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Hey everyone who feels like poo poo right now. Now's not the time to play the blame game, the Bernie-would-have-won game, and so on. You got other tools to fight with. Organize. Unionize. Demonstrate. Go on strike.
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Condiv posted:it starts with cleaning up the DNC from top to bottom Alright, so join the Democratic party, since you don't have much else as an alternative, and make it turn left. What I meant was that there are still other ways to participate, and other ways to defend yourself.
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Nov 9, 2016 10:37
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All right, time to get to work *pulls out death note*
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Nov 9, 2016 10:59
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BigglesSWE posted:Where the gently caress have you been? There's a whole ton of poo poo piling up. Get 'im done. Yeah well I was waiting for the most spectacular moment Donald Trump better watch out for a grand piano falling out of the sky on Jan 20th is all I'm saying
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Nov 9, 2016 11:03
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Goon Danton posted:Looking at this from the cold light of the morning, setting aside the shock and despair and the casting of blame, setting aside our fears about what will happen, what do we do now? Not "what do we do to prepare for 2020" or "what do we do to fight back in the midterms," but what do we do now? I'm trying to think of ways to mitigate the damage or help the people who will be hurt or even just cope with it psychologically, but I'm coming up empty. Get in a union, get involved in demonstrations and strikes. Donate to RAINN Volunteer for progressive causes If you're not already a registered Democrat, get in and wrest the party out of the hands of the right-wing
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Nov 9, 2016 12:07
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Go out and play Pokemon GO while lit as gently caress on weed
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Nov 9, 2016 12:08
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Yeah Clinton didn't lose because her anti-racist messaging was offensive to white working-class people. She lost because working-class people are giving up on the Democratic Party. Jacobin explains this with solid methodology
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Nov 9, 2016 20:11
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Kurr de la Cruz posted:The gently caress are you supposed to do when the only message that seems to resonate are "those dirty brown people took your jerbs!!"?? That's simply not true. Don't let the right-wing paint itself as the savior of the working class.
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Nov 9, 2016 21:04
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Thanks for explaining that Americans, and especially Americans of color, should ignore the racist garbage spewed by a racist piece of poo poo candidate, who has demonstrably emboldened racists. Maybe it is you who should take your own advice and stop posting itt right now.
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Nov 10, 2016 12:03
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Not a Step posted:Have you seen my red text? Someone disagreed with me so he spent Or maybe you are absurdly dismissive of what other people consider as offensive, and double down and defend your so-called jokes when your first reaction, when you offend someone, should be "Oh, poo poo, I'm sorry, I apologize". When you step on someone's foot, is your first reaction to say "Whoa, lighten up"?
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Nov 10, 2016 12:15
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to tell me to kill myself and my family. I'm not especially concerned about anything, but at the same time its hard to not assume people are absurdly serious about what I would otherwise consider to be jokes. Slip a 
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Nice piece of fish posted:Is that what your brain is telling you or what your gut is telling you? Or maybe that's just your anger talking. It's very hard to do anything but be angry when you're already angry, unfortunately. And it looks to me like a lot of very angry people exist in the US. I wonder what they are all so angry about? I'm not really angry anymore, or rather I am back to my normal background level of anger in re: American politics, but thanks for your concern. My gut isn't telling me much, other than I should go feed it right now, but I'm gonna ignore it right now. I'm not an American, and I'm also a bona-fide socialist in a socialist-light country that has forgotten pretty much everything about socialism. And I agree that economics matter a lot, and that a major concern of progressives should actually be progressive economics. Redistribution, safety nets, unemployment benefits, but also massive government spending and tighter controls on businesses and business practices. That DOES NOT preclude policies focusing on racial justice, be they in parallel to or included in economic policy. And it does not preclude fighting against racism. Working-class whites who voted for Trump, or didn't vote for Clinton, are not bothered by racism, and that is a fact. Many of them are outright racist. It does not mean that some of them, the ones who care least about race, wouldn't vote for a true progressive platform that would include racial justice. Because such a platform would benefit them, and these people are motivated by selfishness (and I'm saying this in the least judgemental way possible. There is sense in caring about only yourself and your immediate family, especially if you're living through hard times. But that does make you selfish, which is an antisocial behavior).
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Nov 10, 2016 12:34
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Not a Step posted:Eh. gently caress em. Not particularly sorry about upsetting someone on somethingawful dot com whose measured response was to tell me to go kill myself. And spend money on it too. Which I guess is good for the forums. If "gently caress em" and "not particularly sorry" is your response to people you gratuitously offend, you're probably not very nice.
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Nov 10, 2016 12:37
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steinrokkan posted:The fact, on which all socialism is fundamentally founded, is that for the proletariat, economic questions will trump all other issues 100% time, to the full extent, be it racism or anything else. This is the main strength of socialism, and also the major weakness of neoliberal moderates who have replaced the old school. Now, that axiom is not ABSOUTEY ALWAYS true, but it needs to be remembered as a rule of thumb if there is to be any hope. Social justice and class justice follow the same logic, which is the logic of resistance to oppression. Modern socialism takes different kinds of oppression into account. Not a Step posted:This poster is a racist piece of poo poo and needs to kill their entire family and themselves to save people of color. Note my use of the word "gratuitously".
