I feel like theres a need to differentiate "this makes you look scary to me, effete white liberal" and "this tactic just doesn't work". This reads to me alot like Identity politics and how people shouldn't promote them.
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Neurolimal posted:Anyone can look bad when described by someone who hates them. I find this so tiresome because it's always people of color who get poo poo on in these deals and anytime white people aren't coddled, they bitch and moan about reverse racism. Hell, some see that minorities are getting a handout and suddenly they want to stop aid completely. It's part of the reason that I don't buy what Bernie Sanders was selling.
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420 Gank Mid posted:You can't let yourself get talked out of a good idea just because some white boys are gonna cry over it. I'm generally distrustful of any "rising tide lifts all boats" stuff.
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