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Nov 10, 2016 12:50
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Not a Step posted:loving lol. These people are often concerned about their entire towns fading into the dust, or their entire state slowly dying. I hope sneering elitists like you arent the future of the democratic party or the dems are fuuuuucked. Reading comprehension seems to be quite hard for you. steinrokkan posted:Modern socialism needs to take a lot of hints from old socialism. Namely that post-material concerns won't become widely popular in a population that has regressed back to trying to take control of basic poo poo. It really does. It doesn't need to abandon any of its worthwhile objectives, though. The elimination of racial injustices is one such worthwhile objectives. Wouldn't you agree? EDIT: I wouldn't call racism a post-material concern, though? It is very very material. Flowers For Algeria fucked around with this message at 12:56 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Nov 10, 2016 12:54
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Not a Step posted:Note my use of the words 'gently caress em'. I don't wonder why you won't join my crusade for economic, social and racial justice. I also edited my post because I realized that it was a joke that could be taken as an assholeish thing to say to steinrokkan, who does not actually sound like a liberal.
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Nov 10, 2016 12:58
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sumie posted:If the people bickering in this thread are what I can expect from our glorious socialist future we may as well go back to mercantilism. You can also expect Not A Step to end up in a gulag. No bickering. It would have been enough to convince a couple percent more people.
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Nov 10, 2016 13:04
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steinrokkan posted:Let's go one step further - if you put forward a candidate so inept she makes a racist enabler look good in comparison, and causes people to vote for racist enabling, you are also a racist enabler. Yeah, responsibility is shared. The degree is not the same, though. steinrokkan posted:It's a post material concern for the people who don't believe it concerns them. Otherwise, yes, those objectives are not in any sort of competition, but Democrats hosed up in selling their supposed goals in to each particular demographic in terms that pertain to them. That's all this has been about. Instead of trying to explain to a trailer park white trash from some tumbleweed town why he should care for inner city problems that he doesn't give a poo poo about, tell him how you are going to get his family into new jobs and get them a decent place to live. I agree with your first paragraph, but not with the second one. Apologies if I misrepresent your point, but "We'll really focus on solving social issues (racism, sexism, etc.) when all people feel economically safe enough" seems quite self-contradictory, and it postpones the solving of racial and gender issues to a nebulous future. All these issues must be addressed in the present. I don't believe that we need a consensus. We need a majority - the largest will be the best - but we only need a majority. And I'll wager that America actually has one! Not a Step posted:The National DNC abandoned Wisconsin unions during their recall battle with Scott Walker while the national RNC pumped millions into his campaign. The Democrats at the national level threw unions under the bus and let them rot, and everyone in the Rust Belt took notice. The Democrats absolutely earned the Rust Belt defection for being spineless shits. Yeah that's absolutely true.
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Nov 10, 2016 14:07
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Crowsbeak posted:Also Trump is racist? Guess what that unforonatley doesn't get people to vote, their natural interest does. It absolutely does, though. Many people were motivated to vote against him. I'd even argue that a lot of people who voted for Clinton actually voted against racism and sexism and their orange incarnation. It just wasn't enough.
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Nov 10, 2016 14:10
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steinrokkan posted:Yeah, I don't think those issues need to be postponed, what I mean is that now you can deal with social issues that don't undermine your majority and can be passed with the current level of social pervasiveness, and as more and more people become sympathetic with your methods, then you can sell more people on more radical reforms because they will feel on average safer and more comfortable. Now is not a time for a hard sell on social justice to the average Trumpist, but if you show them you care about them, they will come, and they will listen to more proposals. And the closer you get to a consensus, the closer you get to some approximation of a socialist plan, but that is for the long game, of course. All right, I don't think that we disagree. And I don't think that the elements of Clinton's program pertaining to race and gender were particularly repulsive to the average voter, too. Crowsbeak posted:Then work to actually appeal to the working class non voters interests. Guess what? Hillary didn't. This is what I've been arguing for the last two pages or so. VH4Ever posted:Anyone sitting around and waiting for someone else to do something, I'm sorry to say, deserves what they get. No more sitting on the sidelines. Your country needs you in the fight if you're opposed to what Trump and his ilk stand for, period. We no longer have the luxury of sitting around waiting. gently caress you if you think that people of color have been sitting on the sidelines. Double gently caress you for saying this to the face of Martha Stewart Undying who has probably done so much more about it than you have.
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Bad Decision Dino posted:The toxic rhetoric that racism and sexism is a choice people willingly make on daily basis is a major part of what lost you this election. The complete unwillingness to forgive or educate anyone who you disagree with is another. No. Not at all. Trump got less voters than Romney.
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Nov 10, 2016 14:33
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Goa Tse-tung posted:shoulda given tb that badge Is she gone?
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:she did you dumb poo poo To be honest she didn't really make a great show of it, and certainly didn't sound very believable.
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